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[AresKeith]

I'm more in the middle on the Mage/Templar war.  I'm guessing Vivienne is as well and just wants the Circle system to remain in place (with some changes though I'm guessing).

 

I'm sure Vivienne herself would want some changes

[The Elder King]

Pro templars Greagoir maybe cullen,cass and many other templars

  
Doubtful on Cullen. I think it's more likely he's pro-Chantry or pro-Circle.

A variety of reasons. I didn't say it in a moment of seriousness, to be quite honest. Maybe things are a bit too tense at the moment in this thread, or tying from my phone may have caused something to be lost in translation.
 
Frankly, my point wasn't about mage autonomy being enforced by the kingdom or the Chantry, but about the idea of a hero promoting mage autonomy having an impact on the people and the individuals with magical ability. From a nearby Circle mage like Vivienne to the distant members of the Senate in the Imperium, I think this would have something of an impact, since the hero who ended the Fifth Blight is promoting an end to the status quo of the Circle.

Oh, don't worry, I wasn't angry or anything. It's just something I was wondering for a long time, but always forgot to ask about.

[Sylvianus]

Oh, I have been told, mi amor

 

Do you think we'll get the option for her face paint?

 

Yes I think so Div'. Look : 

 

 

 

 

This is the same outfit in game. Vivienne has her face paint. So it's very likely we'll get the same with the other outfit too, whit the red face paint. 

 

Also :

 

 

In this pic, in the small icon we can see Vivienne' face. What is she wearing ? Is it supposed to be her casual clothes ?

 

And for the fun, I show this picture too, I love the icon of Dorian half hidden behind his coat : 

 

[godModeAlpha]

Yes I think so Div'. Look : 
 
 
This is the same outfit in game. Vivienne has her face paint. So it's very likely we'll get the same with the other outfit too, whit the red face paint. 
 
Also :
 
 
In this pic, in the small icon we can see Vivienne' face. What is she wearing ? Is it supposed to be her casual clothes ?
 
And for the fun, I show this picture too, I love the icon of Dorian half hidden behind his coat : 

I think the first paint is actually an Orlesian mask. Although I think face paint will be nice.

They seem to be playing around with the icons, but I think she is wearing something like this in the icon:
 

[Rel Fexive]

I know there's gameplay/story segregation, but it feels like DA II showed us dozens of mages who became abominations the moment they were put in danger. Not to mention Orsino turning himself into some sort of demon, blood magicy monster.

 

Another issue coming from gameplay/story segregation is the sense I get from playing a mage Champion that Hawke never appears to be at risk from that sort of demonic influence.  I sort of headcanon it as good training from Malcolm and self-discipline, and then wonder why all the other mages can't just exert some self-control and develop a better sense of personal responsibility.  I suspect that is probably the biggest failure of the Circle system...

 

Though, to be more on-topic... is Vivienne actually pro-templar?

 

This leads on to....

 

The Templars are a paramilitary group with no legitimate authority dedicated to killing mages. And that's before the red lyrium.

The Circle is a mage run origination based around teaching mages.

 

The trouble is, both of these definitions are not wholly correct.  In principle and for idealists, I think it it should probably be:

• The Templars are a paramilitary group, given authority by the Chantry to (i) police mages in the Circles to protect the common folk from mages, protect mages against the common folk, and protect mages from themselves; and (ii) track down rogue mages, especially those who cause trouble, and deal with them as appropriate.  This could be as simple as taking an apostate (back) to a Circle to be properly inducted (back) into the system, up to taking down a dangerous maleficar.
• The Circle is a mage run origination based around teaching mages to control their powers and be responsible for them and their actions.

But what it often turns out to be is:

• The Templars are a paramilitary group of institutional mage-haters, barely reigned in by the Chantry (and now out of their control entirely), who treat all mages like criminals and monsters to be guarded closely with no thought to what their paranoia and hatred might do to their charges.  They cruelly punish even the slightest hint of resistance which only makes things worse.
• The Circle is a prison for mages where mages learn to control their powers but also to fear them, and to fear Templars. This imprisonment results in political wrangling that only rarely changes their predicament by tiny degrees, and breeds frustration at this state of affairs that can lead to making bad decisions involving dangerous practices that only reinforce the Templar view of mages and makes things even worse for everyone.

