Regardless, mythology and religion has been a part of humanity since... uh, a long time. I'd imagine some mythological figures are common knowledge thanks to public schools and pop culture.
Then again, I'm not sure how much a Japanese teenager would know about, say, Orpheus and the like.
Never played P1 so didn't know that. Huh.
That's true... There aren't a lot of Egyptian gods in P4. Actually Anubis is the only one I can think of.
Isis(Yukaris UP and UP of Empress arcana in P4) , Anubis, Horus and Amon-Ra(which was the UP of the P1 protag)
Regardless, mythology and religion has been a part of humanity since... uh, a long time. I'd imagine some mythological figures are common knowledge thanks to public schools and pop culture.
Then again, I'm not sure how much a Japanese teenager would know about, say, Orpheus and the like.
But it's superficial, because Izanami is not really Izanami nor is Izanagi really Izanagi -- The only real meaning behind them taking form of these shapes lies in the underlying symbolic meaning. It really doesn't go deeper than that. It's all very Jungian, in regards to dreams and the collective unconscious that theorizes of shared thought processes. Myth is any different from folklore because it is but a different extension of fabricated fiction thought up by humanity.
Regardless, mythology and religion has been a part of humanity since... uh, a long time. I'd imagine some mythological figures are common knowledge thanks to public schools and pop culture.
Then again, I'm not sure how much a Japanese teenager would know about, say, Orpheus and the like.
Just remember the scene with Nyarl in IS with the Spear of Longinus.
"One hell of a strong rumour."
But it's superficial, because Izanami is not really Izanami nor is Izanagi really Izanagi -- The only real meaning behind them taking form of these shapes lies in the underlying symbolic meaning. It really doesn't go deeper than that. It's all very Jungian, in regards to dreams and the collective unconscious that theorizes of shared thought processes. Myth is any different from folklore because it is but a different extension of fabricated fiction thought up by humanity.
I'm misunderstanding your point. I'm not saying that the characters should idolize gods or anything, just that something like "Oh, my persona is a 'thunder god' who was worshiped thousands of years ago? I also saw a Disney movie with him in it. Neat." wouldn't be too far off.
I still laugh that no one in SEES heard of Nyx in myth.
I still laugh that no one in SEES heard of Nyx in myth.
To be fair, I was blissfully ignorant of anything that wasn't Zeus, Hercules, Kratos, Hera or anything else from the Odyssey when I was in High School.
Suppose it varies greatly from person to person depending on interest and education. I've personally spent a great deal of time about mythology and most of it in school which has come in handy for recognizing some names. Did have some fun knowing of Nyx but seeing the characters not knowing
I'm misunderstanding your point. I'm not saying that the characters should idolize gods or anything, just that something like "Oh, my persona is a thunder god who was worshiped thousands of years ago? I also saw a Disney movie with him in it. Neat." wouldn't be too far off.
But I don't think they need to outright acknowledge it like that because it seems unecessary. The point is that the shape of one's Persona is shaped by the ego. It is an archetype of the collective unconscious, something which we'd call a shared network between all of humanity. The Persona itself represents your public image. The word is, obviously, related to the word person and personality, and is derived from the latin word "mask". So the persona is the mask you put on before you show yourself to the outside world. Although it begins as an archetype, by the time we are finished realizing it, it is the part of us most distant from the collective unconscious. The reason why they take shape of myths, folklores and legends are due to the collective unconcious -- It can appear in dreams as a scarecrow, atramp, or as a desolate landscape, or as a social outcast. To be naked in a dream would symbolize a loss of persona. It's all symbolic and hence that's the reason why it's never truly acknowledged in the games. Symbolism is something that is implemented behind the outer layer to provide an underlying and depth and meaning to the game's design, not just in terms of the Personas, but the tone, music and level design.
It's usually something for the player to acknowledge and comprehend.
It's sort of the same reason why Silent Hill 2 doesn't outright have a character walk up to James and tell him why this town is trying to kill him, or why these monsters look the way they do.
Okay, I think I see your point. Having every character go "Oh yeah, I heard of my Persona in Lit class." can get annoying and redundant. Same thing with people constantly referencing zombie movies during a zombie apocalypse.
But, since Personas are part of the collective unconscious, that raises a question. Theoretically, does that mean we could see fictional characters from today as personas? Or do said fictional characters need to be actually worshiped?
Okay, I think I see your point. Having every character go "Oh yeah, I heard of my Persona in Lit class." can get annoying and redundant.
But, since Personas are part of the collective unconscious, that raises a question. Theoretically, does that mean we could see fictional characters from today as personas? Or do said fictional characters need to be actually worshiped?
The fact that Nyarl and other Lovecraft creations DO exist int he Persona world answers your question 
The fact that Nyarl and other Lovecraft creations DO exist int he Persona world answers your question
You never know. There could be groups of edgy teens worshiping Lovecraft mythos as we speak
But, since Personas are part of the collective unconscious, that raises a question. Theoretically, does that mean we could see fictional characters from today as personas? Or do said fictional characters need to be actually worshiped?
Look at Nyarl as an example -- He was a creature of litterature, namely Lovecraft. The answer should be self-explanatory.
Personas, Shadows, Anima & Animus, The Self, they are all part of the Ego found in all humans in accordance with writings of Jung and to some degree, Freud. It's safe to say that Shadows and Personas are the same thing but they are all shaped by the suppressed shared thoughts and emotions of mankind. It doesn't have to be folklore or myth.
Slenderman and Grumpy Cat confirmed as personas.
Pfft, Slenderman was just a wannabe Nyarl.
Get on Nyarls level m8
There were actually kids who stabbed a young girl as "tribute" to Slendy.
I'm scared.
Perhaps a consolation answer could be this -- Naoto makes an indirect reference to Jung's concepts of Personas and Shadows in Persona 4, when researching about the former and latter. I think that was a sufficient way of trying to subtlety allude to the symbolic meaning of their existence, but also the relation to humanity.
Naoto is such a giver. Such a nice gal.
Perhaps a consolation answer could be this -- Naoto makes an indirect reference to Jung's concepts of Personas and Shadows in Persona 4, when researching about the former and latter. I think that was a sufficient way of trying to subtlety allude to the symbolic meaning of their existence, but also the relation to humanity.
I think it's fine to establish that. Myths and religion obviously pertain to human cultures and psychology.
Forever Alone Guy represents repressed feelings of neglect and solitude.
Fine, YHVH is your starting persona and nobody likes you because you represent slavery, there.
GOTY
Fine, YHVH is your starting persona and nobody likes you because you represent slavery, there.
GOTY
So my persona is God?
Do I have that big of an ego?
So my persona is god?
Do I have that big of an ego?
Gotta break your chains!
YHVH represents the dick arcana too.
You get a OP version of Mara from it.
YHVH represents the dick arcana too.
What would it say about someone if their initial persona was Mara?
What would it say about someone if their initial persona was Mara?
FULL FEMALE PARTY OH YEAAAH
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