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[Hellion Rex]

That was interesting. In the Dwarf demo the mages and Templars are fighting and then the inquisitor turns up and kills them all. He didn't seem to be on either side at that point.

I wonder if we can choose to pick a side or not to, prior to this part of the game. If not their could be several factions/groups of mages and templars who we will always oppose no matter what. Other that the Red Templars and the Venatori. The elf the Inquisitor spoke to seemed to be complaining that the templars were treating people badly and we know the mages were.

They said our goal is to solve the conflict in the region and it seemed like that particular conflict is centered around the mage v Templar war.

What I didn't understand was what the hell was a Tevinter magister doing in Redcliffe? Were the Venatori at all involved with the rebelling mages? If so, I'm most certainly gonna put down those guys with a vengeance.

[Cespar]

Wait, so what are we arguing?

Lol, I was just questioning that myself. But, I think you said her main focus was the mages, and I don't think that is her main focus.

 

Let's said we're debating, instead of arguing ;D. 

[AresKeith]

What I didn't understand was what the hell was a Tevinter magister doing in Redcliffe? Were the Venatori at all involved with the rebelling mages? If so, I'm most certainly gonna put down those guys with a vengeance.

Maybe they were hiding among the mage rebellion and using the chaos

Or maybe the mages are taking help where they can get it

[Divine Justinia V]

Lol, I was just questioning that myself. But, I think you said her main focus was the mages, and I don't think that is her main focus.

 

Let's said we're debating, instead of arguing ;D. 

 

oh! okay, lmfao I got reaaaally confused for a minute wow

 

What do you think her main focus is?

[Milan92]

oh! okay, lmfao I got reaaaally confused for a minute wow

 

What do you think her main focus is?

 

To spread her sense for fashion throughout all of thedas.

[Divine Justinia V]

To spread her sense for fashion throughout all of thedas.

 

milan pls

[LobselVith8]

Actually, in her FF introduction it was stated that she doesn't believe in the rebellion.

 

That's an issue for those of us who are interested in an alternative to the Chantry controlled Circles.  

 

I'd like to find out whether Vivienne is interested in working with the Inquisitor if the character is pursuing an alternative to the status quo that existed when the Chantry was in power, or if she's willing to go ahead and work towards the dissolution of the crisis with the Breach (even with a main character who has a goal that is in opposition to her own).

 

Other issues could come up as well, depending on the racial background of the main character. Is she going to have an issue with a heathen elf? Or be concerned that the leader of the organization is (from the appearance of the person) a Qunari? Will her Orlesian upbringing clash with someone with a dwarven caste?

 

I'm also curious to see if Vivienne shows any interest towards a Dalish or Tal-Vashoth mage protagonist, given the cultural differences in the use of magic, or if she would simply view the person as a maleficar (as Morrigan was by Alistair and Wynne for using non-Circle sanctioned magic). I'd like to find out more about Dalish and Tal-Vashoth culture and magic, and I can see her interest or wariness as a gateway to unlock those conversations.

 

Well, if all mages in the rebellion are acting like those in Redcliffe, I kind of understand why she won't join them.

 

I don't see why all the mage rebels would. I doubt the independent templars are behaving in the same fashion as the Red Templars, after all.

[The Elder King]

That's an issue for those of us who are interested in an alternative to the Chantry controlled Circles.  
 
I'd like to find out whether Vivienne is interested in working with the Inquisitor if the character is pursuing an alternative to the status quo that existed when the Chantry was in power, or if she's willing to go ahead and work towards the dissolution of the crisis with the Breach (even with a main character who has a goal that is in opposition to her own).
 
Other issues could come up as well, depending on the racial background of the main character. Is she going to have an issue with a heathen elf? Or be concerned that the leader of the organization is (from the appearance of the person) a Qunari? Will her Orlesian upbringing clash with someone with a dwarven caste?
 
