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[sandalisthemaker]

In your opinion. We know nothing of Solas.

 

Solas bows his head in shame, knowing that his bald head is like the moon: a pale, cratered imitation of the radiant sun that is Vivienne's splendor.

[Hellion Rex]

Methinks Sandal has a little crush.

[The Elder King]

Solas bows his head in shame, knowing that his bald head is like the moon: a pale, cratered imitation of the radiant sun that is Vivienne's splendor.

We'll see Sandal .

[The Elder King]

Methinks Sandal has a little crush.

I'm surprised he didn't say that the Maker should toss Andraste and take Vivienne as His bride .

[sandalisthemaker]

We'll see Sandal .

 

That we shall.

[wright1978]

Actually I read the letter as being an underlying threat to the Nevarran that he didn't want to attend Duke Gaspard's invitation.  Gaspard is looking for support and foriegn support from Nevarra would undermine Celene.

 

Comtesse Montbelliard is the wife of one of Gaspard's supporters I believe.  Vivienne's power is currently connected to Celene.

Cheers for this, On closer re-reading with this info in mind i've changed my mind somewhat. Still fence though.

[Will-o'-wisp]

Actually I read the letter as being an underlying threat to the Nevarran that he didn't want to attend Duke Gaspard's invitation.  Gaspard is looking for support and foriegn support from Nevarra would undermine Celene.
 
Comtesse Montbelliard is the wife of one of Gaspard's supporters I believe.  Vivienne's power is currently connected to Celene.

This actually makes me appreciate that letter a lot more. I still think the insults were kinda unnecessary, but if her true Intention was keeping him away from Gaspard they may only have been a way of luring him into believing, she didn't want him at the Party because of his low rank (and maybe drinking escapades)... eventhough I'm not quite sure why Vivienne would host a Party where Gaspard's supporters are welcome and invited. Or well... I could imagine some reasons, but that would probably lead to far right now.

 

Good find and an interesting perspective on the letter.

[MisterJB]

I think Vivienne and my Inquisitor will have such a dysfunctional relationship. On one hand, she will represent that which I fear the most in DA: politically powerful mages.
On the other, I can certainly agree with her stated goals of restoring law and order, opposing the rebellion and saving lives.

I find myself at a loss for a reaction.

[Sylvianus]

Politics in Dragon age are going to be very interesting. I wasn't sure that Vivienne was close to Celene, now we know. Wonder if she feels loyal to the empress of if she's only interested by her power connected to her. 

[wcholcombe]

This actually makes me appreciate that letter a lot more. I still think the insults were kinda unnecessary, but if her true Intention was keeping him away from Gaspard they may only have been a way of luring him into believing, she didn't want him at the Party because of his low rank (and maybe drinking escapades)... eventhough I'm not quite sure why Vivienne would host a Party where Gaspard's supporters are welcome and invited. Or well... I could imagine some reasons, but that would probably lead to far right now.

 

Good find and an interesting perspective on the letter.

hmm on that score I don't know exactly.  I had missed the part about being host for the party, though that could just be her trying to manipulate him as he wouldn't know who the host was anyway.

 

I may have overanalyzed it...

[Sylvianus]

On the other, I can certainly agree with her stated goals of restoring law and order, opposing the rebellion and saving lives.

 

 

I agree on the goals restoring law,  saving lives, and if possible bringing justice everywhere I could for my inquisitor. For the rebellion, I wait to see the situation in game.

[Mistic]

On one hand, she will represent that which I fear the most in DA: politically powerful mages.
On the other, I can certainly agree with her stated goals of restoring law and order, opposing the rebellion and saving lives.

I find myself at a loss for a reaction.

 

That's what makes her interesting, don't you think so? A mage with political power, appreciated and influential, the dream of many mages, the fear of many Templars. But she's also lawful, doesn't want the rebellion and wants to bring order. Many mages would call her traitor, many Templars would agree with her.

 

And then fashion. Because Orlais

[MisterJB]

Of course, I am most interested in having a conversation with her and that is what is important at this stage.

