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[LobselVith8]

Oops, sorry. I thought you quoted me. I love the Dalish and the elves, so I didn't understand what you meant.

De nada.

[Ryzaki]

I've just never liked playing as a Mage in any fantasy RPG. I'd rather be up on the front line hacking down Darkspawn/bandits/orcs/goblins/dragons and not standing back and hurling balls of shiny light or lightning bolts or fireballs at them.

 

Besides Merrill and Morrigan I've never actually been too fond of Dragon Age's Mages. Maybe Vivienne will prove me wrong.

 

I like nuking things with fireballs. Plus being able to heal if things get hairy helps. (Also force mage in DA2 was hilarious). I don't mind being in the front or the back (beside my mage usually could run up front after a while They usually ignored me).

 

Hopefully mage is even more fun in DAI. Warrior could use a lot of love though.

[Xilizhra]

I find it interesting that while I share Xil's dislike for the character, though not nearly to the same degree, it's for contrasting reasons.

 

Xil apparently hates her due to her politics, where as I dislike her due to her personality and attitude; her politics are the only thing about her I respect.

 

So retract my previous statement about me and Xil agreeing.

I actually hate her for both.

[Gwydden]

I actually hate her for both.

You know, it is funny, how subjective things can be. I usually like more self-centered characters, both roleplaying them and interacting with them. So when it comes to the reasons I just can't seem to like her, this one doesn't even cross my mind.

 

Just out of curiosity, what exactly would you like her to do? As a mage, that is.

[Xilizhra]

You know, it is funny, how subjective things can be. I usually like more self-centered characters, both roleplaying them and interacting with them. So when it comes to the reasons I just can't seem to like her, this one doesn't even cross my mind.

 

Just out of curiosity, what exactly would you like her to do? As a mage, that is.

She attained a position of power and privilege far beyond that which most other mages could ever see; I would think she should use this to help them, but it seems she cares nothing for that.

[J-Reyno]

I feel it's way too soon to say that Vivienne is only Pro-Circle for -purely- selfish reasons.  It is definitely possible to be both selfish and have good intentions.  And anyone who claims to not be selfish at times is, quite frankly, lying.

 

I'm sure she absolutely wants to keep her power since most people in power do.  Why wouldn't she?  It probably wasn't a cakewalk for her to acquire her position, why should she just give up on it?  Isn't it possible that her position is entirely deserved?

 

But I can say this about Vivi, while she may love her fabulous clothes and her social status, she's definitely not afraid to get out there and fight.  Unlike many in power she isn't limited to hiding behind her authority, which is where I really separate her from the typical association of "players" in the game.  Vivienne's not all glam, and as she says herself, she is never truly out of her element.

 

Last, I'm a little biased because I want to like her.  I expect her to be an ally, but she puts me a little on edge because I can see the potential of coming to blows with her should we ever disagree, or even that she might try to play the inquisitor given the opportunity.  She seems like a woman that would know her cards well, so hopefully it won't come to that.  But I guess that's what makes her interesting to me.  Unlike many companions she doesn't come off as conveniently landing in the inquisitor's pocket.  I think that's a good thing, if nothing else.

[AresKeith]

She attained a position of power and privilege far beyond that which most other mages could ever see; I would think she should use this to help them, but it seems she cares nothing for that.

 

So because she's pro-Circle and doesn't care for the Mage Rebellion, she doesn't care for any mage what so ever?

[Zeldrik1389]

It's kinda funny seeing all the love / hate stuffs tbh.

 

For instance, normally I would say I hate people like Morrigan. Such a ****** she is. Yet when I play DA:O, romancing her was pretty awesome, and imo she was one of the best written characters in that game.

Before DA2 came out, I thought Anders was pretty cool. Then again, now I hate that crazy, whiny, emo freak with a burning passion. 

 

So opinions can change I guess. It's too early to decide whether you hate or love Vivi. Maybe when you actually talk and get to know her, your opinion about her will change, who knows.

[EmissaryofLies]

She attained a position of power and privilege far beyond that which most other mages could ever see; I would think she should use this to help them, but it seems she cares nothing for that.

 

You've got it all wrong. She IS trying to help them...Right back into their circles.

 

I'm so disappointed, I hope it isn't true.  

[Gwydden]

She attained a position of power and privilege far beyond that which most other mages could ever see; I would think she should use this to help them, but it seems she cares nothing for that.

