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[Ispan]

1) I was trying to make an indirect point about functionality over form (wearing sturdy armour is more effective than fashionable clothing).

2) I was trying to make a quasi-humorous end to the conversation, since I feel like it has run its course.

3) I think it best if we agree to disagree on the matter and end this train of thought.

 

Vivi is wearing a breastplate and what appear to be greaves, Solas is wearing rags and a piece of fur, and DHMG wears a cloth robe/tunic of some sort.  She's armored equally if not more than her mage "peers" (lol, she'd never call them her peers ) so while she prefers beautiful, formal, intricate pieces, there's still some functionality.  I still can't agree with her choice of shoes, but maybe she has ankles of steel.

[In Exile]

I personally dislike Viv because she is incredibly selfish - She doesn't join the mage rebellion only because she can gain more power for herself in the current system. That's why she politicked her way up to personal enchanter to the Empress. I'd like a character that doesn't join the rebellion because they actually believe in the circle, not because they care only about themselves.

 

Morrigan is distinct because she believes in survival of the fittest, not the most adept at politics. Viv manipulates the system, while Morrigan ignores the system.

 

I don't see why Viv has an obligation to slum it out in poverty, risk death and rape, when she's secured a good life for herself. It doesn't sound like she's doing it because she has more to gain, but rather because she has a lot more to lose. It's not as if the mages rebelled when the going was good - it was basically when they got to the "death is preferable" stage of crap treatment that they rebelled. 

 

I can fully understand a character putting a lot of caring into dress code when they're going to a social event or walking around going about your daily business but not when you go out looking to kill people. Those kind of characters drive me nuts in games and I'm hoping she isn't like that.

 

She's the first character who's actually genre savy. She's realized players often pick crappier armour because it looks cool, since she can't actually be hurt anyway.

[The Night Haunter]

I don't see why Viv has an obligation to slum it out in poverty, risk death and rape, when she's secured a good life for herself. It doesn't sound like she's doing it because she has more to gain, but rather because she has a lot more to lose. It's not as if the mages rebelled when the going was good - it was basically when they got to the "death is preferable" stage of crap treatment that they rebelled. 

I'm not saying she should be 'slummin it', nor am I particularly saying she should be supporting the mages or the chantry over the other. I am saying she should be supporting who she is supporting for the right reasons, not 'because it ends up with Viv having more political power'. She is out for herself only, and I don't like that.

[In Exile]

I'm not saying she should be 'slummin it', nor am I particularly saying she should be supporting the mages or the chantry over the other. I am saying she should be supporting who she is supporting for the right reasons, not 'because it ends up with Viv having more political power'. She is out for herself only, and I don't like that.

 

I think not having a crappy life is the right reason. I very much doubt 90%+ of the mages rebelling are doing it out of principle. They're doing it because they're beaten, assaulted, threatened with lobotomies... they aren't dying for principle or for their fellow mages. 

 

I'm sure there are people who are doing it for principle, but even IRL, while the masses might be led by people doing it on principle, the masses themselves aren't driven by it. 

 

Then again, I don't trust people who ostensibly aspire to these broad principles, so we might just differ here. 

[The Elder King]

Hate to bust your bubble, but how can she me Morrigan like if she supports the circle? Morrigan did not think much of the circle

It's about her personality. Her quote would fit Morrigan perfectly. In this, they seem similar.

[mikeymoonshine]

I personally dislike Viv because she is incredibly selfish - She doesn't join the mage rebellion only because she can gain more power for herself in the current system. That's why she politicked her way up to personal enchanter to the Empress. I'd like a character that doesn't join the rebellion because they actually believe in the circle, not because they care only about themselves.

 

Morrigan is distinct because she believes in survival of the fittest, not the most adept at politics. Viv manipulates the system, while Morrigan ignores the system.

 

Well there could be other reasons. maybe she believes the circle is better for all mages and not just her? The only Pro circle mage companion we have had is Wynne and she was pretty much as you are describing, I think it's better that Viv is different. 

 

Isabela was very selfish but she was still an interesting character and could develop in all kinds of ways based on how Hawke interacts with her. 

[RedRio]

Hi everyone, newbie here *waves*

 

I'm somewhat new to the Dragon Age fandom, only discovered the games last year. I've been lurking in the forum for months now and finally mustered the courage to activate my account this weekend because I'm SO pumped about E3! I'm super excited to see all the new characters in action and hear them speak and wanted to *squee* with fellow fans…..At least I did until Vivienne was "re-revealed" yesterday.

