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[The Elder King]

Nope. Still believe in compromise.
If not possible, I'll choose the side which seems more moderate in goals and actions.

[In Exile]

That's about personal control and avoiding demon possession, not training oneself to kill.

 

Killing is actually really hard to do, but most games handwave this away. It's really only the modern military that has gotten anywhere close to a majority of troops being willing to kill other human beings. WWI-II #s were in the low 20s. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

The mages have barely started balancing the account of sin when compared to the actions of the Templar Order over the centuries.

And the Templars have barely started balancing the account of sin when compared to the actions of the Tevinter Imperium over the millennium. 

[Xilizhra]

And the Templars have barely started balancing the account of sin when compared to the actions of the Tevinter Imperium over the millennium. 

Templar Order=Same Templar Order that left the Chantry.

Tevinter Imperium=/=Andrastian Circles that left the Chantry.

[Zehealingman]

Fair enough.

Who is in favor of helping Vivienne burn the mage rebellion to the ground for their transgressions? All in favor say, "Aye".

 

Aye.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Templar Order=Same Templar Order that left the Chantry.

Tevinter Imperium=/=Andrastian Circles that left the Chantry.

True, but they are the same Circle mages that are devastating the Hinterlands at least and possibly allied with the Tevinter Venatori cult. 

[Cespar]

I wonder if the middle ground is backing up the chantry, because that's who I want to swear my allegiance to! I think the system of the circle is needed, especially with younger kids who won't know to control their magic, which could lead to destruction all over the place. Lol, I'm looking at you Wynne. But, I also think that the Templars need to give the mages space. I can't wait to see Vivienne's viewpoint on if the circle should go to the way it was or modify it a little. I hope the latter, because if not, I think Vivienne may clash on that subject, but hopefully their is a middle ground we can agree on. 

[Xilizhra]

True, but they are the same Circle mages that are devastating the Hinterlands at least and possibly allied with the Tevinter Venatori cult. 

Devastating the Hinterlands at approximately the same rate as the templars, in addition to seemingly focused on hiding (while paranoid about it), while the templars are engaged in constant search-and-destroy missions. In any case, I seriously doubt they're allied with the Venatori if the Order isn't allied with the Red Templars.

[Divine Justinia V]

ok but what about that face paint

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I wonder if the middle ground is backing up the chantry, because that's who I want to swear my allegiance to! I think the system of the circle is needed, especially with younger kids who won't know to control their magic, which could lead to destruction all over the place. Lol, I'm looking at you Wynne. But, I also think that the Templars need to give the mages space. I can't wait to see Vivienne's viewpoint on if the circle should go to the way it was or modify it a little. I hope the latter, because if not, I think Vivienne may clash on that subject, but hopefully their is a middle ground we can agree on. 

Indeed. The Circles have to exist in some capacity, even if just as like a Hogwarts or Jedi Academy thing with the Templars existing to deal with the bad mages and demons.

[Xilizhra]

I wonder if the middle ground is backing up the chantry, because that's who I want to swear my allegiance to! I think the system of the circle is needed, especially with younger kids who won't know to control their magic, which could lead to destruction all over the place. Lol, I'm looking at you Wynne. But, I also think that the Templars need to give the mages space. I can't wait to see Vivienne's viewpoint on if the circle should go to the way it was or modify it a little. I hope the latter, because if not, I think Vivienne may clash on that subject, but hopefully their is a middle ground we can agree on. 

I sincerely hope it's not. The Chantry's position is not the middle ground; it's one side, and the mages are on the other side. The templars are Chantry extremists like the Venatori are mage extremists.

[The Elder King]

ok but what about that face paint

The IB managed to convert her to the Qun .

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Oh, I have been told, mi amor

 

Do you think we'll get the option for her face paint?

Maybe. 

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I sincerely hope it's not. The Chantry's position is not the middle ground; it's one side, and the mages are on the other side. The templars are Chantry extremists like the Venatori are mage extremists.

 

No that's the Red Templars.

[The Elder King]

I sincerely hope it's not. The Chantry's position is not the middle ground; it's one side, and the mages are on the other side. The templars are Chantry extremists like the Venatori are mage extremists.

The info we have so far seems to make the RT the venatori counterpart. Regardless of what the Chantry is, the templars are opposed to the mages. It was before, it was in Asunder, it is in DAI.

[Divine Justinia V]

The IB managed to convert her to the Qun .

 

It looks good on her, the red especially

 

Maybe. 

 

Maybe?!!! Why not yes

[Xilizhra]

No that's the Red Templars.

