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[AkiKishi]

She's obviously evil , she stole Maleficants hat. 

[LobselVith8]

She's obviously evil , she stole Maleficants hat.

Seriously, the hat seems a bit reminiscent of Qunari horns, which is interesting for an Orlesian design.

As for Vivienne's political goals to restore the status quo of the Circles, I don't think my first character would agree with her, but to be truthful, that's pretty much the case with virtually everyone we know so far.

From what we know, the Inquisition seems to be filled with a plethora of Andrastians and Chantry members who likely aren't going to see eye to eye with a Dalish mage who views magic as a gift of the Creators, and believed in the elven gods. I don't see my Dalish having much in common with anyone (with the sole exception of stopping the Breach), but it could lead to some interesting discussions and debates.

[Hellion Rex]

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[mikeymoonshine]

Seriously, the hat seems a bit reminiscent of Qunari horns, which is interesting for an Orlesian design.

As for Vivienne's political goals to restore the status quo of the Circles, I don't think my first character would agree with her, but to be truthful, that's pretty much the case with virtually everyone we know so far.

From what we know, the Inquisition seems to be filled with a plethora of Andrastians and Chantry members who likely aren't going to see eye to eye with a Dalish mage who views magic as a gift of the Creators, and believed in the elven gods. I don't see my Dalish having much in common with anyone (with the sole exception of stopping the Breach), but it could lead to some interesting discussions and debates.

 

Viv's outfits all actually seem to have a bird theme. I think the hat is meant to be kinda like wings and I think her design was at least partially inspired by Maleficent. 

 

Well IB, Sera, Dorian, Varric and probably Solas are not Chantry members and I doubt any of them will be all that Andrastian. I wouldn't describe Cole or Blackwall that way either and we don't know about scribbles. 

 

A Dalish PC will always be an outsider to anyone who isn't Dalish. I am also playing a Dalish mage first and he probably wont even want to get involved in the Inquisiton. I wonder if we can refuse and be forced into it like we did in Origins?

[godModeAlpha]

Seriously, the hat seems a bit reminiscent of Qunari horns, which is interesting for an Orlesian design.

 

Maybe she will be race gated. Only likes the Qunari ... Joking 

[LobselVith8]

Viv's outfits all actually seem to have a bird theme. I think the hat is meant to be kinda like wings and I think her design was at least partially inspired by Maleficent.

I think I see what you mean.

Well IB, Sera, Dorian, Varric and probably Solas are not Chantry members and I doubt any of them will be all that Andrastian. I wouldn't describe Cole or Blackwall that way either and we don't know about scribbles.

I was thinking primarily of Cassandra and her soldiers, who seem to comprise the bulk of the initial organization. Cullen, Leliana, and possibly Scribbles, would apply as well to my initial comment. Given the historical antagonism between the Chantry and the Dalish, I'd imagine it would be odd to work so closely with them.

Varric may be the only exception to the initial group at it's inception, and the others among this moiety crew are apparently recruited along the way.

While Vivienne's (seeming) support of the Chantry controlled Circles is likely to be an issue of contention, I think it's likely there will be friction with all the companions on one matter or the other.

A Dalish PC will always be an outsider to anyone who isn't Dalish. I am also playing a Dalish mage first and he probably wont even want to get involved in the Inquisiton. I wonder if we can refuse and be forced into it like we did in Origins?

Ideally. I don't envision my elven mage being apprehensive about stopping the Breach, only in working with people from a group who have been enemies of the People for centuries.

[The Elder King]

Seriously, the hat seems a bit reminiscent of Qunari horns, which is interesting for an Orlesian design.
As for Vivienne's political goals to restore the status quo of the Circles, I don't think my first character would agree with her, but to be truthful, that's pretty much the case with virtually everyone we know so far.
From what we know, the Inquisition seems to be filled with a plethora of Andrastians and Chantry members who likely aren't going to see eye to eye with a Dalish mage who views magic as a gift of the Creators, and believed in the elven gods. I don't see my Dalish having much in common with anyone (with the sole exception of stopping the Breach), but it could lead to some interesting discussions and debates.

I don't see how being a dalish will be revelant to the purpose of the Inquisition though. The Inquisition is Chantry-based (in the sense that it'a formed by Chantry members), but their goal is to stop the Breach. Believing in other Gods isn't going to necessarily bother them.
I mean, Cassandra gets along with IB.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

One of the harder parts of having responsibility is not letting compassion dictate your actions. Doubly so when you are in a position of authority of groups: leaders who let immediate concerns and empathy dominate their policy are the ones who vindicate the saying 'the road to hell is paved with good intentions.' And that's without factoring in the adage of experience that 'sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind.'

 

Of course, without specific context this is all rather vague and nebulous. Considering how little we know about her and have seen her in practice, I honestly don't know what you're thinking of to claim what she 'seems' like. The letter slam to the ambassador?

 

I mean, sure, there are people who think the previous status quo was irredeemable and anyone who stands by it is immoral and irresponsible. I didn't think you were one of them, though, and short of that it would take knowing Vivienne's viewpoints and rationalizations to tell if she is acting with responsibility.

Not compassion, sentimentality. Compassion is a feeling of wanting to help someone who is sick, hungry, in trouble, etc. Sentimentality is being prompted by feelings. Seeing people as people, not merely numbers. Any leader who sees those they are trying to help as mere statistics shouldn't be leading. 

 

That, her quote I linked, the interview with her writer. There's a lot we can get a feel on her with. And so far I don't like her. 

 

The old system needs to change, yes. I understand that it was the best of a bad situation at the time it was implemented so can't blame the people who supported it, but times are a changing so the systems need to change with it. And as I said before, she may have redeeming features, but so far I haven't seen them. 