 

The dislike for a new character we know a handful of things about has skyrocketed in the past 24 hours. She already seemed to me to be the least popular of the new cast judging from what I've seen across the fandom plus the lack of activity in her own thread, despite lots of people declaring their love for her elsewhere on the forum. Her physical appearance, her fashion, her personality, her "Orlesian-ness" have all been questioned. The reaction has troubled me quite a bit. She doesn't have the strong fanbase that other controversial characters like Cullen and Solas have to offset the detractors.

 

I'm a big fan of DHMG, Solas and "Cole" as well. Yes, it was surprising and disappointing that none of them were revealed yesterday (at least give us a name for DHMG). But people are blaming Viv herself for stealing the spotlight and using that as yet another reason to hate her, as if it wasn't the folks at Bioware who make the decisions regarding character reveals.

 

I really want to be excited about E3! Let's all of us fans of Dragon Age Inquisition act like FANS. Can we put the Vivienne hate on hold for a few days?

[WildOrchid]

^Welcome!

I'm with you on this, i don't get the Viv hate either.

[AkiKishi]

 

The dislike for a new character we know a handful of things about has skyrocketed in the past 24 hours. She already seemed to me to be the least popular of the new cast judging from what I've seen across the fandom plus the lack of activity in her own thread, despite lots of people declaring their love for her elsewhere on the forum. Her physical appearance, her fashion, her personality, her "Orlesian-ness" have all been questioned. The reaction has troubled me quite a bit. She doesn't have the strong fanbase that other controversial characters like Cullen and Solas have to offset the detractors.

 

 

 

 

You can blame Bioware for that, they messed up big time there and the character is getting the flack. I think your misunderstanding a bit. She was revealed before so everyone was extremely disapointed to the say the least. They also used the same picture as before which added to that. 

 

That her obvious traits are negative does not really help either.

[Potato Cat]

I love Vivienne too, perhaps even more than Cullen. I'm ridiculously excited for her, and to hear whether or not she will be a romance option, (though I am almost sure she won't be, in favour of Scribbles and Sera, which has actually made me cry on several occasions). The only reasons I don't hang out here more often is Vivienne does not appear to have regular posters here, whereas Cullen does in his thread. Plus, I'm friends with my fellow Cullenites.

[mikeymoonshine]

The dislike for a new character we know a handful of things about has skyrocketed in the past 24 hours. She already seemed to me to be the least popular of the new cast judging from what I've seen across the fandom plus the lack of activity in her own thread, despite lots of people declaring their love for her elsewhere on the forum. Her physical appearance, her fashion, her personality, her "Orlesian-ness" have all been questioned. The reaction has troubled me quite a bit. She doesn't have the strong fanbase that other controversial characters like Cullen and Solas have to offset the detractors.

 

Well tbh up until now there has been a decent amount of positivity about her. It's just that allot of people seem to hate the whole politically manipulative/out for herself vibe Bioware is giving us about her. She is one of the three we have been told/shown the most about so revealing her after two new characters with a quote that's just more about her self preservation was a bad idea, in my opinion. 

 

Oh and yeah, most people here dislike anything Orleasian and mages are usually not the most popular characters either. I'm hoping it's mostly just a reaction and that everyone will calm down soon. 

 

I actually like what I have heard about her, she seems like an interesting character. I know some people want all the companions to be their best buds or to all be selfless heroes but I would rather have verity. 

[RedRio]

You can blame Bioware for that, they messed up big time there and the character is getting the flack. I think your misunderstanding a bit. She was revealed before so everyone was extremely disapointed to the say the least. They also used the same picture as before which added to that. 

 

That her obvious traits are negative does not really help either.

Don't get me wrong, I totally understand  the disappointment. Viv had a Follower Friday and we know a ton about her already while poor DHMG doesn't even have an official name yet. I'm a fan of him, Solas, "Cole" and Scribbles and am desperate for info like everyone else. I guess it just irked me that Viv's "spotlight stealing" was being used as yet another reason to dislike her.

 

Yeah, her personality is off-putting to some people and that's OK. Not faulting others for having a different opinion. I personally think she sounds like a badass and love her for it. Though considering I also love Cullen and Solas, I apparently have a thing for controversial characters 

 

Apologies if what I said came off as rude or ranting. I just want everyone to love each other 

 

^Welcome!

I'm with you on this, i don't get the Viv hate either.

Thanks for the welcome!

[jlb524]

I was happy with her 'reveal' yesterday.

 

Hey, I got new desktop wallpaper out of it.

[Milan92]

^Welcome!

I'm with you on this, i don't get the Viv hate either.

 

Its because she sounds like Morrigan 2.0. Its bit of a waste to have a companion again with the same personality as a previous one imo.

