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[Divine Justinia V]

No one is pro-Templar anymore.

 

I'm sure that's not true.

[Divine Justinia V]

I'm anti-Templar myself, but I do know the Templars still have a huge fan support base.

 

Same and same. It's pretty absurd to assume otherwise, in Thedas or not.

[Xilizhra]

I dropped the work 'likely' after 'exceptionally.'

 

Demons are highly dangerous even as individuals. Going by lore, demons are still a 'need to mob' adversary, unlike gameplay's 'PC beats mobs'. The potential of a summoning cascade, or worse the corruption of other mages, is just more on top of that. The most dangerous abominations aren't the sort that immediately become homicidal- it's the ones that don't immediately become homicidal.

Which carries the implication that, in lore, there were barely any abominations in the Circle tower, if the Warden couldn't realistically kill as many as existed in-game... and I wonder if anyone's thought about that at Bioware. Hopefully. At any rate, I think that we'd need to see exactly how failed Harrowing subjects work out in reality if they were ever allowed to survive, and then work from there on what might be done to help them pass the next time. I don't think we can devise an ideal solution with our current paucity of information.

 

 

Not much to suggest it. Considering that her character profile indicates she turned the Court Enchanter position from a glorified jester to a position of real power and influence, I wouldn't be surprised if she views her actions as advancing Circle influence and interests in the field of politics.

It's possible. What I wonder now is even if she disagrees with the rebellion, can she work with it?

[Urazz]

Yeah, I think the Harrowing just serves to highlight the ones who are susceptible to possession.  In those cases it's usually those that are weak mages or newly awakened mages with little control over their power.  Those are the mages that will probably be possessed in a highly emotional situation unwillingly.

 

Of even normally strong mages can be susceptible to possession if given the right incentive or is broken down.

[Maria Caliban]

I'm anti-Templar myself, but I do know the Templars still have a huge fan support base.

Someone asked whether Vivienne is pro-Templar and you've decided my answer applies to the fanbase. Really?

I'm sure that's not true.

Okay, who is pro-Templar?

[Divine Justinia V]

Okay, who is pro-Templar?

 

On BSN or in Thedas?

[Dean_the_Young]

What does 'pro-Templar' even mean in this context? How is it distinguished from 'pro-Circle'?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

What does 'pro-Templar' even mean in this context? How is it distinguished from 'pro-Circle'?

Pro-Templar could mean those who agree that there needs to be a force trained to defend the world from magical threats.

Pro-Circle could mean those who agree that an institution should be set up to educate mages how to use their powers. 

[Xilizhra]

What does 'pro-Templar' even mean in this context? How is it distinguished from 'pro-Circle'?

"Pro-Circle" has a much wider range of possible meanings. Both Wynne and Rhys could be described as such, for instance, but in different ways. I use "pro-templar" because of its clearer implication: wanting the templars to win their war and reestablish the Circles on their own terms.

[Urazz]

I'm more in the middle on the Mage/Templar war.  I'm guessing Vivienne is as well and just wants the Circle system to remain in place (with some changes though I'm guessing).

[Maria Caliban]

What does 'pro-Templar' even mean in this context? How is it distinguished from 'pro-Circle'?

The Templars are a paramilitary group with no legitimate authority dedicated to killing mages. And that's before the red lyrium.

The Circle is a mage run origination based around teaching mages.

[Maria Caliban]

*conversation about Thedas and characters in Thedas*
"Do you think Vivienne is an atheist?"
"No one is an atheist."

Sweet lord, Maria said atheists don't exist! I could not possibly put her post into the larger context of the discussion or apply common sense, the woman just said that of the 7.5 billion people on earth, literally no one is an atheist.

[Vegeta 77]

Pro templars Greagoir maybe cullen,cass and many other templars 

[Hellion Rex]

Maria, Melkor, chill! Quit with the insults and take it to PMs

[mikeymoonshine]

The Templars are a paramilitary group with no legitimate authority dedicated to killing mages. And that's before the red lyrium.

The Circle is a mage run origination based around teaching mages.

 

TBF so was the first Inquisition. 

[Divine Justinia V]

There are still plenty of Pro-Templars in Thedas. Knight-Commanders, Seekers, probably mundanes. I'm not sure where anyone would get an idea that there isn't.

[godModeAlpha]

What have I walked into here ... Oh Vivienne causing more drama. Business as usual then.

[Han Shot First]

Templars? Mages?

 

 

Burn them. Burn them all.

[Dean_the_Young]

The Templars are a paramilitary group with no legitimate authority dedicated to killing mages. And that's before the red lyrium.

 

Legitimacy is a cultural concept. What makes a group legitimate to the people of Thedas?

[LobselVith8]

I really wonder why that phrase is quoted (more in the past to be honest), when Fiona seemed to understand that it wasn't probably the wisest thing to say (it seems to me that it was an impulsive reaction rather then her true opinions on her).

 

A variety of reasons. I didn't say it in a moment of seriousness, to be quite honest. Maybe things are a bit too tense at the moment in this thread, or tying from my phone may have caused something to be lost in translation.

 

Frankly, my point wasn't about mage autonomy being enforced by the kingdom or the Chantry, but about the idea of a hero promoting mage autonomy having an impact on the people and the individuals with magical ability. From a nearby Circle mage like Vivienne to the distant members of the Senate in the Imperium, I think this would have something of an impact, since the hero who ended the Fifth Blight is promoting an end to the status quo of the Circle.

[Cespar]

I think Inquisition is really going to bring out all the pro-whatever people. And, I'm hoping that they will, because I want to see all the different kinds of viewpoint, I may not agree with them, but still want to know. 

[LobselVith8]

Why do you think they have flocked to the Hinterlands in DAI? 

 

The Hinterlands is given to the Dalish if the Dalish Boon transpires, up to and including the ruins of Ostagar.

 

My Surana Warden asked for mage autonomy, so it's not something that impacts my canon run. Since the Hinterlands is a region that the Inquisitor will be visiting, I thought it might have an impact on the situation that's presented to us, unless the developers did something similar to the Magi Boon and basically handwaved it for the convenience of their current storyline (since Cullen went insane and there was no independent Circle established in Orzammar if the Hero of Ferelden asked for the Circle of Ferelden to be independent, and this was changed post-Origins to have the Chantry simply say no, without addressing why there were originally consequences to this choice).

 

I'm sure there's more to Vivienne than the mage issue, so she might have some commentary if the Hinterlands is Dalish land for those players who had their Hero of Ferelden ask for the Dalish to be given their own land. Or it might come up in the Dales, if the Dalish Inquisitor can help topple the Orlesian regime and restore the region to elven control.