[Fizzie Panda]

At first I though Vivienne would be all serious and a big snobbish but after watching new trailer and reading new interviews I started to think that she is actually pretty fun, sarcastic and tricksterious
Can't wait to see her in action

Hahahaha especially since we meet her when she throws a party for us

[Dean_the_Young]

Maybe she will be race gated. Only likes the Qunari ... Joking 

 

Fortunately, I intend to play a Qunari just in case.

[TheChris92]

You poor, simple, fools -- Think you can destroy me?! The Mistress of all things FREEENCH!

[Divine Justinia V]

Which completely sucked. The only order I can permit is a new one.

 

Order is order

[LobselVith8]

I don't see how being a dalish will be revelant to the purpose of the Inquisition though. The Inquisition is Chantry-based (in the sense that it'a formed by Chantry members), but their goal is to stop the Breach. Believing in other Gods isn't going to necessarily bother them.
I mean, Cassandra gets along with IB.

I did say closing the Breach was likely going to be the area that my elven protagonist would reach a consensus with others (in terms of closing it, at least), but all I meant is that I see my character disagreeing with pretty much everyone.

The topic of the protagonist disagreeing with Vivienne on the Circles was brought up, and I simply found it a bit amusing because I see that being an issue with everyone. I see the culture of a Dalish elf shaping how my new main character informing how he views the world, various factions, and what's important to him.

Say it's an issue of magic and mages being free of the templars, helping the elves gain a homeland, focusing on recovering part of Arlathan or restoring a piece of the grand kingdom of the Dales, the issue of the elven religion being criminalized, or a myriad of other issues that might arise.

That's all I meant. I'm sure the background and race of the characters will also play a role in what they want, the things they hold dear, their moral and ethical boundaries, and what goals they think are or aren't worth pursuing. Vivienne, no doubt, has her own reasons for joining the Inquisitor.

[Cespar]

             If I was in a situation like this, my view would be the exact same as Vivienne. There is a civil war in Orlais, mages fighting templars, demons pouring out of the sky, and probably many more small things we don't know yet. I would feel like if I got attached to someone or something, and if that someone dies or If I lost that something, then at  the end of the day it would made me feel bad, and not try to make anymore connections during the time of war. You may say that you just need to get over it, but sometimes it isn't that easy to.

 

         So, maybe Vivienne takes pride in how she dresses, because that makes her feel better at the end of the day. I believe in someone having a shield up, because of what happen to them in the past, but every strong shield can be broken. So, I think that we can evidently tear down that wall, and meet the flower that Vivienne really is. 

[Divine Justinia V]

I just really love her lips

 

[Xilizhra]

Yes, it's all "she supports the things I don't like - she must be EEEEVIL!" rather than actually asking what it is about the Circle system that she supports, and why.

 

There's more to it than "she obviously wants to enslave all mages under the thumb of the Templars, under orders from a tyrannical Chantry because... she.... enjoys being enslaved herself? Or... she wants to be the biggest enslaved fish in the... enslavement pond?  ...I haven't thought this through have I?"

 

Well, she's not enslaved; she worked her way into a position of imperial power.

 

Truth be told, my dislike of her comes not only from that policy, but also her breathtaking snobbery and other glimpses of a thoroughly unpleasant personality, all of which has led me to being... less than charitable in my assumptions about her. However, whatever she happens to like about the Circle will, I think, either be salvageable by a new system or was a bad idea to begin with.

[Xilizhra]

It's a little sad that a lot of her fans consider her snobbishness, narcissism, and apparently-selfish personality to be "fabulous" or something.

Well, some people can pull some elements of that personality off well and still be likeable, such as Isabela. I personally think that Vivienne adds too many, though.

 

Although plenty of people have said something about how they're looking forward to having their Inquisitors clash with her.

[sandalisthemaker]

It's a little sad that a lot of her fans consider her snobbishness, narcissism, and apparently-selfish personality to be "fabulous" or something.

 

Not every character has to be a goody-two-shoes who cares about the poor and downtrodden. There will be companions who will have elements of this.

 

And there will be others who are more aggressive, pragmatic, and care more for themselves.  Variety and such.

 

And yes, she is most certainly FABULOUS. *finger snap*

[Xilizhra]

Not every character has to be a goody-two-shoes. I'm not saying that. Hell, Morrigan's my favorite character of Origins.

 

But I personally don't think qualities of snobbishness, brattiness, cattiness, and such things are "mega-fab" or "fabulous" or whatever. She's most certainly not fabulous, in my opinion.

Actually, I think it might be more a reference to her fashion sense, though I personally think it's venomously tacky.

[sandalisthemaker]

Not every character has to be a goody-two-shoes. I'm not saying that. Hell, Morrigan's my favorite character of Origins.

 

But I personally don't think qualities of snobbishness, brattiness, cattiness, and such things are "mega-fab" or "fabulous" or whatever. She's most certainly not fabulous, in my opinion.

 

She's fabulous because she worked hard to get where she is, she's fully confident in herself, and she's high fashion.

[Xilizhra]

She's fabulous because she worked hard to get where she is, she's fully confident in herself, and she's high fashion.

You know, there's a terribly long list of people who fit the first two qualities and are thoroughly horrible people... and as for those who fit all three, well, Godwin's Law awaits.

[sandalisthemaker]

You know, there's a terribly long list of people who fit the first two qualities and are thoroughly horrible people... and as for those who fit all three, well, Godwin's Law awaits.

 

I highly doubt Vivienne will be a 'thoroughly horrible' person with no redeeming qualities. 

 

Personally, she would have to do *a lot* to get me to dislike her, and even then, I would probably just end up thinking of her as fabulously evil.  

 

She's gonna have layers though, and some of her outward persona may end up being a facade, anyway. Who knows.