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[Former_Fiend]

So she's basically Morrigan 2.0.

 

Vivienne, allow me to introduce you to my bench. 

 

As someone who really likes Morrigan, I'm right there with you on Viv's spot on the team.

[Adaar the Unbound]

The way her and I will get along is if I change her mind on the Circle. I think her personality is quite coll besides that.

[daveliam]

As much as I love her, I'm a little sick of Viv at this point.

 

She still looks gorgeous and sounds ruthless and cuthroat.  I'm interested.

[Former_Fiend]

The way her and I will get along is if I change her mind on the Circle. I think her personality is quite coll besides that.

 

Weird thing is that her position regarding the Circle is literally the only thing I like about her; not because I necessarily agree with her, but because it makes perfect sense for her character.

[Ispan]

I know the Game and the Circle in general discourage sentimentality, but I wonder if Vivi was softer at some point in her life.  Was there a turning point for her?  A moment that hardened her to the world like Alistair and Leliana?

[Joe25]

I know the Game and the Circle in general discourage sentimentality, but I wonder if Vivi was softer at some point in her life.  Was there a turning point for her?  A moment that hardened her to the world like Alistair and Leliana?

Maybe. I'm guessing either someone died or she lost everything when her magic took root. Maybe, she was a noble before she was a mage. Or, her first spell killed some one she knew/loved. 

[Reznore57]

Her morals might be similar, but her views on what "Sentimentality" and "Survival" mean seem to be quite different. Vivienne seems to care far more about what other people think of her that Morrigan did. What she might view as a political move necessary for "survival" Morrigan might view as a complete waste of time.

 

And Vivienne is pro circle .

I guess she worked her way to have more freedom than most mages but still ...

If DHMG is a Tevinter magister , I wonder how those two will get along.

I mean if she's really ambitious , it's strange she isn't taking her chances on the mage rebellion.

It seems she value her survival a lot , and I don't blame her .

But I'm not sure I'm going to like her all that much if she's all " I've survived the Circle , I've survived the Game , and both time I came out on top so I see no reasons why things should change."

 

I'm going to play a mage on my first playthrough ,so I'm quite intrigued by the mage companions , and their view on the current mage situation.

[Sylvianus]

 

I mean if she's really ambitious , it's strange she isn't taking her chances on the mage rebellion.

 

Why is it strange ? The mage rebellion does appear chaotic and its outcome uncertain. I don't see how someone ambitious would think it would be the best for a better position. 

[Fiery Phoenix]

The way her and I will get along is if I change her mind on the Circle. I think her personality is quite coll besides that.

There is probably a good chance to get her to alter her views regarding stuff, but I don't imagine it would be quick/easy.

[Reznore57]

Why is it strange ? The mage rebellion does appear chaotic and its outcome uncertain. I don't see how someone ambitious would think it would be the best for a better position. 

 

Because mages have limited freedom ?And limited power?

It seems Vivienne was already on the top of the food chain.Her being a Enchanter at the court.

The mage rebellion is chaotic but it's like a once in a lifetime event .

[Former_Fiend]

Why is it strange ? The mage rebellion does appear chaotic and its outcome uncertain. I don't see how someone ambitious would think it would be the best for a better position. 

 

This.

 

Vivienne was able to maneuver herself into arguably the most powerful and influential position a mage can get in Thedas; court mage to the ruler of Orlais, and she did it within the confines of the circle system.

 

The Mage rebellion offers her no realistic opportunities for advancement and puts her current position in extreme jeopardy. Best case scenario is she breaks even, and then you've created a new system with rules she's not familiar with, that she may not be as adept at maneuvering, leaving her vulnerable to being usurped by someone else. 

[Former_Fiend]

Because mages have limited freedom ?And limited power?

It seems Vivienne was already on the top of the food chain.Her being a Enchanter at the court.

The mage rebellion is chaotic but it's like a once in a lifetime event .

 

Mages have limited freedom and power. Vivienne doesn't. Vivienne has more power and influence than 99% of Thedas, and the circle system is what allowed her to achieve that.

