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[The Elder King]

Well, we have already a bald elf. That's kinda iconic and Bioware loves its iconic characters. That would be weakened if Vivienne was bald too.

We have Iron Bull which is shaved/bald too.

[Sylvianus]

We have Iron Bull which is shaved/bald too.

LOL ! True, you're right ! Actually, I didn't even think about him because of his BIG horns. He has no hair, but there's still something on his head replacing any hairstyle , while the bald elf, there's absolutely nothing. it's smooth, it's almost shiny, like a ball cristale.

 

But * three * bald guys ? That would be a lot though.

[The Elder King]

LOL ! True, you're right ! Actually, I didn't even think about him because of his BIG horns. He has no hair, but there's still something on his head replacing any hairstyle , while the bald elf, there's absolutely nothing. it's smooth, it's almost shiny, like a ball cristale.
 
But * three * bald guys ? That would be a lot though.

I guess we'll know if Vivienne would leave her hat sometimes.

[Sylvianus]

I read on the twitter thread a tweet of Mike saying that it will be likely that we see Vivienne without her hat !!!

[The Elder King]

I read on the twitter thread a tweet of Mike saying that it will be likely that we see Vivienne without her hat !!!

Thanks for the info, i missed it .

[Banxey]

What stands out to me from the description is that to even consider eating it, you must be extremely devoted to your beliefs.  Willing to taste organs and cut up your own gums to taste your blood as an expression of faith.  I think this is somebody who would not balk from self-harm or self-sacrifice in the name of something. 

 

Or maybe it means that she is rich and decadent, but became so through the most horrid trials. 

 

Or maybe it means that if you try to eat her, she'll cut you.

 

That's a perspective I hadn't considered. I suppose the followers do generally have some form of horrible event in their pasts.

[sandalisthemaker]

Guys, the preparation of Ortolan Bunting is symbolic of the fate of anyone who dares back-sass her.

[Hellion Rex]

Guys, the preparation of Ortolan Bunting is symbolic of the fate of anyone who dares back-sass her.

Ha, I'd set her hat on fire

[sandalisthemaker]

Ha, I'd set her hat on fire

 

And I'll be there to sweep what's left of you off the floor. Was nice knowing you, Luvy. #RIP

[The Elder King]

And I'll be there to sweep what's left of you off the floor. Was nice knowing you, Luvy. #RIP

Please, she'd be putty in my hands after I use BM on her .

[Hellion Rex]

And I'll be there to sweep what's left of you off the floor. Was nice knowing you, Luvy. #RIP

 

Haha, I'd like to see her try it.

[themageguy]

Am I a terrible person if I say the description of that meal makes me hungry?

Naw, just like minded )

[Grieving Natashina]

Please, she'd be putty in my hands after I use BM on her .

If you need to use blood magic to get a gal into the sack, you have other problems.

[The Elder King]

If you need to use blood magic to get a gal into the sack, you have other problems.

I wasn't talking about romancing her . The discussion was about her being ruthless against enemies, and how my character woudn't became Ashes as Sandal suggested, but more the contrary :evil:.

[thats1evildude]

What do you guys think being described as ortolan bunting means exactly? I would assume decadent and cruel, but is there another way to look at it?

I would also assume it means she's excessively decadent.

[Former_Fiend]

Well, figure I'll lend my voice to this thread; been staying out of it thus far because I prefer to be positive, but, eh, what the hell.

 

Thus far Viveinne is the only new companion that I feel I will probably actively dislike. There are those I'm positive about(Cassandra, Iron Bull, Bearded Warden), those I'm neural on(Solas, Mr. Mustache), and those I'm hesitant about (Sera), but Viveinne rubs me in all the wrong ways.

 

She's a beautiful woman, but from what's been revealed of her personality she strikes me as haughty, arrogant, potentially classist, decadent, highly impractical, and horribly difficult. Nothing about her strikes me as the type of person I'd enjoy associating with.

 

Anyway, that's all I'll rain on this parade; for those of you looking forward to her, I hope she lives up to your expectations.

[Grieving Natashina]

Well, figure I'll lend my voice to this thread; been staying out of it thus far because I prefer to be positive, but, eh, what the hell.

