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[myahele]

I imagine Vivi wants a similar situation for mages that Neverre has?

The ability to advise/help nobles. A college for mages. Basically, a respectable role that circle approved mages can have.

[Sylvianus]

I'm not forgetting the valentine card given by Bioware. Cassandra got one and she became an LI ! So Vivi has still her chance too. 

 

 

[jlb524]

Name first Inqisitor 'Lucky'.

[godModeAlpha]

Here's an ideal scenario if I was Viv. She plays the hero mage, joins the inquisition and saves the day. Who knows, she might even be able to clinch the throne of Orlais in the process.

I like Viv well, somehow I can see her seizing power given the chance :-)

[mlgumm]

I can't see her ruling Orlais as an Empress, but I definitely see her ending the game in a position of power. Whether that be as head mage of the Inquisition Order (providing we don't disband post-game), or as Celene's advisor, or as First Enchanter of the reformed Circle, or as a noble, or as something else, I doubt she will end the game as a penniless apostate. She's worked too hard and come to far to allow herself to fall to that.

[Sylvianus]

Name first Inqisitor 'Lucky'.

 

 Hello kittie, I'm " Lucky " and your Valentine. 

 

Hope it will come true lol.

[Sylvianus]

I can't see her ruling Orlais as an Empress, but I definitely see her ending the game in a position of power. Whether that be as head mage of the Inquisition Order (providing we don't disband post-game), or as Celene's advisor, or as First Enchanter of the reformed Circle, or as a noble, or as something else, I doubt she will end the game as a penniless apostate. She's worked too hard and come to far to allow herself to fall to that.

 

I think it might depend of the playthrough with the inquisitor. If we help her or not with her own 'hidden' agenda. But like Isabela in DAII if we give her to the Qunari, I imagine that she could find her own way to survive ? XD As for ruling Orlais, never. A mage can't. 

[ThomasBlaine]

Magic is handy in defending yourself but it is not without it's limits. Templars are also specifically trained to fight mages and have the power to combat and defend against magic due to their lyrium consumption. We really don't know what demons will do in the physical world or what their goals are, maybe they will still want to poses people if so mages are still easier to poses. 

 

You know this whole "Vivienne would join the winning faction" is pure speculation on your part. We have the ability to get on the wrong side of every companion to the point that all but one of them leaves the party, I doubt that one will be Vivienne. If you do things she thoroughly disagrees with she will leave (or something) so why would she join a winning side she didn't agree with at all? 

 

Also you are completely ignoring the possible risks of joining a group like the Inquisition. What if they were shut down by someone, do you think that would not reflect badly on her at all in any circumstance? 

 

Why don't you just say "her former influences is negated because I say it is" because you really added nothing with that point. You don't know that it is not still intact so stop acting like you do.

 

"Vivienne is unreliable because I don't support the circle and she does for reasons I don't like" Again, completely meaningless and more about you than her. You don't know if she is reliable or not. 

 

No, but a coordinated army of apostates is pretty ******* close, and I never had any trouble taking on templars as a mage in the games. And yes, we do know. Previously, demons wanted to enter the physical world but couldn't except for through possession of mages. Now they can walk right in through open breaches. Ergo: they no longer need to possess mages to get into the physical world. It's kindergarden logic, and just because it hasn't been explicitly confirmed to be a factor yet doesn't make it any less sound.

 

It's not speculation, it's directly inferred from her description: "The important thing to her is that she is left standing at the end of her struggle for order." Literally: her main concern is her own survival, her own power base, and making sure that circumstances will allow her to maintain it if she can. If she's going to leave or betray us, it's going to be because our actions don't benefit her personally, not because she doesn't like us or because we're acting against her "ideals".

 

Those risks are minimal at best. If the group was shot down then she would go straight back to trying to stay afloat in the current Orlesian civil war, and even if anyone knew or cared that she'd briefly been involved with a group explicitly trying to stop the crisis, I don't see why it would impede her for any length of time. And the civil wars have thrown Orlais into chaos because that's what civil wars do. Sides are chosen and swapped all the time as one faction gains the upper hand over another, nobody in authority trusts one another, the fighting and lack of clear leadership throws the economy into the dumps, and the already over-taxed peasents not drafted into service are forced to hoard all the food they can get their hands on just to stay alive, leaving the major cities and trade hubs to starve and dry out without a constant flux of natural resources. I repeat, there is no way Vivienne still personally has any major pull in Orlais. What she has will be convient, yes, but that's about it.

 

You're missing the point, let me spell it out: People who manipulate and scam others for a living and openly prosper at the expense of others are very unlikely to be trustworthy, while people who don't are rather more likely to be. It's that simple.

 

One will need more than magic and swordplay - meaning other skills such as influence etc, would be required to build the inquisition.

