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[Mr.House]

At least they got Mercer and Valerie(who are vas) so yay? Plus Todd for Sho.

[TheChris92]

Yeah, I'm taking solace in the fact that this will be the last game with these characters I'm playing before Persona 5.

Time to move on, as that one song goes from the Golden Animation- cha-******!

[Ozzy]

I don't know if it's just me but NewNaoto talks very fast. 

 

Don't even want to start with Igor and Margaret.

[Mr.House]

I don't know if it's just me but NewNaoto talks very fast. 

 

Don't even want to start with Igor and Margaret.

Eh, it makes sense why she's talking fast in that scene  considering what is going on there.

[Mr.House]

Yeah, I'm taking solace in the fact that this will be the last game with these characters I'm playing before Persona 5.

Time to move on, as that one song goes from the Golden Animation- cha-******!

Well Igor will probably be in P5

[TheChris92]

Well Igor will probably be in P5

Well, yeah.. but I guess we still don't know why his old actor was replaced.

[Saber Wolf]

The anime is terrible - Just play the games. I'm going to repost some of my earlier analysis' of the game's complexity in terms of its subject matter, themes and relationship between the time-scheduled gameplay and the underlying messages -- I can elaborate on that later if you wanna know my thoughts on it all. For now, here are some general praise on the enhanced golden edition of Persona 4.
http://www.giantbomb...e-making/88016/

Thanks for the heads up. And I do love reading stuff like what you mentiones. Would certainly love to read what you have to say on the games, if you find the time.

[AventuroLegendary]

The anime is terrible - Just play the games. 

 

Persona 3 had an anime?

 

*google search*

 

huh.

[Mr.House]

Saw the first Naoto vs Adachi match. Naoto just can't compete with his gun skills, she needs to go back to target practice.

[Mr.House]

So I decided to write down my thoughts on certain things from Ultimax. Do note it will be spoilers so only read if you don't care about spoilers, just want to hear a rant or if you have nothing better to do.

 

PS: It also concerns Persona 5

 

Spoiler

 

It's no secret that since the leak there has been a massive outburst from who the ME is, and for a good reason. Now while I don't have any issues with using Kagu(as the motive, background and why he came to be is explained well and works with what they wanted to tell and the connection to Izanagi and Izanami) the key issue is two things.

 

Personality

Abilities and powers

 

These two things are the bane of many fans and mine.The key issue is the personality is a 100% copy of Nyarl, literally. While in Arena ME gave hints that it could be Nyarl because of the little bit of personality we had, in ultimax, how he acts, talks(even the same bloody VA), thinks ect is a complete match to Nyarl, in every way. Atlus is normally very good when it comes to personality fitting the myth of the "gods" in their games. With Kagu, he was never clever, manipulative, a user ect. All these fit Nyarl from his own mythos and this is a issue. What the team did was create a new villain with a motive, a background(being the embodiment of anger) but then slapped an existing villains personality on him. It's made worse that he also has Nyarls abilities and powers from his mythos, not his own.

 

In Nocturne. Kagus abilities matched what little he had in his own myth, in here though he can fuse shadows together to create fake shadow selves, shape shift, he even bloody has the black butterfly symbol, which is Nyarls symbol. It be like if in P5 we see a blue butterfly but then it turns out to be a new character called Ed. If you want to make a new character, everything should be new. ME/Kagu is half-half to the point that it would have been better if it was just Nyarl as it would fit much better and not feel like just a cop out. I understand Hashino wants to not have alot of thing from Persona 1/2 out of respect and for his own focus, but what he did here was bs. It reeks of lazyness to just rip the personality, abilities even to his symbol of a beloved villain of the series to give it to a new character. The only way this can be really salvaged is if it's revealed nyarl used Kagu as a pawn(which could work as just as Philemon is still watching despite not being seen, Nyarl can still be scheming without The other issue is this, alot of things where left unanswered.

