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[Steelcan]

I want her to turn Leliana into a toad and step on her.

 

But then she'll be resurrected by the powers of the writers

[Divine Justinia V]

I want her to turn Leliana into a toad and step on her.

 

lmfao what the hell, why hahahaha

[Xilizhra]

I want her to turn Leliana into a toad and step on her.

Hey, Leliana is on our side.

[Steelcan]

I'm increasingly fond of Leliana, but the writers resurrecting her just makes me angry...

[AresKeith]

Um, not only does Tevinter have a Circle, it has the first Circle.

 

Ok and?

 

That still doesn't mean she'd prefer Tevinter

[Xilizhra]

Ok and?

 

That still doesn't mean she'd prefer Tevinter

Actually, as of now, Tevinter has the only Circle. But aside from that, she wants order and control, but has no problem with holding political power. That all seems to come together pretty well up north.

[EmissaryofLies]

Hey, Leliana is on our side.

Remains to be seen. Something about her just rubs me the wrong way. Seems like a long-con type of player.

[Xilizhra]

Remains to be seen. Something about her just rubs me the wrong way. Seems like a long-con type of player.

She proved herself in Asunder. I'm not sure what long con she'd be playing after that.

[EmissaryofLies]

She proved herself in Asunder. I'm not sure what long con she'd be playing after that.

Fair enough. But I'll be watching her as well as Vivienne and that bald elf.

[AresKeith]

Actually, as of now, Tevinter has the only Circle. 

 

Which has nothing to do with her being Pro-Circle

 

But aside from that, she wants order and control, but has no problem with holding political power. That all seems to come together pretty well up north.

 

That all may be, but that doesn't mean she would prefer Tevinter. Not all Mages think Tevinter is a good place Xil

[Xilizhra]

 

That all may be, but that doesn't mean she would prefer Tevinter. Not all Mages think Tevinter is a good place Xil

I know. Even I don't. It just seemed like it'd appeal to her.

[AresKeith]

I know. Even I don't. It just seemed like it'd appeal to her.

 

From the little info we have on her it may seem like that, but I doubt it's really that simple to assume she's like Tevinter

[BlueMagitek]

I know. Even I don't. It just seemed like it'd appeal to her.

There's a significant difference between the Game played in Orlais (which she seems to enjoy) and the games played by Tevinter magisters. 

[Dr. Doctor]

Being a mage in Tevinter isn't any guarantee of a good life.

In Orlais, intrigue will get you a knife in the back, in Tevinter you get the undead waltzing down the streets of Minrathous. Almost every Magister (except Maevrais Tilani) that we've met ends up wielding blood magic in an attempt to outgun their political adversaries.

There's not much fun in playing a game where the other players are constantly threatening to smash the board and burn the pieces.

[Lulupab]

Being a mage in Tevinter isn't any guarantee of a good life.

In Orlais, intrigue will get you a knife in the back, in Tevinter you get the undead waltzing down the streets of Minrathous. Almost every Magister (except Maevrais Tilani) that we've met ends up wielding blood magic in an attempt to outgun their political adversaries.

There's not much fun in playing a game where the other players are constantly threatening to smash the board and burn the pieces.

You don't have to be a Magister. You can always be a Laetan, esteemed citizen who is either a mage or a mundane known for having mage children. These mages are free after their circle training and are not locked up and can live a life usually only mundanes can in rest of Thedas.

[Xilizhra]

There's a significant difference between the Game played in Orlais (which she seems to enjoy) and the games played by Tevinter magisters. 

The only difference I can see is that Orlesians aren't allowed to openly kill each other, so they have to conduct every such matter via assassins.

 

 

Being a mage in Tevinter isn't any guarantee of a good life.

In Orlais, intrigue will get you a knife in the back, in Tevinter you get the undead waltzing down the streets of Minrathous. Almost every Magister (except Maevrais Tilani) that we've met ends up wielding blood magic in an attempt to outgun their political adversaries.

There's not much fun in playing a game where the other players are constantly threatening to smash the board and burn the pieces.

I don't know if that analogy quite applies; to do that, you'd have to destroy the Imperium as a whole, which seems more resilient than that.

[The Elder King]

You don't have to be a Magister. You can always be a Laetan, esteemed citizen who is either a mage or a mundane known for having mage children. These mages are free after their circle training and are not locked up and can live a life usually only mundanes can in rest of Thedas.

You do realize that Laetans can be magisters? 1/3 of the Archons were Laetans even.
As for the Circle in Tevinter, we have no way to determine if mages (or to be more precise, all mages) can leave the Circle after the training.

