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#776
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Why do I get the feeling Xil is going to angle for mugging Vivienne?

I will not turn on my companions (if they turn on me, like Sebastian, that's another matter). She may or may not annoy the hell out of me, but I won't harm someone who's under my authority and thus protection just on a whim.

 

I'll also agree with your later post, more or less.


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Sure you would, for a certain definition of 'whim.' You're emotionally reactive like that.



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Sure you would, for a certain definition of 'whim.' You're emotionally reactive like that.

You underestimate my completionism. No amount of mere annoyance would make me forsake completing everything a given companion's story has to offer, and experiencing the joy of the largest number of people on my side.


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Then that's a separate principle from the paternalism bit. They're guarded by their content, not the power relationship of you and authority over them.



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Then that's a separate principle from the paternalism bit. They're guarded by their content, not the power relationship of you and authority over them.

That's my OOC reasoning. My IC one is the paternalism one.



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So long as you specify, fair enough.



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So long as you specify, fair enough.

I also genuinely hate betraying someone who's put their trust in me, even if they'd normally be an enemy; it's why I've never done anything like shake Vaughan down for gold, then leave him in prison. It's one of a surprising number of things in video games that makes me feel ill.


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I don't think I will, but if she tries to reestablish the previous Circle...


I could see that as a serious issue with my first run.

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I could see that as a serious issue with my first run.

 

Same, but maybe the Inquisitor can sway her?


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Possible, but I doubt it. As an establishment representative to the Court, she'll probably be far more important in establishing a compromise than in becoming part of the obstruction to one.



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I also genuinely hate betraying someone who's put their trust in me, even if they'd normally be an enemy; it's why I've never done anything like shake Vaughan down for gold, then leave him in prison. It's one of a surprising number of things in video games that makes me feel ill.


After my Surana Warden heard about what he did to the women (from the prisoner Soris), my Warden was fairly upfront as he stabbed Vaughan Kendells in the chest. It was one of my favorite moments of Origins.

Same, but maybe the Inquisitor can sway her?


For her sake, I hope so. Otherwise, Vivenne will be rather disappointed with my Dalish protagonist's actions.

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After my Surana Warden heard about what he did to the women (from the prisoner Soris), my Warden was fairly upfront as he stabbed Vaughan Kendells in the chest. It was one of my favorite moments of Origins.

I don't recall Soris ever mentioning that (if he had, I would have killed him, but he never did). How can you get that to happen?



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I don't recall Soris ever mentioning that (if he had, I would have killed him, but he never did). How can you get that to happen?


You ask Soris about what happened before releasing him, and he tells you about Vaughan abducting his wife. I sent Vaughan not the void not long after - no deal, just the Murder Knife dispensing elven justice.

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You ask Soris about what happened before releasing him, and he tells you about Vaughan abducting his wife. I sent Vaughan not the void not long after - no deal, just the Murder Knife dispensing elven justice.

I swear that I did...

 

Maybe I'll just play a city elf and remove that whole problem altogether.


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Like her style. 



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I'll admit, as I always play a Mage I'm kind of looking forward to having Vivienne as a mentor. "(*French Accent*) You cast like a mule!" -Smacks Inquisitor aside the head with her elegant staff- 


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I'll admit, as I always play a Mage I'm kind of looking forward to having Vivienne as a mentor. "(*French Accent*) You cast like a mule!" -Smacks Inquisitor aside the head with her elegant staff- 

 

oh. my. god.

 

a thousand times yes

now i want to draw a comic of this


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#793
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I'll admit, as I always play a Mage I'm kind of looking forward to having Vivienne as a mentor. "(*French Accent*) You cast like a mule!" -Smacks Inquisitor aside the head with her elegant staff- 

Try and I'll break the damned thing over either my knee or your head, painted harridan.



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oh. my. god.

 

a thousand times yes

now i want to draw a comic of this

(*Laughs*) There's an idea. Got to bring Aimo in on this to (^^)



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Try and I'll break the damned thing over either my knee or your head, painted harridan.


I get the feeling Vivienne might test your patience, if the suggestions about her are close to the truth.

Given her pro-Circle stance, I wonder what her opinion will be on a mage protagonist from the Vashoth or Dalish community. She seems be very Orlesian, after all.

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I also genuinely hate betraying someone who's put their trust in me, even if they'd normally be an enemy; it's why I've never done anything like shake Vaughan down for gold, then leave him in prison. It's one of a surprising number of things in video games that makes me feel ill.

 

The way I see it, someone will go down there eventually and let him out. If no one does, then the Arling is really that poorly maintained. Anyway, all I could feel was a deep sense of amusement watching that insufferable pr*ck punch the air in frustration.



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I get the feeling Vivienne might test your patience, if the suggestions about her are close to the truth.

Given her pro-Circle stance, I wonder what her opinion will be on a mage protagonist from the Vashoth or Dalish community. She seems be very Orlesian, after all.

We'll see what comes of it. But she has more screentime than Carver, so I doubt she can be made of complete annoyingness. Even Fenris was tolerable.



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Oh! In case none mentioned it, Vivienne is confirmed to be the Ortolan bunting...I kind of expected that tbh...

 

https://twitter.com/...792824203792384


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Since I had never heard of that dish before, I had to look it up. This sounds a little morbid and very expensive.  Illegal to cook currently in France too:

 

http://en.wikipedia....Ortolan_Bunting

 

 

For centuries, a rite of passage for French gourmets has been the eating of the Ortolan. These tiny birds—captured alive, force-fed, then drowned in Armagnac—were roasted whole and eaten that way, bones and all, while the diner draped his head with a linen napkin to preserve the precious aromas and, some believe, to hide from God.

 

Here's another bit I found about Ortolan Bunting:

 

http://www.quora.com...ortolan-bunting

 

Q. Where can I go/what can I do to eat ortolan bunting?   It's illegal to sell, but not to eat. I assume this means that restaurants will not typically have them. Should I just try wandering the French countryside looking for someone who will serve me ortolan?

A. If you're curious what ortolan is: "You catch the ortolan with a net spread up in the forest canopy. Take it alive. Take it home. Poke out its eyes and put it in a small cage. Force-feed it oats and millet and figs until it has swollen to four times its normal size. Drown it in brandy. Roast it whole, in an oven at high heat, for six to eight minutes. Bring it to the table. Place a cloth—a napkin will do—over your head to hide your cruelty from the sight of God. Put the whole bird into your mouth, with only the beak protruding from your lips. Bite. Put the beak on your plate and begin chewing, gently. You will taste three things: First, the sweetness of the flesh and fat. This is God. Then, the bitterness of the guts will begin to overwhelm you. This is the suffering of Jesus. Finally, as your teeth break the small, delicate bones and they begin to lacerate your gums, you will taste the salt of your own blood, mingling with the richness of the fat and the bitterness of the organs. This is the Holy Spirit, the mystery of the Trinity—three united as one. It is cruel. And beautiful."
 

 

Okay, I think I can confirm that Vivienne is going to have a lot of steel under that silk and lace. I know about her nickname, but that sealed the deal. I see a pretty ruthless woman here.  


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....... naaaaaaaaaa


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