 

-We still have Door-Kun and Lizs quest, which she outright hints after you beat Kagu that she has an idea how to save him

-Shadow operatives and Naotos investigation, though the hints lead to the light novel of Naoto which possibly make that canon now which means Naoto can grow her hair pretty dam fast

-Sho is the big one. Not only does he have a key to teh velvet room, has a Persona now in the game files, the is referenced as P5HERO. This is not a good sign. I also have my own beef with this as I would have preferred that Yu failed to save Sho and this would torment him instead of another BONDS WILL ALWAYS FIX EVERYTHING BS

 

This stuff can't be covered in that dance game, so we know what's going to happen. Yes the fear is most likely going to come true. P5 will not be a new experience we where hoping. The file name for SHo plus how too many things for him are unanswered and the other two points point that Persona 5 will connect to Ultimax, now whatever this means the cast of P4/3 will be involved or only a few is of course speculation, but it's clear Ultimax is the bridge to P5. This is a shame because instead of this stuff, Ultimax was solid and had they used Nyarl it would have been better especially with how Yu and a certain loveable ******* teamed up to finish this case.

 

 

This is just my two cents, I know it's rare to see me rant this much on Persona

[Mr.House]

I'm not afraid to admit, my hype for Persona 5? It dropped, big time.

[Liamv2]

Woah that sounds bad. I'm not clicking the spoiler but can you tell me what exactly went wrong without spoilers?

[TheChris92]

Sho will not be the Persona 5 protagonist -- Atlus has before inserted fake hints or files into the games to troll those pillocks who find it intriguing enough to spoil themselves of future surprises. We are giving Atlus way too little credit here. The whole reason why these spin-offs exist is to say goodbye to Persona 3 & 4 -- It is provide what the different sections of the fanbase wants. Hashino said so himself. Those who want more content with the P3 & P4 cast will be able to do so with Ultimax and Q, whereas the rest will get Persona 5 and then there is the dance game. It was a deliberately strategy they planned ahead to ensure that most people get what they want.

 

The fact that Persona 5 will probably take place in the same universe as Persona 3 & 4 is not really news in of itself -- We knew this already. Atlus has said before that all the games are essentially canon and it should be taken with massive amounts of salt. I'd advice to stop trying to embrace whatever trash the GameFags like to spread around. Your post is seemingly just a repeat of opinions that have been stated by twats on that forum and we don't need that in this thread.

 

Play Persona 5 and then make a judgement for yourself instead of listening to twats. It's a bit related to the post I made yesterday on the Last of Us or Destiny thread. I also thought I made it clear that I'd prefer if nobody would post any spoilers in this thread even if you do tag 'em. 

[Liamv2]

Ah thanks Chris I was kind of worried there but it seems there was nothing to get stressed about.

[TheChris92]

Ah thanks Chris I was kind of worried there but it seems there was nothing to get stressed about.

Most of his rant is just disappointment on the story of Utlimax, which is something I suppose is possible. I said so myself. But however the game might turn out it isn't relevant in any way to the potential quality of Persona 5. Hashino's team is different and judging from their latest game, Catherine, they still got it going.

[Mr.House]

Spoiler

Sho has a key to the velvet room, Marge and Igors cryptic stuff at the start connect to ending, Shos story is not finished and he now has a persona. At the very least he will be heavily connected to the story of P5 and because he has access to the velvet room, this means his chances as protag is high unless we are going back to "whole party can enter the room"

 

The fact is this. Ultimax only closes things off for all the Persona 4 characters but Naoto. Shadow ops, Naoto, Sho, Liz, Door-Kun, all that is not finished and left very unanswered, what can we take from this? That Persona 5 will really be a whole new adventure despite all the above sticking out like a sore thumb? All the characters have the proper name in the files yet SHo is P5HERO? Why put MEs real name but create bs for Sho? It makes no sense, the evidence points that Sho will be the protag or will be connected to the plot. Hell, even Liz will be conencted which comes from Marges very cryptic comment to her in Ultimax along side the end.

[TheChris92]

Josh, stop with the spoilers already. I'm not going to read it.

[Liamv2]

Ah right I forgot about the different teams thing. Derp.

[TheChris92]

The recurring pattern of the Persona protagonist is related to the symbolic meaning of The Fool arcana. P3 and P4 MC's came as blank slates without memories (with no real prior established backgrounds, only a bit that was slowly revealed later, in somewhat similar fashion to that of KOTOR2). No bonds, no friends, no nothing. This is consistent with the way Igor described the Wild Card ability, "Empty, but with limitless possibilities." Sho would already have memories and know people, thus would have already formed bonds and so he wouldn't fit the idea. It isn't really any more difficult to understand than that. You're making rash pressumptions which is unrelated to Persona 5. Persona 4 Ultimax is the conclusion to Persona 3 & 4. If Sho is going to show up again then it'll be as a cameo, a mention, or something else. He is not the protagonist.

