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The only reason why I don't think it's this, is because there's an approval system still. ME didn't have that with their romances so it was more plausible to romance an NPC. Unless we bring them out, how can we bring up the rating? And we can't given them gifts because they're an NPC. How would we do that?
So, yeah, that's why I doubt they're taking a page from Mass Effect's book.
Didn't they state that there will be no more visible approval?
Didn't they state that there will be no more visible approval?
I thought they said that the rivalry is gone but they're going back to something like DA:O approval
I thought they said that the rivalry is gone but they're going back to something like DA:O approval
I think I heard that there will be no more numbers, but maybe that was a speculation as well.
To be honest, I don't really like NPC romances. They're inherently less involved than companion romances. If they are in the game, I hope they're at least bisexual/playersexual romances. In ME3 it really sucked that one of only two male/male relationship options was a non-party member.
On another note, even though I didn't initially expect Cassandra, I think she's a more interesting choice for a love interest. It's not very often that they assume people will want to romance the "tough" chick, like Aveline was. It could still be Vivienne instead of Sera, though.
Aye. He wrote two companions. He wrote two romances. Therefore, any companions he wrote are romancable.
To be honest, I don't really like NPC romances. They're inherently less involved than companion romances. If they are in the game, I hope they're at least bisexual/playersexual romances. In ME3 it really sucked that one of only two male/male relationship options was a non-party member.
Same
To be honest, I don't really like NPC romances. They're inherently less involved than companion romances. If they are in the game, I hope they're at least bisexual/playersexual romances. In ME3 it really sucked that one of only two male/male relationship options was a non-party member.
On another note, even though I didn't initially expect Cassandra, I think she's a more interesting choice for a love interest. It's not very often that they assume people will want to romance the "tough" chick, like Aveline was. It could still be Vivienne instead of Sera, though.
I would be a bit sad, if some of the limited romance options will be an NPC for pretty much the same reasons.
I rather like the concept of NPC romances, even if I feel they haven't been implemented very well yet. I don't think that's a reason to abandon them, rather, I feel it's a call do do better.
I think there's something to be said for the story potential of a relationship where the two parties aren't on equal footing. Something where our love interest isn't a trained warrior, rogue, or mage who's fully prepared and capable of fighting down the hordes of the beyond with us. Don't get me wrong, I do like those kind of relationships, but there's nothing wrong with having some variety, and the drama that comes from one partner knowing their significant other is going into life or death situations and they can't directly help protect them is something worth exploring.
I also think that, however many romance options there are out of the companions, having all the romance options be companions just feels limiting to me. This is more a personal thing; I tend to look for romance outside my core group of friends and always out side of work. Your party is essentially a combination of your best friends and your coworkers, so being limited to that pool to select a love interest from makes me feel like my character needs to go out and meet new people.
Sometimes I like the NPCs romance. I like the feeling of my love one seeing me off in battle instead of putting themselves in harm way, and giving my character something to come back home to.
So about that Vivienne..
I rather like the concept of NPC romances, even if I feel they haven't been implemented very well yet. I don't think that's a reason to abandon them, rather, I feel it's a call do do better.
I think there's something to be said for the story potential of a relationship where the two parties aren't on equal footing. Something where our love interest isn't a trained warrior, rogue, or mage who's fully prepared and capable of fighting down the hordes of the beyond with us. Don't get me wrong, I do like those kind of relationships, but there's nothing wrong with having some variety, and the drama that comes from one partner knowing their significant other is going into life or death situations and they can't directly help protect them is something worth exploring.
I also think that, however many romance options there are out of the companions, having all the romance options be companions just feels limiting to me. This is more a personal thing; I tend to look for romance outside my core group of friends and always out side of work. Your party is essentially a combination of your best friends and your coworkers, so being limited to that pool to select a love interest from makes me feel like my character needs to go out and meet new people.
Lol this exactly, but I'm out of likes!!
I rather like the concept of NPC romances, even if I feel they haven't been implemented very well yet. I don't think that's a reason to abandon them, rather, I feel it's a call do do better.
I think there's something to be said for the story potential of a relationship where the two parties aren't on equal footing. Something where our love interest isn't a trained warrior, rogue, or mage who's fully prepared and capable of fighting down the hordes of the beyond with us. Don't get me wrong, I do like those kind of relationships, but there's nothing wrong with having some variety, and the drama that comes from one partner knowing their significant other is going into life or death situations and they can't directly help protect them is something worth exploring.
I also think that, however many romance options there are out of the companions, having all the romance options be companions just feels limiting to me. This is more a personal thing; I tend to look for romance outside my core group of friends and always out side of work. Your party is essentially a combination of your best friends and your coworkers, so being limited to that pool to select a love interest from makes me feel like my character needs to go out and meet new people.
I agree with this completely.
We should probably take this to the romance thread, instead of clogging up Vivienne's.
I hope she is a romance, if only so that all those who actually want to romance her get the chance.
So long as Cass is also an LI.
I'm not totally opposed to the idea of NPC romances. Mostly these two things are important to me concerning them;
1.) They shouldn't take up a slot where a certain gender or sexuality gets shut out of companion romances and they shouldn't basically be a harem for straight men, either. Mass Effect basically drowned straight guys in love interests. The only same-sex interests were NPCs. That's an awful way to handle the situation. Thus, keeping the NPCs as bisexual/playersexual and outside the gender/sexuality count for companion romances best fits. There needs to be an equal number of NPC males/females, or at least a pretty close tally, and they need to be available to everyone, or at least of equal distribution, if they want to make that many.