[Sylvianus]

I wonder where her limit is drawn about the mages though. Not supporting a rebellion doesn't mean that the inquisitor could do whatever he'd like with the mages. If my inquisitor decides to support some templars against mages to kill them ? Will I lose some points ? She's lawful, but she's still a mage. 

[Mistic]

I do wonder where her limit is drawn about the mages though. Not supporting a rebellion doesn't mean that the inquisitor could do whatever he'd like with the mages. If my inquisitor decides to support some templars against mages to kill them ? Will I lose some points ? She's lawful, but she's still a mage. 

 

The Inquisitor will probably lose points in that case. In DA:Ocharacters could put up with it until the protagonist did something especially egregious for them, so I suppose the same will happen in Inquisition.

[Sylvianus]

I must admit that politics didn't interest me, but now I'm suddenly excited by the civil war in Orlais and How Vivienne is probably going to play a big role in the sh*tstorm.

[Gwydden]

The Inquisitor will probably lose points in that case. In DA:Ocharacters could put up with it until the protagonist did something especially egregious for them, so I suppose the same will happen in Inquisition.

I doubt she will care. Again, the fact that she's a mage doesn't mean she feels attachment towards other mages, and it seems like she regards the rebels, and likely all those who have gotten in the templars' bad side, as fools.

[MisterJB]

I'd hope Vivienne would be able to look beyond the mage association if need be. If the Inquisitor orders the execution of mages who surrendered, I'd expect you'd lose points with her.

On the other hand, if we discovered some mages who were using blood magic to force the people of a remote village to shelter them, she might pose no opposition to seeing some heads roll.

[renfrees]

I doubt she will care. Again, the fact that she's a mage doesn't mean she feels attachment towards other mages, and it seems like she regards the rebels, and likely all those who have gotten in the templars' bad side, as fools.

I get the vibe, that birthright or social status is one of the least concerns to her. What she is looking for, is if you are helping, or you are in the way of her goals.

[wcholcombe]

If DAI follows similar party character story developement to DAO, I can see Viviene changing to being very Mage conscious.  But they may have an entirely different system by now.

[AresKeith]

If DAI follows similar party character story developement to DAO, I can see Viviene changing to being very Mage conscious.  But they may have an entirely different system by now.

 

I actually hope we don't drastically change their views like that

[wcholcombe]

I actually hope we don't drastically change their views like that

agreed.  The whole  I hate and have no use for this-being changed into it is the most important thing in my existence is a little contrived.

[Lambdadelta]

I think Vivienne is going to be somewhere in the middle, actually- mages won't be a major priority, but she won't be entirely apathetic either. I think she'd have a degree of sympathy and attachment to them, as a group of people she is also part of and she undoubtedly experienced the difficulties that come with being one in her time, but her biggest priorities will come before those sympathies. Or perhaps she will care but also deliberately downplay and try not to show this on the surface, so as not to show any potential enemies a weak spot they could take advantage of. I(n fact, I think she, in general, would not openly expose anything that might ever in any way potentially be used by an enemy as ammunition against her, even something minor.)

[Potato Cat]

I think she'll take a harsh stance on blood mages, and mages who are otherwise ruining the reputation of other mages, but I think she'll support helping the good ones. I don't think she'll start attacking us for our treatment of mages unless it starts to get really extreme, and the same goes for the treatment of the other side, but there might be another issue that takes precedence. Like the Orlesian Civil War. She may not be too happy of us supporting Gaspard since as Celene's Enchanter, she's more or less thrown her lot in with her. Then again, she's Vivienne. Surely she can twist it her way.

[Maria Caliban]

I doubt she will care. Again, the fact that she's a mage doesn't mean she feels attachment towards other mages, and it seems like she regards the rebels, and likely all those who have gotten in the templars' bad side, as fools.

I find the idea that Vivienne doesn't care about other mages perplexing. If she was raised in a Circle, then the majority of her teachers, friends, and lovers would be mages. If she were a senior enchanter, it would be because the other mages felt her suitable for the position. As a first enchanter, part of her duties are to act as an advocate for mages and to guide their Circle.

If the situation in the Orlesean Circle is as political as they say, not caring about mages (or at least not believably acting as though she did) would be a serious liability.