And that's obviously a serious problem.  Worse, this enforced low self-esteem may even contribute to making mages more susceptible to making bad decisions and accepting deals with demons... if they felt better about themselves, and had more control over their lives (or at least felt like they did), would they feel so compelled to seek out forbidden magic and demonic assistance entrapment?

 

 

 

 

This isn't much about Vivienne, actually, is it?

[Gervaise]

Vivienne may not be against mages being organised and policed in some way but it occurred to me that she could have been behind the Divine's determination to research Tranquility and introduce reform.     You get the feeling that she would need some sort of incentive or persuasion to get her started.  May be it came from Wynne but it is also entirely possible Madame de Fer had also been making representations behind the scenes.   One thing that has puzzled me.   Where was Vivienne during the events of Asunder?     Not with Celene and not with Gaspard.     She wasn't at the ball where an attempt was made on the Divine's life.   She wasn't at the meeting of First Enchanters at the White Spire, although I suppose technically she isn't one, but you'd think she'd be there as a senior figure from Court who was known to be loyal to the Circle system.    Did she suspect that Fiona might be out to cause trouble and so wanted to distance herself from it?    There is just one mention of her in Masked Empire.     I can understand Morrigan not being visible since, as an apostate, Celene would keep her very much behind the scenes but Vivienne is the official mage to the Court.   I can only think that she had made it clear she did not intend attending official functions unless her skills were actually needed.  

[Naktis]

Since I still think she prob be the one left out of romance choice....

 

OMG THAT'S RACIST! we cant get her as LI only coz she is black ?! dat was JOKE  btw

[LobselVith8]

Since I still think she prob be the one left out of romance choice....

 

I get the impression Varric or Blackwall might not be romantic options, rather than the First Enchanter of Orlais. What makes you think she won't be an option?

[Rel Fexive]

Vivienne may not be against mages being organised and policed in some way but it occurred to me that she could have been behind the Divine's determination to research Tranquility and introduce reform.     You get the feeling that she would need some sort of incentive or persuasion to get her started.  May be it came from Wynne but it is also entirely possible Madame de Fer had also been making representations behind the scenes.   One thing that has puzzled me.   Where was Vivienne during the events of Asunder?     Not with Celene and not with Gaspard.     She wasn't at the ball where an attempt was made on the Divine's life.   She wasn't at the meeting of First Enchanters at the White Spire, although I suppose technically she isn't one, but you'd think she'd be there as a senior figure from Court who was known to be loyal to the Circle system.    Did she suspect that Fiona might be out to cause trouble and so wanted to distance herself from it?    There is just one mention of her in Masked Empire.     I can understand Morrigan not being visible since, as an apostate, Celene would keep her very much behind the scenes but Vivienne is the official mage to the Court.   I can only think that she had made it clear she did not intend attending official functions unless her skills were actually needed.  

It's an interesting question, since The Masked Empire suggests Vivienne arranges the ball for the Divine.

 

I think it's just a matter of the writers of the books following strict instructions to steer clear of including companion characters.  It doesn't help explain it in-universe but maybe we'll hear about it in the game...?

[Hellion Rex]

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[Naktis]

I get the impression Varric or Blackwall might not be romantic options, rather than the First Enchanter of Orlais. What makes you think she won't be an option?

 

I think she will be left out coz she is kinda high post first enchanter. After all ends she will be forced to return to her job or else..hunting time for templars But I was also 99% sure she will be lesbian option only and was wrong. Second reason is..some female gotta end up left out as LI. Sera , Cassandra already confirmed as LI , Leliana confirmed as not LI. So what lets Scribbles and Vivi. And Cullen as single non party member LI would be strange. Also I think Scribbles story if not LI would be even less important/interesting.

 

Or who knows maybe all females are pimps and LI possible..since there less female then males

[Divine Justinia V]

Since I still think she prob be the one left out of romance choice....

 

I will be annoyed if there is only 2 female LIs and buckets of male LIs

[In Exile]

I think she will be left out coz she is kinda high post first enchanter. After all ends she will be forced to return to her job or else..hunting time for templars But I was also 99% sure she will be lesbian option only and was wrong. Second reason is..some female gotta end up left out as LI. Sera , Cassandra already confirmed as LI , Leliana confirmed as not LI. So what lets Scribbles and Vivi. And Cullen as single non party member LI would be strange. Also I think Scribbles story if not LI would be even less important/interesting.