I'm also curious to see if Vivienne shows any interest towards a Dalish or Tal-Vashoth mage protagonist, given the cultural differences in the use of magic, or if she would simply view the person as a maleficar (as Morrigan was by Alistair and Wynne for using non-Circle sanctioned magic). I'd like to find out more about Dalish and Tal-Vashoth culture and magic, and I can see her interest or wariness as a gateway to unlock those conversations.
 

 
I don't see why all the mage rebels would. I doubt the independent templars are behaving in the same fashion as the Red Templars, after all.

In the interviews it was stated she wanted to join the Inquisition because it's the only group dealing with the crap in Thedas.
Well, templars are stated to act in a way similar to the mages in Redcliffe, and they're not RT.
I'm not saying that all mages and normal templars will act as in Redcliffe, but it's better to be prepared. It's still a possibility.

[mikeymoonshine]

What I didn't understand was what the hell was a Tevinter magister doing in Redcliffe? Were the Venatori at all involved with the rebelling mages? If so, I'm most certainly gonna put down those guys with a vengeance.

 

We won't know till the game comes out I guess. It seems like the Venatori may have been involved with these mages at least. I doubt all the rebelling mages are involved with the Venetori though. 

 

Anyway this is getting a little off topic. 

[LobselVith8]

In the interviews it was stated she wanted to join the Inquisition because it's the only group dealing with the crap in Thedas.
Well, templars are stated to act in a way similar to the mages in Redcliffe, and they're not RT.
I'm not saying that all mages and normal templars will act as in Redcliffe, but it's better to be prepared. It's still a possibility.

 

If Vivienne is focusing on the Breach, then I'd guess she would work with a leader, even if he or she has an opposing ideology and goal than her own.

 

As an aside, I'm hoping the rebel mages and templars aren't devolving into villainous groups. I'd prefer three-dimensional leaders and characters with rational, legitimate reasons for their actions over black hat villains we can only defeat.

[The Elder King]

If Vivienne is focusing on the Breach, then I'd guess she would work with a leader, even if he or she has an opposing ideology and goal than her own.
 
As an aside, I'm hoping the rebel mages and templars aren't devolving into villainous groups. I'd prefer three-dimensional leaders and characters with rational, legitimate reasons for their actions over black hat villains we can only defeat.

You don't have to defeat them. The second part of the demo (with Dorian) is based on some branching decisions when you supported the mages, so you can support them. But both mages and templars in the hinterlands are...not good to the general population. A letter to Teagan stated that both mages and templars killed innocent people.
Granted, we'll see probably good guys in both sides, but we shouldn't expect the two groups to be completely good.

[godModeAlpha]

I don't think that is her main focus, since she is pro-circle.I think she is concerned about both sides, I mean if she only wants to help the mages, that wouldn't help establish a circle.

As much as I like Viv, I think Viv is concerned about Viv deep down, every other agenda is a means to an end.

Will still be in my party, maybe she will have a change of heart about her hidden agenda.

[LobselVith8]

You don't have to defeat them. The second part of the demo (with Dorian) is based on some branching decisions when you supported the mages, so you can support them. But both mages and templars in the hinterlands are...not good to the general population. A letter to Teagan stated that both mages and templars killed innocent people.
Granted, we'll see probably good guys in both sides, but we shouldn't expect the two groups to be completely good.

 

Good men and women among the mages and templars would be ideal; I'm not surprised there are bad apples on both sides, but I'm hoping it doesn't go overboard like it did in Dragon Age II.

 

As for the Hinterlands, I'm guessing the Dalish Boon isn't going to be acknowledged if there are still human settlements there. That's unfortunate for those players who chose the Dalish Boon.

[Fizzie Panda]

So what do we think her "true agenda" is? According to the companion trailer.

 

I know she wouldn't be plotting against the Inquisitor because quizzie is the only one doing something to stop the breach. Is it possible she could be working for Gaspard, or whatever that guy is who is against Celene? 

 

Or did Bioware over-dramatize it, and she's more along the lines of only out for herself, rather than helping people.