[Ispan]

I mean if she's really ambitious , it's strange she isn't taking her chances on the mage rebellion.

It seems she value her survival a lot , and I don't blame her .

 

The mage rebellion could be destroyed and rebels executed.  It could drag on forever and she'd live and die a fugitive.  It could succeed and have no governing structure, therefore no powerful positions.  It could succeed and have a governing structure that evenly distributes power.

 

Or she could try her hardest to return to the way things were when she was top dog.

[In Exile]

Because mages have limited freedom ?And limited power?

It seems Vivienne was already on the top of the food chain.Her being a Enchanter at the court.

The mage rebellion is chaotic but it's like a once in a lifetime event .

 

It's a once in a lifetime opportunity for a far crappier life than she already has right now. As a court Enchanter she's probably above nobles in the pecking order in the most powerful country in Thedas. Slumming it with the rest of the mages won't make her life better. Even if somehow the mages win out and get their own country, she'd have to slum it with them to build that country. 

[Joe25]

It's a once in a lifetime opportunity for a far crappier life than she already has right now. As a court Enchanter she's probably above nobles in the pecking order in the most powerful country in Thedas. Slumming it with the rest of the mages won't make her life better. Even if somehow the mages win out and get their own country, she'd have to slum it with them to build that country. 

When is it stated that she is an isolationest. I would have ever thought she would be partying with them. 

[Kimarous]

Vivienne: The Ambition. 

Says the woman who chooses function over form when it comes to her battle gear. "A thousand arrows would pierce her breast before Vivienne would don beaten steel for so base an urge as protection."

 

*sniffs* Anyone else smell hypocrisy?

[In Exile]

Says the woman who chooses function over form when it comes to her battle gear. "A thousand arrows would pierce her breast before Vivienne would don beaten steel for so base an urge as protection."

 

*sniffs* Anyone else smell hypocrisy?

 

Not at all. If survival to her is protecting her social position, then not wearing armour could easily be part of that, depending on what Olrlesian culture is like. Kind of how American society is crazy big on self-sufficiency, even when it's clearly self-destructive. 

[DontWakeTheBear]

Says the woman who chooses function over form when it comes to her battle gear. "A thousand arrows would pierce her breast before Vivienne would don beaten steel for so base an urge as protection."

 

*sniffs* Anyone else smell hypocrisy?

She's a high ranking Orlesian, it's better to die while playing the Game well than to lose face. As for hypocrisy...again, she's an Orlesian, who does hypocrisy better than them?

[Joe25]

She's a high ranking Orlesian, it's better to die while playing the Game well than to lose face. As for hypocrisy...again, she's an Orlesian, who does hypocrisy better than them?

Antiva. 

[DontWakeTheBear]

Antiva. 

Hmm, debatable. We've had limited exposure to Antivan people so it's hard to judge, but I think I still have to give the award to Orlesians.

[Dr. Doctor]

With the Civil War and the Mage-Templar War, Vivienne's lost a fair bit of what defines her. She's not Court Enchanter, the Court is in chaos and the Circle's been broken so being First Enchanter doesn't really mean anything. Falling that far has to sting, so Viv joins the Inquisition because they have the capital, military, and legitimacy to set everything back to the way it was.

 

She probably does have a soft, sentimental side but I agree with the thought that something in her past caused her to harden her heart. One thought that comes to mind is that she was an apostate in a noble family who got close to someone only to have that person throw her to the Templars for the sake of the Game?

[Joe25]

Hmm, debatable. We've had limited exposure to Antivan people so it's hard to judge, but I think I still have to give the award to Orlesians.

Didn't Antiva have a pig at one time on the throne, that was eaten in less than a month of his rule. I still think prize goes to Antiva.

[The Night Haunter]

Didn't Antiva have a pig at one time on the throne, that was eaten in less than a month of his rule. I still think prize goes to Antiva.

What? Where on earth did you get that from?

[Joe25]

What? Where on earth did you get that from?

Sorry wrong game. My Bad

[MattH]

I'd like to know why Vivienne wasn't at this peace summit between the mages and Templars. I can see her putting her duty to her empress before the plight of her people.