[Mr.House]

Most of his rant is just disappointment on the story of Utlimax, which is something I suppose is possible. I said so myself. But however the game might turn out it isn't relevant in any way to the potential quality of Persona 5. Hashino's team is different and judging from their latest game, Catherine, they still got it going.

I'm not disappointed in the story. In fact there is alot of things I liked about it, even after the fiasco with who ME is, the things that happen afterwards where very well done.

 

What I am disappointed is Hashino did something very lazy with one thing and how there is too many things that are too important left unanswered, along with a file name which I doubt is really them joking considering something very important tothe plot is not hidden with a goofy filename. If Persona 5 turns out to be something fresh with little connections to Ultimaxs story and it's a NEW story, I will be very happy. Right now though? I can't bring my self to have that hope.

[TheChris92]

I'm not disappointed in the story. In fact there is alot of things I liked about it, even after the fiasco with who ME is, the things that happen afterwards where very well done.

 

What I am disappointed is Hashino did something very lazy with one thing and how there is too many things that are too important left unanswered, along with a file name which I doubt is really them joking considering something very important tothe plot is not hidden with a goofy filename. If Persona 5 turns out to be something fresh with little connections to Ultimaxs story and it's a NEW story, I will be very happy. Right now though? I can't bring my self to have that hope.

He didn't develop the Arena series.

 

The data miner who leaked almost all of Ultimax found out that internal data within Ultimax calls Sho "P5HERO", which leads to the following possibilities:

#1 - The data miner is trolling the fanbase. As far as I know, noone else bothered to look for that particular file, so this might still be a thing. (Why are you trusting the word of some unknown anomaly on the internet? That's irrational thinking)
#2 - Atlus is trolling the fanbase. I wouldn't put this beyond them after the livestream from last year. Also, hiding information that is not directed at the game itself but at potential hackers within the game's data was already done by Atlus before. There was a message within P4's data that hackers shouldn't spoil the killer's identity.

[Liamv2]

 

Honestly it would be best to take a wait and see approach. Ultimax just came out today there is so much we don't know and any information we get has a high likelihood of being wrong or worse made up.

[TheChris92]

It is made up -- The fanbase are litterally getting themselves worked up over nothing but baseless presumptions due to their irrational 'hatred' of Atlus not talking about Persona 5 yet.

[Mr.House]

He didn't develop the Arena series.

 

The data miner who leaked almost all of Ultimax found out that internal data within Ultimax calls Sho "P5HERO", which leads to the following possibilities:

#1 - The data miner is trolling the fanbase. As far as I know, noone else bothered to look for that particular file, so this might still be a thing. (Why are you trusting the word of some unknown anomaly on the internet? That's irrational thinking)
#2 - Atlus is trolling the fanbase. I wouldn't put this beyond them after the livestream from last year. Also, hiding information that is not directed at the game itself but at potential hackers within the game's data was already done by Atlus before. There was a message within P4's data that hackers shouldn't spoil the killer's identity.

Then why not do that to the most important file name in the game, something people would look for and want to know? Better yet, if he was trolling, why not change that filename to something else which would ****** the fanbase alot more since this is something that was big. The outburst that has followed over this has shown this was something big so that would be something much better to change, no?

[TheChris92]

Then why not do that to the most important file name in the game, something people would look for and want to know? Better yet, if he was trolling, why not change that filename to something else which would ****** the fanbase alot more since this is something that was big. The outburst that has followed over this has shown this was something big so that would be something much better to change, no?

They actually did, but chose not to since it would probably get annoying to have that message appearing over and over again. This is the message in Persona 4.

 

Thank you for purchasing Persona 4.

Before you begin the game, we’d like to
ask you, the player, for a favor.

This game has several mystery-style
factors that involves finding the killer
behind a series of heinous murders.

Even if you yourself have any clues
about the criminal’s identity, please
keep them to yourself.

Your clues or theories may deprive
others of the fun of discovering the
story for themselves. Besides...

The truth you find...
...may not be the real truth.

 

 

He's doing this litterally to get people worked up -- Did you see that guy who spend all of that time making a fake Fallout 4 website, marketing stuff and banners? It was quite professionally done and quite an epic troll.