[LobselVith8]

So what do we think her "true agenda" is? According to the companion trailer.

 

I know she wouldn't be plotting against the Inquisitor because quizzie is the only one doing something to stop the breach. Is it possible she could be working for Gaspard, or whatever that guy is who is against Celene? 

 

Or did Bioware over-dramatize it, and she's more along the lines of only out for herself, rather than helping people.

 

It appears Vivienne is allied with Empress Celene, given the letter she sends out to the Nevarran ambassador. Whether she has some clandestine agenda or hidden alliance with another faction is anyone's guess at this point.

[godModeAlpha]

So what do we think her "true agenda" is? According to the companion trailer.
 
I know she wouldn't be plotting against the Inquisitor because quizzie is the only one doing something to stop the breach. Is it possible she could be working for Gaspard, or whatever that guy is who is against Celene? 
 
Or did Bioware over-dramatize it, and she's more along the lines of only out for herself, rather than helping people.

Oddly enough since she is close to Empress Celene I'd have expected her to be mentioned in at least the masked Empire book?

Doubt she is working with Gaspard, actually I hope not. I would imagine she is loyal to Empress Celene.

On the flip side one can also build a case, since she would not really let nothing stop her from her ambitions. She also dabbles in politics for sure, as is evidenced in her letter to the lesser noble, maybe it's a thing in Orlais where the game applies to everything.

Previously I speculated she could be gunning for the throne herself, as would every ambitious person be doing.

Would really like to know what her ambitions are, won't really call it a hidden agenda, since I have not had a chance to ask her, but I want to know.

[LobselVith8]

Oddly enough since she is close to Empress Celene I'd have expected her to be mentioned in at least the masked Empire book?

 

Vivienne is only given a brief mention in "The Masked Empire". It's easy to miss.

 

Previously I speculated she could be gunning for the throne herself, as would every ambitious person be doing.

 

As Vivienne is a mage, I don't think it's possible for her to be Empress (similar to the reason Anora gives to a mage protagonist who suggests becoming King at her side), although I suppose she could pull the strings for a weak leader, similar to the Hero of Ferelden being Chancellor with a weak Alistair on the throne.

[godModeAlpha]

Good men and women among the mages and templars would be ideal; I'm not surprised there are bad apples on both sides, but I'm hoping it doesn't go overboard like it did in Dragon Age II.
 
As for the Hinterlands, I'm guessing the Dalish Boon isn't going to be acknowledged if there are still human settlements there. That's unfortunate for those players who chose the Dalish Boon.

Like that she pro circle. Have always supported the circle, mainly because there is no alternative. Don't get me wrong, I think making mages tranquil is not right especially against their will. Meredith went overboard in DA 2. But then taking count of bad apples in DA 2 the mages had more rotten ones: Anders, Merril, the guy who murdered Hawkes relative* (spoiler ... Oops), and even enchanter Orsino.

The life of a mage is hard, and the temptation to use blood magic is always there, even Wynne was close to using it *(oops spoiler).

As Vivienne is pro circle I hope she does not dabble in dark magic. Or does she?

[godModeAlpha]

Vivienne is only given a brief mention in "The Masked Empire". It's easy to miss.
 

 
As Vivienne is a mage, I don't think it's possible for her to be Empress (similar to the reason Anora gives to a mage protagonist who suggests becoming King at her side), although I suppose she could pull the strings for a weak leader, similar to the Hero of Ferelden being Chancellor with a weak Alistair on the throne.

With the circle gone (does the chantry still exist), there is a chance to re write the law on this matter of a mage empress. In fact I'm surprised Vivienne did not end up in Tevinter, given that's where ambitious mages rule.

PS, I'll be checking out masked throne again.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

The reason I don't like her is lines like this:

 

[LobselVith8]

Like that she pro circle. Have always supported the circle, mainly because there is no alternative. Don't get me wrong, I think making mages tranquil is not right especially against their will. Meredith went overboard in DA 2. But then taking count of bad apples in DA 2 the mages had more rotten ones: Anders, Merril, the guy who murdered Hawkes relative* (spoiler ... Oops), and even enchanter Orsino.