 

Viv already has a leg up in this department, she'll be like a minister of foreign affairs.

 

Yes, she will be convenient for that. I'd think of her more as our Orlesian ambassador, though.

 

That's not what I said at all. And the Right of Annulment is not a decision carried out lightly or as indiscriminately as you insist on implying.

 

 

I'm sure there is some degree of fear involved. Fear of being a danger to those on the outside. Say what you will about the Templars, that doesn't change the history of Thedas which probably has more bearing on how Aequitarians think than your theory about rampant Stockholm Syndrome being at play.

 

 

No. My argument is that you need to stop oversimplifying the situation.

 

It might not have been what you thought you meant, no, but it's exactly what you said. Meredith and Eron were both sanctioned Knight-Commanders, one was unhinged long before the red lyrium got its hands on her and the other was cruel and vindictive, treating the mages like toys. Nobody ever reeled them in, and those are two of the three knight-commanders we've seen in action, and in two out of those same three cases it ended in disaster. Statistically, the chantry sucks at its job.

 

Ah, you think the peasent mage children who are taken from their homes care more about the history of the world and their inadverdent and dubious danger to people they're never allowed to meet than about the big, armed men threatening them with death and worse every single day of their lives, and sometimes following through just because they feel like it? That's cute.

 

Simplifying the situation? You mean putting it into perspective? Yes, I can see why that must be annoying.

 

 

BTW ThomasBlaine, Anaylys of your previous comments indicates that you are pro mage, and i can understand why you might have a problem with Viv. Shes a mage who supports the circle. You have previously mentioned that you disliked Wynne too.

 

Stop guessing at my feelings, it's rude and irrelevant and you quite simply don't know what you're talking about. And no, I'm not "pro mage", I'm pro sense and sensible government, and the Tevinter Imperium needs to go as much as the Circle system does. If things play out just right, the crisis with the Breaches and the mage-templar war could be the best thing that ever happened to Thedas in the long run, destabilizing both rotten institutions enough for the newly reinforced Inquisition to finally force them to reform.

 

I dislike that Wynne apparently made a lot of friends (hint hint) among the templars when she was young, and until Asunder used those connections to completely exempt herself from normal mage restrictions and then pretended that the system worked perfectly based on that, and it appears that Vivienne has done the exact same thing. I don't dislike them because they "disagree with me", I dislike them because they back their stances with melodramatics, hypocricy and bad logic hiding self-serving intentions instead of good arguments. At least Vivienne seems more or less honest with herself about her priorities instead of buying her own bullsh*t like Wynne did, but we won't know until the game comes out

[Sylvianus]

To be honest, it's really difficult to understand your point of view. That's why I stopped arguing with you, I'm not sure it would lead anywhere. Just don't recruit her, tell her to go to **** off, and I think you will be fine, since you already know she isn't trustworthy, reliable or whatever you like. Just forget her already. 

[AresKeith]

To be honest, it's really difficult to understand your point of view. That's why I stopped arguing with you, I'm not sure it would lead anywhere. Just don't recruit her, tell her to go to **** off, and I think you will be fine, since you already know she isn't trustworthy, reliable or whatever you like. Just forget her already. 

 

Yea, I have no idea what he's talking about anymore

[ThomasBlaine]

To be honest, it's really difficult to understand your point of view. That's why I stopped arguing with you, I'm not sure it would lead anywhere. Just don't recruit her, tell her to go to **** off, and I think you will be fine, since you already know she isn't trustworthy, reliable or whatever you like. Just forget her already. 

 

That'd just be pointless and moronic, she is an asset. If you won't take the time to wrap your head around my arguments or point out the flaws in my logic then I don't see what you have to complain about. Good luck with the game.

[AresKeith]

That'd just be pointless and moronic, she is an asset. If you won't take the time to wrap your head around my arguments or point out the flaws in my logic then I don't see what you have to complain about. Good luck with the game.

 

You say she's an asset but you consider her untrustworthy and unreliable and don't want anything to do with her 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

 I never had any trouble taking on templars as a mage in the games.

Just want to address this: The protagonists are not an accurate gauge for how tough something is. Abominations for example take several skilled Templars at least to take even one down. 

[ThomasBlaine]

You say she's an asset but you consider her untrustworthy and unreliable and don't want anything to do with her 

 

I'm not going to refrain from using her to my advantage just because she's unreliable and I don't like her, silly. I just won't waste time sucking up to her or helping her accomplish her own ends if the mission doesn't demand it, or trust her with anything unless it's already to her own benefit.