 

Now that is ofcourse the most shallow way of looking at it. But right now this is all we got. Hopefully we'll all get surprised during E3.

[WildOrchid]

^You don't know that, just because she said some lines that are 'similar' doesn't mean she has the same personality.

[RedRio]

Well tbh up until now there has been a decent amount of positivity about her. It's just that allot of people seem to hate the whole politically manipulative/out for herself vibe Bioware is giving us about her. She is one of the three we have been told/shown the most about so revealing her after two new characters with a quote that's just more about her self preservation was a bad idea, in my opinion. 

Understandable. I guess I was naively hoping that people would withhold forming such firm judgements about a character until we actually learn about her backstory in-game as I'm positive there's more to her than being a social climber. Me showing my newness...

[Crunchycarp]

Its because she sounds like Morrigan 2.0. Its bit of a waste to have a companion again with the same personality as a previous one imo.
 
Now that is ofcourse the most shallow way of looking at it. But right now this is all we got. Hopefully we'll all get surprised during E3.

How is she a Morrigan 2.0, their personalities are nothing alike.

[Milan92]

Like I said, its a very shallow way of looking at it. I'm not saying she does indeed have the same personality. Only that she is sounding alot like her.

[The Elder King]

From what I saw most the Vivienne 'hate' yesterday wasn't about her, but for the fact that people wanted to see a new character, not one who was already heavily featured. The same would've happened if they would've shown Cassandra or Varric.
There are people who dislike her, but that happens for every character.

[The Elder King]

^You don't know that, just because she said some lines that are 'similar' doesn't mean she has the same personality.

How is she a Morrigan 2.0, their personalities are nothing alike.

I'd agree that they're personalities could be different. We don't know enough to say they'll be similar.
Howewer, the quote (as well as her character blurb in the FF) shown that she's focused on her survival, and that she thinks sentimentality is unecessary, which is something she has in common with Morrigan.
There were, howewer, other traits of Vivienne that were hinted that makes her different from Morrigan.

[jlb524]

How is she a Morrigan 2.0, their personalities are nothing alike.

 

They agree on one thing I guess?

 

Though, Morrigan seems to hold that view mainly b/c Flemeth taught her this and always seemed naive/sheltered to me.  I thought it wasn't all that hard to get Morrigan to reconsider ("oh hey I got you a pretty mirror...could you be nicer?  kthxbai")

 

I'd say Vivienne comes about this belief of hers on a much different path and will seem quite different from Morrigan when we interact with her in game.  These are also her own conclusions she's drawing about the world from these experiences (which would mainly include growing up in the Circle) and not 'this is how Flemeth taught me to think/act'.

[Milan92]

I'd agree that they're personalities could be different. We don't know enough to say they'll be similar.
Howewer, the quote (as well as her character blurb in the FF) shown that she's focused on her survival, and that she thinks sentimentality is unecessary, which is something she has in common with Morrigan.
There were, howewer, other traits of Vivienne that were hinted that makes her different from Morrigan.

 

I hope so. I'm looking forward to how she'll turn out. It feels like she is gonna be the type of character I'll either love or hate.

[VelvetStraitjacket]

Who cares what the basic bitches think? Viv is awesome.

[Celtic Latino]

^Welcome!

I'm with you on this, i don't get the Viv hate either.

 

Because Viv is that fierce . I'm sure Viv gets plenty of haters in Thedas too

 

I liked the character since she was first leaked in a magazine. I love her appearance, the attitude, the fact she looks like an elegant bada*s, the extreme fashion, I'm pretty upbeat on her announcement in general. She definitely seems more interesting than most of the other characters thus far (then again, she's the only one who got a Follower Friday). Iron Bull seems to be your general Wrex/Black Whirlwind type, Blackwall your fatherly protective Warden-Paladin, Cassandra the leading lady trope (and honestly, not one who interests me in the slightest) ,and we all know Varric already. Vivienne strikes me at least as being unique and not a recycled character archetype (no hate on the others, but just saying Viv seems to be the most unique thus far. I could be dead wrong.).

 

As for her 'Meet the Heroes' quote, to me that can either confirm or deny a romance. Either that's her little quip to refute any romantic notions (though I'm sure like Aveline/Varric, you CAN flirt with her, she just turns you down) or, in combination with a Valentine's Day card released with her, that its part of her initial dialogue (rejects you at first but then falls for you). Male or female I'd LOVE for her to be an LI, and if she is indeed, first playthrough character/romance confirmed.

[WildOrchid]

I can understand the frustration, i didn't expect Viv to be the next one either because we already know her name and all.

 

 

But to 'hate' her because of bioware's decision to show her once again is... dull at best.