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They still have the Templars and Seekers who stayed loyal to the Chantry.
Not all of them, but yea they do have some people. But, they will have my inquisition to back them up. Don't worry Chantry, I got your back! And, come to think of it, but don't the remaining loyal templars and seekers became the inquisition soldiers?
Indeed. The Circles have to exist in some capacity, even if just as like a Hogwarts or Jedi Academy thing with the Templars existing to deal with the bad mages and demons.
A training school for mages is nothing like the Circle, though, which is 25% boarding school, and 75% prison.
Not all of them, but yea they do have some people. But, they will have my inquisition to back them up. Don't worry Chantry, I got your back! And, come to think of it, but don't the remaining loyal templars and seekers became the inquisition soldiers?
That is what is believed to happen, yes. Considering super loyal Templars like Cullen and the Hands of the Divine Cassandra and Leliana, so pretty much the most loyal of followers, join the Inquisition.
In Asunder, Divine Justinia V seem to actually care about the treatment of mages, and I don't believe she is the only one. Plus, the chantry at the beginning of inquisition, are trying to do something to establish the peace back with their meeting. So, in this game, the chantry might actually be the middle ground that wants to restore peace. They don't have the templars anymore, so basically they don't have anyone to defense them, which means them getting involve could result in their deaths, but they still try anyway.
Giving them fancier swag for their prisons and promising to cut down on the danger of sexual assault and rampant power-abuse isn't really a great opening salvo in a negotiation with the mages. They want to be part of society, and the Chantry doesn't seem to be open to that idea.
A training school for mages is nothing like the Circle, though, which is 25% boarding school, and 75% prison.
You contradict yourself. If it is nothing like it, then the percentage for boarding school should be 0%. 
I think that codex might've been retconnetted. I recall that in ten new timeline on the site the Nevarran Accord happened really close to the Chantry's formation. Or I'm remembering wrong.The Chantry has been the jailor of the mages for the entire history of the Circle; while there may have been a theoretical accord, the Chantry had leashed them even before the Circle and just used them in the Chantries themselves before then.
And the templars will never be on the same level as the mages, no matter how the game tries to obfuscate things. You cannot equate the victim and the victimizer in that manner; it's utterly deplorable.
I think that codex might've been retconnetted. I recall that in ten new timeline on the site the Nevarran Accord happened really close to the Chantry's formation. Or I'm remembering wrong.
The mages are now free of the Circle. Yes, the templars are hunting them, so they're the aggressor, but that doesn't change the fact that mages are acting in a terrible way. My 'equals' was referred to how they're acting in the world.
"Mages are acting in a terrible way" does not mean "the mage rebellion and Templar Order are moral equivalents." They may both be damaging to Redcliffe, but that isn't nearly the same thing.
I have a question, Xilizhra. Where would you want the children that are mages to learn how to control their spell? I mean I can see why you anti-circle, I mean who would want to be struck in one building all their life, that is basically prison. But, also parents of a mage child wouldn't want a random mage off the street to train with their kid, stranger danger, but that is where the circle comes into the picture. I think the circle should be like a school, you can come and go, but to do away with it forever…? No, I don't see the positive in doing something like that. Think of the children!
You contradict yourself. If it is nothing like it, then the percentage for boarding school should be 0%.
Not at all. I was thinking of training school as more akin to our current spend 8 hours a day schools, and not a boarding school.
"Mages are acting in a terrible way" does not mean "the mage rebellion and Templar Order are moral equivalents." They may both be damaging to Redcliffe, but that isn't nearly the same thing.
Yes, actually. That is exactly what it means. If both sides are doing the same things during the war, they are moral equivalents.
Giving them fancier swag for their prisons and promising to cut down on the danger of sexual assault and rampant power-abuse isn't really a great opening salvo in a negotiation with the mages. They want to be part of society, and the Chantry doesn't seem to be open to that idea.
They can be part of society once they stop killing dozens to hundreds of uninvolved civillians every time one of them has a temper tantrum
Ref- Zathrian, Connor, Uldred, Danarius, Anders, Merril or Marethari whichever one you would rather blame for getting their clan wiped, Quentin, Grace, Corypheus and a few dozen others
I have a question, Xilizhra. Where would you want the children that are mages to learn how to control their spell? I mean I can see why you anti-circle, I mean who would want to be struck in one building all their life, that is basically prison. But, also parents of a mage child wouldn't want a random mage off the street to train with their kid, stranger danger, but that is where the circle comes into the picture. I think the circle should be like a school, you can come and go, but to do away with it forever…? No, I don't see the positive in doing something like that. Think of the children!
They should be there at the Circle 24/7 until they pass their Harrowing. The Harrowing should be the "Okay, you can go outside now" test. Though the Templars should still check up on them occasionally, like a parole officer. Otherwise we'll have another Uldred, a Harrowed mage that fell to demons.
I think that codex might've been retconnetted. I recall that in ten new timeline on the site the Nevarran Accord happened really close to the Chantry's formation. Or I'm remembering wrong.
The mages are now free of the Circle. Yes, the templars are hunting them, so they're the aggressor, but that doesn't change the fact that mages are acting in a terrible way. My 'equals' was referred to how they're acting in the world.
