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She framed Rhys for murder for her own personal gain???
She forced the entire thing.
What, and Vivienne wouldn't have done that? The Game is not kind. Hell, Tevinter's struggles are probably more honest, at least.
Adrian is ruthless but that's all. She's irrational, she has no sense of responsability and intelligence. With that woman as a leader, I'm pretty sure all the mages will fall.
Fiona is the one actually in charge, so don't worry about that. I disagree on everything else in any case.
What, and Vivienne wouldn't have done that? The Game is not kind. Hell, Tevinter's struggles are probably more honest, at least.
Vivienne is pro-cricle, no she wouldn't have lol!!!!! Are you serious? The Game has nothing to do with the Mage/Templar war. Adrian had way more of her hand in that pot than anyone. Vivienne was going to be First Enchanter, she'd have never comprised that position intentionally.
Try it and I'll eat your foot, Inquisitor.
Why in Hell?
Fine then. I'll just boil Adrian's blood instead.
Yyyyyyessssss! Throw that girl off the roof!
I hated Adrian, I abhor Adrian.
Adrian < Vivienne
ugh
Indeed. Betraying of a friend is something I cannot and will not ever abide, regardless of her "reasons".
Why do people hate Adrian so much, exactly?
Vivienne is pro-cricle, no she wouldn't have lol!!!!! Are you serious? The Game has nothing to do with the Mage/Templar war. Adrian had way more of her hand in that pot than anyone. Vivienne was going to be First Enchanter, she'd have never comprised that position intentionally.
I meant that she'd have sold out quite a few friends to get to the top.
I'm not, here, arguing over whether Adrian should be disliked primarily. I'm wondering why people who dislike her like Vivienne.
Fine then. I'll just boil Adrian's blood instead.
You'll have to go through me.
Why do people hate Adrian so much, exactly?
Have you read Asunder? I don't wanna spoil you if you haven't read it.
Possibly. I'm just saying that we don't know her enough of her. If she turns out to be a pro-Circle Adrian, I'll dislike her as much I dislike Adrian. After all, my opinion of Fiona and Rhys are better than the one I have of Adrian.
I disagree on companions. If you disagree with them or reach a crysis point, you should be able to dismiss or kill them.
Like in Origins? That would make sense. It would be incredibly odd if the companions remained at your side even if you took actions that they strongly disagreed with, morally and ethically.
You'll have to go through me.
Fine then. Prepare your staff.
Framing Rhys of Pharamond's death to start the revolution, most likely.Why do people hate Adrian so much, exactly?
Fine then. Prepare your staff.
If you wish, but I doubt you want this so badly that you'd truly try to kill me.
@Eluvianix
Not quite yet. Though I've gathered that she manipulates events to the ends of the mages ulimately voting to leave the Chantry.
Skip my post then.@Eluvianix
Not quite yet. Though I've gathered that she manipulates events to the ends of the mages ulimately voting to leave the Chantry.
I meant that she'd have sold out quite a few friends to get to the top.
I'm not, here, arguing over whether Adrian should be disliked primarily. I'm wondering why people who dislike her like Vivienne.
I don't think Vivienne would do something like setting up her best friend for murder, for anything really. Vivienne doesn't strike me as the manipulative type.
Why do people hate Adrian so much, exactly?
She's manipulative and a little bit of an opportunist.
If you wish, but I doubt you want this so badly that you'd truly try to kill me.
I do not relish raising my staff against you, but that woman doesn't deserve your mercy.
I don't think Vivienne would do something like setting up her best friend for murder, for anything really. Vivienne doesn't strike me as the manipulative type.
Er, how can an Orlesian politician not be manipulative?
I will grant that, despite my logical mind finding no reason to like her, my intuitive mind is for some reason telling me I'll love her and that she'll be a wonderful romance option. I don't know why, except maybe because Sera kind of sounds like she'll be the exact same gorram character archetype that basically every dual-wielding rogue in the series has been.
I do not relish raising my staff against you, but that woman doesn't deserve your mercy.