 

I don't consider Merrill a bad apple; she came across as a good person to me. I think, overall, the depiction of mages and templars wasn't that good in Dragon Age II; the mage antagonists were psychotic, and the templar antagonists were sadistic. Orsino and Meredith fell flat as well, since they pretty much go off the deep end simply to be villainous antagonists, and I think Inquisition should avoid that. The characterization was too flat on both sides; I'm hoping for better this time around, with more fleshed out characters and leaders who we can interact with, and engage in dialogue and debate.

 

The life of a mage is hard, and the temptation to use blood magic is always there, even Wynne was close to using it *(oops spoiler).

As Vivienne is pro circle I hope she does not dabble in dark magic. Or does she?

 

I don't think Vivienne will, although we don't know too much about her at this point. It's why I've wondered if she will react negatively to the mage protagonist from another culture, since non-Circle sanctioned magic tends put the user in the categorization of a 'maleficar' by some (see: Morrigan).

 

With the circle gone (does the chantry still exist), there is a chance to re write the law on this matter of a mage empress. In fact I'm surprised Vivienne did not end up in Tevinter, given that's where ambitious mages rule.

PS, I'll be checking out masked throne again.

 

The Chantry seems to be fractured at the start of Inception (post-cataclysm). As for a mage ruling over non-mages, I don't think that will be possible. I'm thinking the player will be limited to either siding with Celene or Gaspard, and hopefully having a third option in helping the elves reclaim the Dales. I get the impression Vivienne has thrown her support with Celene, so that could be a source of friction and debate if the player wants to support another faction.

 

About Tevinter, Vivienne might have ended up as a slave, and it's why mages don't head en mass to the Imperium; Tevinter isn't exactly a mage utopia.

[SoSolaris]

The reason I don't like her is lines like this:

 

What exactly don't you like about that line? Is it because of the whole 'survival of the fittest' vibe? Not trying to be snarky, just honestly curious.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

What exactly don't you like about that line? Is it because of the whole 'survival of the fittest' vibe? Not trying to be snarky, just honestly curious.

Yes, or at least partly.

[godModeAlpha]

I don't consider Merrill a bad apple; she came across as a good person to me. I think, overall, the depiction of mages and templars wasn't that good in Dragon Age II; the mage antagonists were psychotic, and the templar antagonists were sadistic. Orsino and Meredith fell flat as well, since they pretty much go off the deep end simply to be villainous antagonists, and I think Inquisition should avoid that. The characterization was too flat on both sides; I'm hoping for better this time around, with more fleshed out characters and leaders who we can interact with, and engage in dialogue and debate.

 

 

I don't think Vivienne will, although we don't know too much about her at this point. It's why I've wondered if she will react negatively to the mage protagonist from another culture, since non-Circle sanctioned magic tends put the user in the categorization of a 'maleficar' by some (see: Morrigan).

 

 

The Chantry seems to be fractured at the start of Inception (post-cataclysm). As for a mage ruling over non-mages, I don't think that will be possible. I'm thinking the player will be limited to either siding with Celene or Gaspard, and hopefully having a third option in helping the elves reclaim the Dales. I get the impression Vivienne has thrown her support with Celene, so that could be a source of friction and debate if the player wants to support another faction.

 

About Tevinter, Vivienne might have ended up as a slave, and it's why mages don't head en mass to the Imperium; Tevinter isn't exactly a mage utopia.

 

Her reaction to a mage inquisitor would be interesting.

 

Are we talking about the same Tevinter? The one I know is a place ruled by mages: http://dragonage.wik...vinter_Imperium

[Battlebloodmage]

I wonder if there would be a mod for white Vivienne like with Isabella. So many people complain about her being ugly, but she's a really beautiful woman. The standard of beauty seems to be very conservative in video games world.