Why should she? Being a mage doesn't automatically means she's part of some club.

 

Also, I feel the need to emphasize I am trying to frame this as friendly debate.

[The Elder King]

She attained a position of power and privilege far beyond that which most other mages could ever see; I would think she should use this to help them, but it seems she cares nothing for that.

I wonder in the early GI coverage they assumed what she'd be, if things have changed (doubful, since her nickname came out right after it) or if there's simply more to what the blog said.

[EmissaryofLies]

Didn't Lambert want to 'drag the mages back to their cages'? 

[The Elder King]

Didn't Lambert want to 'drag the mages back to their cages'?

Yes.

[Xilizhra]

So because she's pro-Circle and doesn't care for the Mage Rebellion, she doesn't care for any mage what so ever?

The odds of her doing so are markedly reduced.

 

 

Why should she? Being a mage doesn't automatically means she's part of some club.

 

Also, I feel the need to emphasize I am trying to frame this as friendly debate.

You'd be disagreeing with most of Thedas, then. And thank you for the note.

[AresKeith]

You've got it all wrong. She IS trying to help them...Right back into their circles.

 

I'm so disappointed, I hope it isn't true.  

 

Right, because all Mages should be for the Mage Rebellion 

[LobselVith8]

So because she's pro-Circle and doesn't care for the Mage Rebellion, she doesn't care for any mage what so ever?

If you're planning a pro-mage run, then Vivienne could come across as someone who may hinder your efforts.

For those of us who find the Chantry controlled Circles to be morally repugnant, then it may color how some view Vivienne if she makes it clear she's looking to restore the status quo.

Personally, I'll wait to hear her out, even though the status quo simply isn't an option for my canon run.

[Gwydden]

You'd be disagreeing with most of Thedas, then. And thank you for the note.

What most of Thedas thinks is not necessarily right. I personally don't like the implication that sharing a random trait with a group of people automatically means you owe them something.

[Xilizhra]

What most of Thedas thinks is not necessarily right. I personally don't like the implication that sharing a random trait with a group of people automatically means you owe them something.

I see it as a matter of caring for one's community. Sort of like how I consider it fair for rich people to pay higher taxes.

[Ryzaki]

Right, because all Mages should be for the Mage Rebellion 

 

Course man! Warm bed, food to eat. All mages would've had that if not for the evil of the circles.

 

(Seriously though that's why my elf mage is pro circle. She had her first few years in a alienage. The circle was a welcome cage to that cesspit).

[AresKeith]

I see it as a matter of caring for one's community. Sort of like how I consider it fair for rich people to pay higher taxes.

 

And Vivienne doesn't agree with everything the mage rebellion does, the same with any other Pro-Circle

[Gwydden]

I see it as a matter of caring for one's community. Sort of like how I consider it fair for rich people to pay higher taxes.

But what if one doesn't see them as his/her community, just some people he/she happens to have something in common with, something that isn't even a matter of choice?

 

Maybe it's just that I see responsibility as something only you can take.

[renfrees]

You'd be disagreeing with most of Thedas, then. And thank you for the note.

I somehow suspect that most of Thedas disagree with you on that point.

[EmissaryofLies]

Right, because all Mages should be for the Mage Rebellion 

 

If they had any real sense of what their masters are willing to do to them at any time they would.

 

But I digress, as you would put it 'I never said that'. 

[J-Reyno]

If you're planning a pro-mage run, then Vivienne could come across as someone who may hinder your efforts.

For those of us who find the Chantry controlled Circles to be morally repugnant, then it may color how some view Vivienne if she makes it clear she's looking to restore the status quo.

Personally, I'll wait to hear her out, even though the status quo simply isn't an option for my canon run.

 

One thing I disagree with is that Pro-Circle automatically assumes the status quo.

[Xilizhra]

And Vivienne doesn't agree with everything the mage rebellion does, the same with any other Pro-Circle

And thus I consider her an adversary, unless she takes no position and does nothing regarding the rebellion.

 

 

But what if one doesn't see them as his/her community, just some people he/she happens to have something in common with, something that isn't even a matter of choice?

 

Maybe it's just that I see responsibility as something only you can take.

I believe that those who seek power must shoulder responsibility when they attain it, and she most definitely sought it.