I didn't talk about being morally equivalent: I said that Judging by the info we got Venatori and RT are acting in a similar way (more extreme and villainous), and the same can be said for mages and templars in the hinterlands."Mages are acting in a terrible way" does not mean "the mage rebellion and Templar Order are moral equivalents." They may both be damaging to Redcliffe, but that isn't nearly the same thing.
They can be part of society once they stop killing dozens to hundreds of uninvolved civillians every time one of them has a temper tantrum
Ref- Zathrian, Connor, Uldred, Danarius, Anders, Merril or Marethari whichever one you would rather blame for getting their clan wiped, Quentin, Grace, Corypheus and a few dozen others
You don't have to kill the clan, you know?
I have a question, Xilizhra. Where would you want the children that are mages to learn how to control their spell? I mean I can see why you anti-circle, I mean who would want to be struck in one building all their life, that is basically prison. But, also parents of a mage child wouldn't want a random mage off the street to train with their kid, stranger danger, but that is where the circle comes into the picture. I think the circle should be like a school, you can come and go, but to do away with it forever…? No, I don't see the positive in doing something like that. Think of the children!
That is a good point and largely irrelevant to the war. This isn't a war about whether mages should be protected from demons or not; it's one about whether the templars have the right to imprison and/or murder every last one of their ex-charges.
Yes, actually. That is exactly what it means. If both sides are doing the same things during the war, they are moral equivalents.
You presuppose that the entire mage rebellion is behind whatever happened in Redcliffe; additionally, the templars are the ones solely responsible for prosecuting the war and could stop anytime they liked.
I have a question, Xilizhra. Where would you want the children that are mages to learn how to control their spell? I mean I can see why you anti-circle, I mean who would want to be struck in one building all their life, that is basically prison. But, also parents of a mage child wouldn't want a random mage off the street to train with their kid, stranger danger, but that is where the circle comes into the picture. I think the circle should be like a school, you can come and go, but to do away with it forever…? No, I don't see the positive in doing something like that. Think of the children!
Nothing was stated, but they're saying that the choices in the previous games have an effect in DAI, so I guess we'll see some effects of the dalish/Magi boon.I think the "History of the Circle" codex addresses the inception of the Circle Towers, as opposed to the (Andrastian) Circle of Magi.
Helping the templars doesn't seem like a viable option for my character (although I'm sure that's not the case for pro-templar players, and I hope they can side with their favored faction). I'm genuinely curious what kind of conversations might ensue between my elven Inquisitor and Vivienne before her participation in the campaign; she must have questions about the direction of this organization.
Has it been addressed if the Hinterlands will address the Dalish Boon (with it being a sovereign elven state if the Dalish Warden performed the US or asked for the People to be given their own land), or has that gone the way of the Magi Boon, and players should just pretend that it never happened because the royal boon effectively means nothing?
Don't get me wrong. I'll still cut down the Templars ravaging the Hinterlands in a heartbeat. But I'm less willing to be sympathetic to the mages if they choose to ally themselves with the Venatori. Granted, it might be that the rebels only joined the Vens because of a choice you make earlier in the game.I sincerely hope it's not. The Chantry's position is not the middle ground; it's one side, and the mages are on the other side. The templars are Chantry extremists like the Venatori are mage extremists.
You presuppose that the entire mage rebellion is behind whatever happened in Redcliffe; additionally, the templars are the ones solely responsible for prosecuting the war and could stop anytime they liked.
Not at all. I am referring to all the destruction of homes we see clearly caused by mages(unless Templars can summon things like giant ice crystals now).
The mages started the war. That fact cannot be argued. The war started when the Circles were dissolved.
Nothing was stated, but they're saying that the choices in the previous games have an effect in DAI, so I guess we'll see some effects of the dalish/Magi boon.
But how though? I don't even think they could enforce the Magi boon. The Divine would just ignore it.I hope that's the case. I'm anxious to see the impact of my Surana Warden's choice to ask (publicly) for the emancipation of his people. It would be nice to see it being addressed now that the mages have their autonomy from the templars.
Perhaps Vivienne might even comment on it?
Possibly. It depends in what way it'll come up.I hope that's the case. I'm anxious to see the impact of my Surana Warden's choice to ask (publicly) for the emancipation of his people. It would be nice to see it being addressed now that the mages have their autonomy from the templars.
Perhaps Vivienne might even comment on it?
Not at all. I am referring to all the destruction of homes we see clearly caused by mages(unless Templars can summon things like giant ice crystals now).
The mages started the war. That fact cannot be argued. The war started when the Circles were dissolved.
No, the war did not start then. If you read Asunder, at the time of the Circle's secession from the Chantry, the Templar Order was not a separate body from the Chantry, but rather a subordinate. The Chantry could certainly consider the secession of the mages to be a casus belli, but vitally, they did not. The Chantry did not declare war on the Circle for seceding from it. Rather, the Templar Order then seceded from the Chantry in turn (incidentally giving the Chantry a casus belli against the Order as well) and declared war on the mages completely without provocation.
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