 

Thus far Viveinne is the only new companion that I feel I will probably actively dislike. There are those I'm positive about(Cassandra, Iron Bull, Bearded Warden), those I'm neural on(Solas, Mr. Mustache), and those I'm hesitant about (Sera), but Viveinne rubs me in all the wrong ways.

 

She's a beautiful woman, but from what's been revealed of her personality she strikes me as haughty, arrogant, potentially classist, decadent, highly impractical, and horribly difficult. Nothing about her strikes me as the type of person I'd enjoy associating with.

 

Anyway, that's all I'll rain on this parade; for those of you looking forward to her, I hope she lives up to your expectations.

 

I look forward to her, and paritally for the reasons I bolded.  Not because I assume I'll like her, but because she seems interesting.  Plus, she's our first direct look into the courts of Orlais, and the mindset of those driving the culture there.   I've been wondering about that ever since I played Origins.  I finally get the chance to see what someone raised fully in that environment is like. 

[Lambdadelta]

I am, so far, getting the impression that she's very much someone not to be trifled with, from not just the food she's likened too but also Mary Kirby's comments about her wearing the skins of her political rivals and how the Orlesian court calls her an iron lady. Like someone you just really, really, really do not want to **** around with. Personality-wise, she seems to me a very no-nonsense, very assertive, confident kind of person. In short, I think she sounds like a total badass. And the thing is, surviving and actively succeeding in an environment like the Orlesian court, in particular when you're a mage, requires a lot of resilience and strength, emotionally and psychologically. Not to mention both ambition, to want to get involved in the Orlesian court in the first place (assuming she doesn't have some backstory-related Reasons) as well as slyness and cunning. So Iron Lady probably couldn't be a more perfect descriptor for the sort of person she is. 

 

I think that even if I don't end up liking her, I'll still think that she's a pretty awesome character. (I am also pretty sure she's going to be a highly controversial "love her or hate her" type of character among the fans.)

[Grieving Natashina]

I am, so far, getting the impression that she's very much someone not to be trifled with, from not just the food she's likened too but also Mary Kirby's comments about her wearing the skins of her political rivals and how the Orlesian court calls her an iron lady. Like someone you just really, really, really do not want to **** around with. Personality-wise, she seems to me a very no-nonsense, very assertive, confident kind of person. In short, I think she sounds like a total badass. And the thing is, surviving and actively succeeding in an environment like the Orlesian court, in particular when you're a mage, requires a lot of resilience and strength, emotionally and psychologically. Not to mention both ambition, to want to get involved in the Orlesian court in the first place (assuming she doesn't have some backstory-related Reasons) as well as slyness and cunning. So Iron Lady probably couldn't be a more perfect descriptor for the sort of person she is. 

 

I think that even if I don't end up liking her, I'll still think that she's a pretty awesome character. (I am also pretty sure she's going to be a highly controversial "love her or hate her" type of character among the fans.)

Well stated and welcome to the forums!

[J-Reyno]

Beautiful description, Lambdadelta.

 

It's the whole "mage of intrigue" thing that interests me the most about her.  I'd really love to hear stories as to how she's survived playing that game.  I imagine that she is very much a product of her environment,

 

I'll also admit that I'm going to be expecting a possible betrayal of some sort, or that she may in some way try to take advantage of the inquisitor.  The same reasons she could be an asset also make me think that she could easily have some hand to play in getting herself involved.  She wants to "help her fellow mages"?  Right, mhm.  Let's be real here, she's from the court.  I'd imagine personal gain is at the top of her agenda.  There's also the whole maleficent look to boot.  Of course it's possible that she wants to help end this conflict and use that as a way to boost her image.  Maybe that'll be the extent of it.  I'm just expecting there to be more than meets the eye with this one.

[Lambdadelta]

Well stated and welcome to the forums!

 

Beautiful description, Lambdadelta.

 

It's the whole "mage of intrigue" thing that interests me the most about her.  I'd really love to hear stories as to how she's survived playing that game.  I imagine that she is very much a product of her environment,

 

I'll also admit that I'm going to be expecting a possible betrayal of some sort, or that she may in some way try to take advantage of the inquisitor.  The same reasons she could be an asset also make me think that she could easily have some hand to play in getting herself involved.  She wants to "help her fellow mages"?  Right, mhm.  Let's be real here, she's from the court.  I'd imagine personal gain is at the top of her agenda.  There's also the whole maleficent look to boot.  Of course it's possible that she wants to help end this conflict and use that as a way to boost her image.  Maybe that'll be the extent of it.  I'm just expecting there to be more than meets the eye with this one.