 

There is such a thing as practicality, you know. I may want to slit her throa-, ahem, I mean leave her behind and make do without her, and I do think that that's what she deserves, but saving the world by any means necessary sort of comes first. Same reason my Warden put up with Morrigan, when he wasn't infatuated with her, only I found Morrigan genuinely interesting and compelling as a character.

[Sylvianus]

SO, about Vivienne, that lovely woman we are all waiting ! 

 

 

 

Mary Kirby : She is allergic to Fereldan fashions. And there's nothing she dreads getting as a Wintersend present because she arranges for those privileged enough to see her for the holidays to select gifts for her from an approved list. Also her shoes are an amazing array of gold-encrusted boots made from rare animals, and possibly the skins of one or two of her political rivals.

 

Here a few lines that tells me I will love her. Why ? Basically she seems fun as hell ( she has already her own fans apparently ), very interesting, it seems we never had a character close to her. She's a also a mage, flexible, involved in politics, and important at the court of Orlais. We never had that before. Like I said, she's totally mystical to me. 

[Neesa]

It might not have been what you thought you meant, no, but it's exactly what you said.

 

 

Stop guessing at my feelings, it's rude and irrelevant and you quite simply don't know what you're talking about.

 

Oh the irony. You pretty much lost me at dumbing down the adults mentality to that of children. Have fun passing off your interpretations as fact though.

[ThomasBlaine]

Oh the irony. You pretty much lost me at dumbing down the adults mentality to that of children. Have fun passing off your interpretations as fact though.

 

You seem to have misunderstood the first quote, it was literally what you said, I just pointed out what a pathetic excuse it is in context. You also seem to have forgotten that mages grow up at the circles, they don't just spawn with a set of rational feelings about their situation. The constant fear of templars and their whims is all-pervasive throughout the upbringing of every single mage grown, and you don't think that that might be affecting their decisions to openly declare themselves malcontents or not while still at the mercy of those same templars when they grow up? If I was a circle mage, I'd sure as sh*t pretend to be an Aequitarian, and wear the t-shirt and wave the flag for good measure, at least in the open. Better a liar than Tranquil.

[Clockwork_Wings]

I'm not forgetting the valentine card given by Bioware. Cassandra got one and she became an LI ! So Vivi has still her chance too. 

 

 

Some have suspected the sarcasm indicates she won't be.  Then again, maybe the fans are lucky?  I'd kinda like her to be a romance.  My PCs tend to be a bit ambitious, romancing the future mother of the apocalypse, the future king of Ferelden, or getting nominated viscount (you know, before the chantry explodes).  I'd like a situation where the inquisitor can forge powerful alliances based cemented with marriage.  I won't always take it, but the inquisitor and Madame de Fer as a powercouple...scary.

[ThomasBlaine]

SO, about Vivienne, that lovely woman we are all waiting ! 

 

 

 

Mary Kirby : She is allergic to Fereldan fashions. And there's nothing she dreads getting as a Wintersend present because she arranges for those privileged enough to see her for the holidays to select gifts for her from an approved list. Also her shoes are an amazing array of gold-encrusted boots made from rare animals, and possibly the skins of one or two of her political rivals.

 

Here a few lines that tells me I will love her. Why ? Basically she seems fun as hell ( she has already her own fans apparently ), very interesting, it seems we never had a character close to her. She's a also a mage, flexible, involved in politics, and important at the court of Orlais. We never had that before. Like I said, she's totally mystical to me. 

 

Fun? Flexible? It says that she's picky about her guests and decides beforehand what gifts they're allowed to give her. That's just being a snob. And it's pretty obvious that she has a fanbase, you're one of her fans yourself. Gaider even comments that your adoration is completely irrational (admiring her for threatening to torch you). No arguments there.

[Potato Cat]

SO, about Vivienne, that lovely woman we are all waiting ! 
 

 
 
Mary Kirby : She is allergic to Fereldan fashions. And there's nothing she dreads getting as a Wintersend present because she arranges for those privileged enough to see her for the holidays to select gifts for her from an approved list. Also her shoes are an amazing array of gold-encrusted boots made from rare animals, and possibly the skins of one or two of her political rivals.
 
Here a few lines that tells me I will love her. Why ? Basically she seems fun as hell ( she has already her own fans apparently ), very interesting, it seems we never had a character close to her. She's a also a mage, flexible, involved in politics, and important at the court of Orlais. We never had that before. Like I said, she's totally mystical to me.

The fans Gaider speaks of are us. This conversation took place shortly after her announcement. But yes, I agree that she's probably one of the most interesting characters in Inquisition. I definitely want her as a romance more than any other character and I just can't wait to meet her fabulousness in game!

[Hellion Rex]

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[Nyeredzi]

Where do circle mages get the money to buy all this stuff?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Where do circle mages get the money to buy all this stuff?

They sell enchanted objects. 

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