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I'd imagine that most (if not all the) magic taught to the Vashoth or the Dalish protagonist wouldn't likely be part of the Circle curriculum, and would be seen as making the mage a maleficar, as even shapeshifter Morrigan was viewed as such by Alistair and Wynne.
Just being a hedge mage doesn't make you a maleficar.
I'm getting rather impatient for her character kit to arrive TBH.
She definitely was not white in DA:O, lighter than DA2 absolutely, but white? Naa. I agree with the exoctic origins -- actually when the trailor came out with her in it, I remember I got into a huge fight with someone on the BSN because I said she was exotic and they got pretty mad
but yeah, I don't think she's exactly black, or at least completely. Vivienne, on the other hand, yes
Man, that took me a few. Here is a non modded image of Isabela from Origins.
Edit: I want you to know, Divine, that I'm not directing this completely to you. This is for the folks that thought Isabela was light skinned in Origins.
She looks pretty dark to me. Then add in some new graphics and an upgrade to her design.
Hello lovely. 
Man, that took me a few. Here is a non modded image of Isabela from Origins.
Edit: I want you to know, Divine, that I'm not directing this completely to you. This is for the folks that thought Isabela was light skinned in Origins.\
It's okay, my child, now go to the altar of Andraste and say the Chant of Light 5 times.
No, but seriously, I don't get why people think she was "definitely white" in DA:O. It could be a graphics thing because I didn't even think she was that dark, but I knew she was dark skinned. I'd still say she has some exotic flare to her though, quite the beauty 
She obviously did get the chin piercing after we saw her in Origins.
Also, I thought the head kerchief was a nice addition, too.
As for the eye colors changing, well ... contact lenses. 
What does everyone think the probability is of Vivienne being a LI? I hope she is.
It's okay, my child, now go to the altar of Andraste and say the Chant of Light 5 times.
No, but seriously, I don't get why people think she was "definitely white" in DA:O. It could be a graphics thing because I didn't even think she was that dark, but I knew she was dark skinned. I'd still say she has some exotic flare to her though, quite the beauty
Haha, no thanks. While I don't identify IC as an elf, I do prefer the Creators. Nature is my church. 
I'm not sure either. Honestly, the crappy lighting of the Pearl had a lot to do with it. We're getting off topic, as much as I love Bela. Let's get this back on track.
Can you imagine what it would be like if Isabela and Vivienne meet?
Edit: Heya Martin. I'd say pretty good, especially since she's lovely, seems to have a smartass attitude and a sense of fashion. Plus, in every game so far, we've had at least one dark-haired lady mage as a LI. Why break tradition?
Man, that took me a few. Here is a non modded image of Isabela from Origins.
Edit: I want you to know, Divine, that I'm not directing this completely to you. This is for the folks that thought Isabela was light skinned in Origins.
She looks pretty dark to me. Then add in some new graphics and an upgrade to her design.
Wow. 
Don't get me wrong, I knew she had darker skin in Origins but I never realized it was that dark.
What does everyone think the probability is of Vivienne being a LI? I hope she is.
As likely as Cassandra and/or Varric being one. Maybe a little higher.
What does everyone think the probability is of Vivienne being a LI? I hope she is.
If she's not there will be buckets surrounding me for my many tears.
Can you imagine what it would be like if Isabela and Vivienne meet?
I don't think Vivienne would like Isabelas fashion sense, since it's not very Orlesian, but I think the banter would be amazing. Isabela would probably have a ball since Vivienne's nickname is "The Iron Lady".
Does Vivienne originate from Rivain, I forget?
Wow.
Don't get me wrong, I knew she had darker skin in Origins but I never realized it was that dark.
Yeah, I was a little surprised to the first time I saw it. The lighting in the Pearl is atrocious, for certain.
Maybe it's on purpose? Not by the devs, but in-universe for the Pearl. That nice soft lighting can blur features; go check out a room lit only by a fire and candles and you'll see what I mean.
You know what they say: All cats are grey in the dark. 
If she's not there will be buckets surrounding me for my many tears.
I don't think Vivienne would like Isabelas fashion sense, since it's not very Orlesian, but I think the banter would be amazing. Isabela would probably have a ball since Vivienne's nickname is "The Iron Lady".
Does Vivienne originate from Rivain, I forget?
1) Either she'd hate Bela's fashion sense or love it and start annoying her with tips on how to accessorize. They'd bond over the lack of pants though. 
2) Her heritage is Rivaini, but she was raised in the Circle in Orlais.
Huh. Came to this thread expecting some discussion on Vivienne. Instead, find people debating the colour of skin that Isabella was in DA:O. Unsurprising, but still slightly disappointed
What does everyone think the probability is of Vivienne being a LI? I hope she is.
Based on the little I've heard of her, I'm hopeful that she'll be a LI. If not, however, I'm still interested in the character personally. What makes her tick and whatnot. Regardless, she'll definitely be a companion I bring along for most of my journey (provided someone more interesting doesn't pop up)
Huh. Came to this thread expecting some discussion on Vivienne. Instead, find people debating the colour of skin that Isabella was in DA:O. Unsurprising, but still slightly disappointed
Based on the little I've heard of her, I'm hopeful that she'll be a LI. If not, however, I'm still interested in the character personally. What makes her tick and whatnot. Regardless, she'll definitely be a companion I bring along for most of my journey (provided someone more interesting doesn't pop up)
It's been bouncing around like that for only about 3 pages or so. The rest of the 20+ pages are filled with Vivenne goodness. I was just clearing up a tiny debate.