 

Or who knows maybe all females are pimps and LI possible..since there less female then males

 

Having only 2 female LIs and a bunch of male LIs would be a very, very radical shift from anything Bioware's ever done in the past. 

[LobselVith8]

I will be annoyed if there is only 2 female LIs and buckets of male LIs

 

How do you think a romance with Vivienne might play out?

[Feybrad]

How do you think a romance with Vivienne might play out?

 

She's been described as an "Ice Queen", so that's a Start where we could dig up a Bucketload of Tropes from TvTropes regarding a possible Romance Arc.

[jlb524]

I think she will be left out coz she is kinda high post first enchanter. After all ends she will be forced to return to her job or else..hunting time for templars But I was also 99% sure she will be lesbian option only and was wrong. Second reason is..some female gotta end up left out as LI. Sera , Cassandra already confirmed as LI , Leliana confirmed as not LI. So what lets Scribbles and Vivi. And Cullen as single non party member LI would be strange. Also I think Scribbles story if not LI would be even less important/interesting.

 

I think Vivienne's chances went up when Sera was announced as female only and race-gating was confirmed.

 

They don't have to leave one female out.  Though, not all females would be available to your gender regardless.

[Divine Justinia V]

How do you think a romance with Vivienne might play out?

 

Imo she'd be human only, possibly, and straight.

[Sylvianus]

I think Vivienne if straight, could be available to dwarves too. They have a good relationship with Orlais, and it never was implied that it could be scandalous to be with one of them, as it happens currently with a knife ear. 

 

If she was human only, then she would be BI in my opinion, because otherwise that would make too many restrictions. Unless Cassandra and Scribe girl if they were both Lis would be open to everyone. 

[Divine Justinia V]

 If she was human only, then she would be BI in my opinion, because otherwise that would make too many restrictions. Unless Cassandra and Scribe girl if they were both Lis would be open to everyone. 

 

Part of thinks Cassandra will be bi just because of her huge fanbase, but I'd take either one tbh

[AresKeith]

I get the impression Varric or Blackwall might not be romantic options, rather than the First Enchanter of Orlais. What makes you think she won't be an option?

 

Because if there is 6 LIs and Cassandra and Sera are already options, that leaves Vivienne or Scribe Girl as the last female LI

[Sylvianus]

Part of thinks Cassandra will be bi just because of her huge fanbase, but I'd take either one tbh

 

Yeah me too, I think so. 

 

Cassandra also never truly showed any attraction to any gender. I mean, Gaylan was the one that kissed her on the cheek, she didn't do anything. Why ? For a movie, a romantic ending would have been common  ! ( like Tallis and the templar )  It's like Bioware carefully avoided any attempt that could make us think that she could be straight lol.

 

I'd be happy, either way too, if both of them were Lis. 

[WildOrchid]

I will be annoyed if there is only 2 female LIs and buckets of male LIs

 

Same. Equality in sexuality/gender is the best idea imo.

 

 

 

She's been described as an "Ice Queen", so that's a Start where we could dig up a Bucketload of Tropes from TvTropes regarding a possible Romance Arc.

 

If Viv is 'ice queen' and bi, i think that would be refreshing for the gay ladies. We've never had this kind of LI. We tend to get the cute/awkward type of ladies. I'm also glad Sera doesn't sound 'cute'.

[Feybrad]

Imo she'd be human only, possibly, and straight.

 

Look at her Hat, though... She is obviously into Horns, thus available to Qunari.

[Sylvianus]

If that happened, I don't think that straight guys and lesbians could feel that dragon age inquisition has more romances than any dragon age game. 

 

We should have 3 male and female characters available concretely at least. ( two Lis is what we had in the previous game )

[In Exile]

If Viv is 'ice queen' and bi, i think that would be refreshing for the gay ladies. We've never had this kind of LI. We tend to get the cute/awkward type of ladies. I'm also glad Sera doesn't sound 'cute'.

 

You're right, and that's an interesting observation. All of the bi girls I've dated actually fit into the ice queen profile IRL.