If you want to indict her for something after the war, we'll sort that out later. Right now, we still have templars to fight.
Er, how can an Orlesian politician not be manipulative?
I will grant that, despite my logical mind finding no reason to like her, my intuitive mind is for some reason telling me I'll love her and that she'll be a wonderful romance option. I don't know why, except maybe because Sera kind of sounds like she'll be the exact same gorram character archetype that basically every dual-wielding rogue in the series has been.
because she just doesn't strike me that way, I feel like she'd be more upfront and brazen rather than having to be a little weasel.
I also think she'd make for a great LI
If you want to indict her for something after the war, we'll sort that out later. Right now, we still have templars to fight.
You do have a point. We have a war to fight. However, I do not forget actions such as hers. Ever.
Sera isn't necessarily dual-weapon. She can use bows as well. While she might be similar to Zevran and Isabela, I'm not sure she'll be the same. Iron Bull seems to fit Isabela and Zevran's spot more, based on the survey.Er, how can an Orlesian politician not be manipulative?
I will grant that, despite my logical mind finding no reason to like her, my intuitive mind is for some reason telling me I'll love her and that she'll be a wonderful romance option. I don't know why, except maybe because Sera kind of sounds like she'll be the exact same gorram character archetype that basically every dual-wielding rogue in the series has been.
If you want to indict her for something after the war, we'll sort that out later. Right now, we still have templars to fight.
I don't think Vivienne would do something like setting up her best friend for murder, for anything really. Vivienne doesn't strike me as the manipulative type.
She's manipulative and a little bit of an opportunist.
Adrian is also very emotional, too fanatic and too narrow minded. She just can't control herself. You can't have nice things with her. She would spoil everything. But like Xilizhra said, I shouldn't worry, because she won't be a leader among the mages. XD
I respect Vivienne. despite her diva style, she does strike me as someone intelligent and reasonable despite she might have some strong opinions. You can't be in the imperial court as an enchanter, close to the empress and advising her if you are someone fanatic, unable to control yourself, etc etc.
because she just doesn't strike me that way, I feel like she'd be more upfront and brazen rather than having to be a little weasel.
I also think she'd make for a great LI
From the description of the Game, it doesn't sound like you can ever be upfront and brazen.
Sera isn't necessarily dual-weapon. She can use bows as well. While she might be similar to Zevran and Isabela, I'm not sure she'll be the same. Iron Bull seems to fit Isabela and Zevran's spot more, based on the survey.
I don't just mean Zevran and Isabela. Sigrun and Tallis, while they were toned down thanks to the greater causes they served, used a lot of the same traits. And why does the Iron Bull seem more likely to fill that spot?
According to the survey, he drinks a lot, has a lot of sex and enjoy killing (this is a trait he shares with Zevran).From the description of the Game, it doesn't sound like you can ever be upfront and brazen.
I don't just mean Zevran and Isabela. Sigrun and Tallis, while they were toned down thanks to the greater causes they served, used a lot of the same traits. And why does the Iron Bull seem more likely to fill that spot?
From the description of the Game, it doesn't sound like you can ever be upfront and brazen.
Any way you want to swing it, I doubt Vivienne is going to be remotely like Adrian.
Adrian is also very emotional, too fanatic and too narrow minded. She just can't control herself. You can't have nice things with her. She would spoil everything. But like Xilizhra said, I shouldn't worry, because she won't be a leader among the mages. XD
I respect Vivienne. despite her diva style, she does strike me as someone intelligent and reasonable despite she might have some strong opinions. You can't be in the imperial court as an enchanter, close to the empress and advising her if you are someone fanatic, unable to control yourself, etc etc.
Basically yes to everything that's bolded.
And I love Vivienne even more for her dive style 
and absolutely, I agree. Adrian would've survive in the position she's in.
According to the survey, he drinks a lot, has a lot of sex and enjoy killing (this is a trait he shares with Zevran).
Is he also cheerful, charmingly amoral, and does he possess some kind of hidden heart of gold?
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