The Red Templars don't even seem to have a political position, being random marauders, or so it seems. But I'll amend "Venatori" to "Tevinter" in that case.

 

 

The info we have so far seems to make the RT the venatori counterpart. Regardless of what the Chantry is, the templars are opposed to the mages. It was before, it was in Asunder, it is in DAI.

And opposed to Tevinter as well; the Chantry, too, has always been opposed to the mages.

[jlb524]

What do we know about the Venatori?

 

I just know...some of them were bein' bad in Redcliffe.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

They are a Tevinter cult of some kind.

[Cespar]

I sincerely hope it's not. The Chantry's position is not the middle ground; it's one side, and the mages are on the other side. The templars are Chantry extremists like the Venatori are mage extremists.

In Asunder, Divine Justinia V seem to actually care about the treatment of mages, and I don't believe she is the only one. Plus, the chantry at the beginning of inquisition, are trying to do something to establish the peace back with their meeting. So, in this game, the chantry might actually be the middle ground that wants to restore peace. They don't have the templars anymore, so basically they don't have anyone to defense them, which means them getting involve could result in their deaths, but they still try anyway. 

[The Elder King]

The Red Templars don't even seem to have a political position, being random marauders, or so it seems. But I'll amend "Venatori" to "Tevinter" in that case.
 
 

And opposed to Tevinter as well; the Chantry, too, has always been opposed to the mages.

Define opposed. The Chantry was never in his history enemy of a mage group other then the magisters: the Circle was established with an accord with the mages. Even now they seek a compromise with them instead of joining the templars.
I don't care how Tevinter and the Chantry are placed; it doesn't change the fact that the game seems to make the venatori and the RT the more extreme and villainous mage/templar faction, with mages and normal templars on the same level.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Maybe?!!! Why not yes

Because so far every time I've thought yes about something being in the game, it turned out to be no. 

 

 

And opposed to Tevinter as well; the Chantry, too, has always been opposed to the mages.

Um, they suggested the Circle system to the first Inquisition to stop the slaughter of the Mages. Also Justinia has been trying to help them by doing things such as figuring out how to reverse Tranquility, so no this line is factually false. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

In Asunder, Divine Justinia V seem to actually care about the treatment of mages, and I don't believe she is the only one. Plus, the chantry at the beginning of inquisition, are trying to do something to establish the peace back with their meeting. So, in this game, the chantry might actually be the middle ground that wants to restore peace. They don't have the templars anymore, so basically they don't have anyone to defense them, which means them getting involve could result in their deaths, but they still try anyway. 

They still have the Templars and Seekers who stayed loyal to the Chantry. 

[jlb524]

They are a Tevinter cult of some kind.

 

So not much is known yet.

 

Can't say I'll throw away my support for mages b/c of this.

[Xilizhra]

In Asunder, Divine Justinia V seem to actually care about the treatment of mages, and I don't believe she is the only one. Plus, the chantry at the beginning of inquisition, are trying to do something to establish the peace back with their meeting. So, in this game, the chantry might actually be the middle ground that wants to restore peace. They don't have the templars anymore, so basically they don't have anyone to defense them, which means them getting involve could result in their deaths, but they still try anyway. 

Obviously; they want their power back, and cannot maintain power in wartime with no army. Wanting peace is not nearly enough for me to believe in their good intentions.

 

 

Define opposed. The Chantry was never in his history enemy of a mage group other then the magisters: the Circle was established with an accord with the mages. Even now they seek a compromise with them instead of joining the templars.
I don't care how Tevinter and the Chantry are placed; it doesn't change the fact that the game seems to make the venatori and the RT the more extreme and villainous mage/templar faction, with mages and normal templars on the same level.

The Chantry has been the jailor of the mages for the entire history of the Circle; while there may have been a theoretical accord, the Chantry had leashed them even before the Circle and just used them in the Chantries themselves before then.

And the templars will never be on the same level as the mages, no matter how the game tries to obfuscate things. You cannot equate the victim and the victimizer in that manner; it's utterly deplorable.

 

 

Um, they suggested the Circle system to the first Inquisition to stop the slaughter of the Mages. Also Justinia has been trying to help them by doing things such as figuring out how to reverse Tranquility, so no this line is factually false. 

While maintaining the mages' imprisonment? It's a poisonous friendship at best. Additionally, the Circle was a concept that appeared only because the mages rebelled against the Chantry's original treatment of them; the Inquisition was independently leashed by the Chantry to create the templars and Seekers.