[Lulupab]

You do realize that Laetans can be magisters? 1/3 of the Archons were Laetans even.
As for the Circle in Tevinter, we have no way to determine if mages (or to be more precise, all mages) can leave the Circle after the training.

 

Of course but I doubt anyone is forcing you to become a Magister. They can become Magisters but its a decision they have to make. You can live your life as Laetan. And its the only place in Thedas a mage can live outside circle, be married and have children.

 

Well there is absolute evidence however we do know mages are allowed to get married and own property outside the circle. What do you think that means? Maybe they have to visit the circle occasionally but its obvious that they are not locked up and can leave. There could be possible restrictions but they leave.

[The Elder King]

Of course but I doubt anyone is forcing you to become a Magister. They can become Magisters but its a decision they have to make. You can live your life as Laetan. And its the only place in Thedas a mage can live outside circle, be married and have children.
 
Well there is absolute evidence however we do know mages are allowed to get married and own property outside the circle. What do you think that means? Maybe they have to visit the circle occasionally but its obvious that they are not locked up and can leave. There could be possible restrictions but they leave.

The fact that mages can have property and marry doesn't mean at all that ALL mages can have this. It just means that some mages have the possibility of doing so. We simply have no clue to know for certain how the Cirlce system works, and what are the requisites to leave the Circle.

[BlueMagitek]

The only difference I can see is that Orlesians aren't allowed to openly kill each other, so they have to conduct every such matter via assassins.

 

The Grand Game in Orlais is aristocratic decadence, assassinations do happen, yes, but if anything is botched then every other player in the game works against that one.  The game in Tevinter is publically, messily murdering your opposition on the street (as dreamer-kid can attest) and only working together when your slaves start to rebel.

[Lord Raijin]

Once you go black you never go back. Oh Vivienne    How you complete me I hope shes available for romance in this incoming game.
 

I want my male mage inquisitor to have a beautiful mage woman to help reform the Circle again.

[Dean_the_Young]

Why do I get the feeling Xil is going to angle for mugging Vivienne?

[Sylvianus]

Once you go black you never go back. Oh Vivienne    How you complete me I hope shes available for romance in this incoming game.
 

I want my male mage inquisitor to have a beautiful mage woman to help reform the Circle again.

 

Hell, yes. Finally someone I can understand. This is one of my favourite solutions. 

[Dean_the_Young]

So, after some time to think on it a bit-

 

I'll admit, my first impression of Vivienne is negative, and for some of the reasons Xil describes. Elitist? Snobbish? Putting way too much emphasis on form rather than function? Yeah, that pricks a bit. I'm sure my 'mud farmer' sort of Inquisiters will be properly offended by such attitude or rhetoric.

 

But none of that makes her a bad person. Disagreeable, sure, but being disagreeable, elitist, and even prideful don't make you bad. How you compose yourself and treat others from a position of power makes you bad, and we've seen nothing to suggest she mistreats those she considers of lesser station.

 

More to the point, though, Vivienne and her attitude will be useful, important even. She is exceptional, not an abnormality, in the system and setting she comes from, a context which I am sure the Inquisitor will need to succeed in. The Orlesian Halls of power, where form does matter more than function, will be decisive places I'm sure, critical to making any political end-game of factions stick... and if I were a reckless sort of person who discarded Vivienee just because she judges me, it would only mean that I am less prepared and able to act when others would judge me on the same grounds as well.

 

So, in a sense, I recognize that I will likely need Vivienne as well. If she doesn't handle the Orlesian politics, who will? Rube Inquisitor, wiping mud off of combat armor? Trying to make allies as I seek to convince the elites 'hey, it's probably for the best if you support my goals and inclinations for the mage and templar thing, as well as everything else.'

 

People who throw away potent allies just because they don't like them looking down on them are being silly. Vivienne looking down on me doesn't make me silly, but hating her before I know her (and the greater context) better would certainly make a fool of me. Especially if I acted as if my first impressions were the entirety of her character.

 

 

So congrats to Bioware- a companion who I already feel will challenge me even as I need her, and whom I am certain will surprise me even so.

 

I wouldn't say I've been made a fan... but it doesn't bore me either. Excellent.

[Lord Raijin]

Hell, yes. Finally someone I can understand. This is one of my favourite solutions. 

 

I only play as a mage and not any other class. I'm cutting myself short from other pov, but thats just how I role. With the Circle no more and the mages inable to practice their magic in a safe enviorment It doesn't surprise me to see that a unstable mage is responsible for the veil being torn.

 

With my male mage protagonist and Vivienne (a very pro Circle) I feel that I can use my power of authority to rebuild the Circle of Magi under the Inquisition rules, and not the Chantry.