 

Thank you!

 

I agree-- I also find her "mage of intrigue" deal and involvement in the court, uh... intriguing. No, but really, I've always found the Game one of the most fascinating things about Orlais, so it's one of the reasons I'm glad she's in the game. I agree that she is probably very shaped by her environment-- although it also, I think, in part depends on her backstory and her motivations for getting involved in the Game in the first place. To want to get involved in the court implies a lot of ambition but also enough confidence in yourself to believe you can survive and succeed in it. Or, if you're a particularly nasty person, greed and selfishness. But it's an environment you can't survive without being changed by the experience in some ways.

 

So she's probably kind of anti-heroic, if the wiki describing her as an ends justify the means type is accurate, and I think it would make sense. You can't exactly afford stressing too much over morals and ethics when your entire world consists of people who may turn on you and betray you any time and probably intend to. I believe that same wiki also described her as straight-laced, which is interesting if true. But I do think that she's not exactly a bad person, just very willing to compromise and play dirty and be as underhanded as she sees necessary. I do think betrayal or personal, image-related agendas is something we can anticipate from her. She could have some sincerely well-meaning intentions behind joining the Inquisitor too. Just as long as her image isn't at a disadvantage. 

 

... And now I feel like this speculation on my part is getting a little out of hand. I probably should wait, of course, until we actually see and get to know more about her, considering how we barely even much about her personality or what she's generally like, plus there's still Follower Friday to wait for. But eh, it's fun to speculate, and the very worst that could happen is that I'll turn out to be 200% off-mark and it will be embarrassing.

[Former_Fiend]

I suppose part of my dislike of Viveinne comes from my utter disdain of politics and political games. I've no interest in them, and no respect for those who think playing them makes them 'strong'. 

 

Viveinne's character strikes me as someone who would make an excellent villain, but not someone I want on my party.

[J-Reyno]

I can understand that, but I don't think that political games are all fluff.  Politics might seem like games to some, but they can also have a very real impact on the lives of the people.. or the common folk.  Assuming she has good intentions, it's possible that she chose to play the game in the first place as a way to uplift the image, and livestyle, of mages. If people know that the one who stands at the helm of the circle (whichever it may be) is "The Iron Lady" herself, they may think twice about how they deal with her kind. That's not even mentioning the active influence she would have.  Vivienne is (or was) undoubtedly in a great place to positively influence the lives of many.

 

Vivi could probably make an excellent villain, and it's possible that's exactly what she wants people to think of her.  Whatever she may intend I'd personally consider her worthy of respect.

 

But I guess I've done enough speculation as well, haha.  I'm super interested in her Follower Friday to say the least.

[GVulture]

I wanted to say this in the other thread, but it got locked down.

 

In regards to Vivienne's color scheme on her wardrobe... I have a feeling that it comes down to what the color white and silver represent thematically.

 

White is color at its most complete and pure, the color of perfection. The color meaning of white is purity, innocence, wholeness and completion.

 

White contains an equal balance of all the colors of the spectrum, representing both the positive and negative aspects of all colors. Its basic feature is equality, implying fairness and impartiality, neutrality and independence. It is interesting to note that babies come into the world with a perfect balance of white, ready to imprint their lives with all the colors of the spectrum (hopefully!) from all their life experiences.

 

 

White is totally reflective, awakening openness, growth and creativity. You can't hide behind it as it amplifies everything in its way.

 

Silver has a feminine energy; it is related to the moon and the ebb and flow of the tides - it is fluid, emotional, sensitive and mysterious.

In the meaning of colors, it is associated with prestige and wealth. It is seen as a glamorous, sophisticated color related to female energy, prosperity and modernity.

 

Silver restores equilibrium and stability to both feminine power and spiritual energy. It protects itself from outside negativity, reflecting the energy back to where it began.

[Thomas Andresen]

I may have expressed this sentiment before, but knowing that Mary Kirby wrote her, I know that Vivienne will definitely make me laugh. Or at least chuckle.