2.) They don't count as a slot INSTEAD of a companion romance. I'm not willing to give up one of the four standard companion romances for an NPC romance. If they want to tack on a couple NPCs on top of the four usual companions, fine by me.
I'm not totally opposed to the idea of NPC romances. Mostly these two things are important to me concerning them;
1.) They shouldn't take up a slot where a certain gender or sexuality gets shut out of companion romances and they shouldn't basically be a harem for straight men, either. Mass Effect basically drowned straight guys in love interests. The only same-sex interests were NPCs. That's an awful way to handle the situation. Thus, keeping the NPCs as bisexual/playersexual and outside the gender/sexuality count for companion romances best fits. There needs to be an equal number of NPC males/females, or at least a pretty close tally, and they need to be available to everyone, or at least of equal distribution, if they want to make that many.
2.) They don't count as a slot INSTEAD of a companion romance. I'm not willing to give up one of the four standard companion romances for an NPC romance. If they want to tack on a couple NPCs on top of the four usual companions, fine by me.
Not true. Kaidan could be romanced by Male Shepard in Mass Effect 3. And Liara is...complicated.
Aye. He wrote two companions. He wrote two romances. Therefore, any companions he wrote are romancable.
May I say something?
1, Knowing Gaider, I suspect it was something he said to throw us off. Not necessarily mean he was lying though, he didn't say 2 romances under his care are COMPANION romances, no? So it could be either NPC romance (if they decide to bring that back) or a "fling" (sort of one night stand or w/e, It still counts as "romantic activities"). It's still pretty early, and they haven't confirmed anything yet so imo, nothing is certain.
2, I think NPC romance is awesome. It's actually a realistic approach though. In real life, many soldiers have to leave their loved ones behind and follow their call of duty. Imo, the idea of having someone they love waiting back home gave them strength and the will to survive and come back. Also they can explore the pain of characters that have to stay behind and can't join their love in battles. This offers new and interesting experience to players. I admit, the scene when Sam and FemShep said their good bye was pretty touching. They should bring that back.
just my 2 cents though 
Not true. Kaidan could be romanced by Male Shepard in Mass Effect 3. And Liara is...complicated.
Sorry, I meant the only same-sex specific interests. The only homosexuals.
Some people have said they want playersexuality/bisexuality tossed out for a 2/2/2 system. The worst case scenario I can see for that is one or both of the same-sex specific interests being pushed off on the NPC romances basically every time, like they were in ME3.
Viviene's shaved head doesn't bother me - just look at Jack from the ME series.
However, the reveal of what Viviene looks like without a hat is what stuck out to me - she seems to have a rather large forehead. The space from where her eyes are to where her hairline is is a lot of open space.
Not to say it is ugly or off-putting, just that it seemed very out of place.
You know, the fact that Jack grew hair for ME3 was one of the things that disappointed me about her overall arc between the games. For a 'emotional healing/maturity arc', the games as a whole pretty much skipped over the healing and maturation- the hair change, grown out with no forewarning or foreshadowing, just drives into me how the message was 'she's better now!'
While still falling back on 'bald is crazy, longer in ponytail is healthy(er).' Figure.
I've changed my mind. Now, I'm sure Vivienne won't bi an LI. Don't ask, I don't know. It just happened. I already feel the power of Sera and she hasn't been revealed yet lol. Well, there's still the friendship relationship, or headcanon If I can't be satisfied with any LI. But I doubt, I'm easy to please in general. What I do know however, it's that it's unlikely that Vivienne leaves my party in one playthrough.
You know, the fact that Jack grew hair for ME3 was one of the things that disappointed me about her overall arc between the games. For a 'emotional healing/maturity arc', the games as a whole pretty much skipped over the healing and maturation- the hair change, grown out with no forewarning or foreshadowing, just drives into me how the message was 'she's better now!'
While still falling back on 'bald is crazy, longer in ponytail is healthy(er).' Figure.
1.She has a moehawk now.
2. The entire point her making her self bald head was to push people away.
Off note:Ironically, in ME3 the Shepard I romanced her with went for a buzz cut in me3 while she grew hair and in ME2 he had longer hair while she was bald.
Why does Vivienne look so amazing? I can't stop looking at concept art and screens of her. 
If she isn't an LI, I think I'll be rather disappointed. But Cassandra, Sera, and hopefully a fourth female companion (in a party of nine, there must be!) seem like equal competition. I reckon the Inquisitor would have to acquire a lot of grace, style and social standing for a shot with Vivienne.
I can't wait to see her banter with Solas, considering she looks stylish in every image, whilst he seems to be running around in long-johns! 
She is really fabulous looking. In both ways that I use that word: Fabulous as in really amazing; and "fabulous with a snap" as in Work Gurl! fabulous. Although it might be because I've been watching a lot of Drag Race reruns on Logo......
I just can't stand her fashion. It's so ridiculous, so impractical.
I think she's a beautiful woman, and I get why she wears these horrendous clothes, I just think she'd look so much better in something more simple.
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