I'm hopeful she'll be a LI too, even if my personality clashes with hers the first time. As far as keeping her in my party, it really depends upon what the second mage companion will be like. I do think that, just as before, we'll have two mages to choose from. I am looking forward to a fresh perspective on Orlais. Every PC and companion has been on the outside looking into Orlais. She could provide some great information about the day-to-day life in the Courts. As someone else pointed out, she could also help if we have to participate in The Game at some point. It sounds neat.
Naturally though, she'd fall behind Varric in priority. Sorry, but while Vivi looks neat and all...Varric is my platonic life mate.
As much as I love Leliana, I'm just really grateful that Vivienne didn't have as thick an accent as her. I know her VA could change, I really hope it doesn't though. I want to know why she's nicknamed 'The Iron Lady' and I also want to know if she's from Monstimmard or Val Royeaux, my bet is on the former considering her lack of mention in Asunder.
As much as I love Leliana, I'm just really grateful that Vivienne didn't have as thick an accent as her. I know her VA could change, I really hope it doesn't though. I want to know why she's nicknamed 'The Iron Lady' and I also want to know if she's from Monstimmard or Val Royeaux, my bet is on the former considering her lack of mention in Asunder.
I'd love to find out where she's from. Definitely ordering Asunder in a couple of hours from Amazon.
As far as "The Iron Lady," I think they give her that moniker because "Ball Buster" would have gotten them cooked with a very quick spell. I'm sure it's a compliment to her iron willpower, but I prefer the former theory myself.
Edit: That wasn't an insult towards the character. Just something I could see happening.
As much as I love Leliana, I'm just really grateful that Vivienne didn't have as thick an accent as her. I know her VA could change, I really hope it doesn't though. I want to know why she's nicknamed 'The Iron Lady' and I also want to know if she's from Monstimmard or Val Royeaux, my bet is on the former considering her lack of mention in Asunder.
Vivienne doesn't have an accent at all. At least if by accent we're referring specifically to Orlesian. Her VA was using a British accent rather than French.
Vivienne doesn't have an accent at all. At least if by accent we're referring specifically to Orlesian. Her VA was using a British accent rather than French.
Yeah, that's true. It would be so awesome if they could get Naomie Harris.
She has done some VO work before.
I don't know, Merrill seemed to have learned mostly spirit and primal magic as the first of the clan, and most specialized stuff the Dalish learn seem to be nature-related, which is probably not something the Chantry bans. They don't really seem to ban that much outside of blood magic and things closely related to blood magic, in all honesty.
As for the Vashoth, we don't know where they were trained. Since the Qunari don't train their mages I can't see them being taught by them- most likely it was by other Vashoth mages of Human mages, neither of which are likely to teach in-depth forbidden stuff, because they probably wouldn't know any themselves.
I always assumed that Morrigan was a Maleficar due to knowledge and practice of things like the dark ritual, which came very close to blood magic, not necessarily her shapeshifting.
Alistair and Wynne weren't privy to the existence of the dark ritual at the time they refer to Morrigan as a maleficar; they knew she was a shapeshifter (which also seems to be an ancient practice that some elven mages also know, based on Morrigan's dialogue with a Dalish Warden), and that's it. I think Vivienne (who seems to have been raised and instructed by the Chantry controlled Circle) could possibly see a Vashoth or Dalish protagonist as a maleficar based on their magical abilities being outside the scope of what's taught or sanctioned by the Chantry, even if it's not malevolent.
In the City of Amaranthine, the templars were looking for ways to combat against Dalish magic, which they seemed to know very little about. I think it's a potential issue, and I admit to some curiosity about how she would respond to a maleficar protagonist.
Alistair and Wynne weren't privy to the existence of the dark ritual at the time they refer to Morrigan as a maleficar; they knew she was a shapeshifter (which also seems to be an ancient practice that some elven mages also know, based on Morrigan's dialogue with a Dalish Warden), and that's it. I think Vivienne (who seems to have been raised and instructed by the Chantry controlled Circle) could possibly see a Vashoth or Dalish protagonist as a maleficar based on their magical abilities being outside the scope of what's taught or sanctioned by the Chantry, even if it's not malevolent.
In the City of Amaranthine, the templars were looking for ways to combat against Dalish magic, which they seemed to know very little about. I think it's a potential issue, and I admit to some curiosity about how she would respond to a maleficar protagonist.
I don't think she'd mind a Dalish keeper versus an actual blood mage.
Vivienne doesn't have an accent at all. At least if by accent we're referring specifically to Orlesian. Her VA was using a British accent rather than French.
Speaking of, do we know who her VA is yet? She sounded amazing.
If she's not there will be buckets surrounding me for my many tears.
Why, you don't know anything about her character. You must really like ebony girls :/
Just being a hedge mage doesn't make you a maleficar.
Alistair and Wynne refer to Morrigan as a maleficar, and she's more or less a hedge witch. Admittedly, the terminology for apostates and maelficar is often used synonymously, as the codex on apostates addresses. If Alistair and Wynne view Morrigan as a maleficar, than I think it's possible Vivienne could view a Vashoth or Dalish mage as one for practicing magic that isn't taught by the Chantry controlled Circle.
Perhaps curiosity about an outsider who uses foreign magic, maybe a hesitancy to trust an individual who uses unsanctioned magic, or perhaps (as eluvianix said) she won't mind as long as the apostate/maleficar protagonist doesn't practice something as forbidden as blood magic.
Anders in Awakening was an apostate.
Flemeth is a maleficar.
Morrigan is an apostate who is most likely a maleficar.
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