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[Hellion Rex]

'Wearing impractical clothing' doesn't mean that Vivienne is impractical in general. Likewise, Cassandra doesn't seem that practical. She comes off as aggressively idealistic.

They're both politically conservative. Cassandra has lived with and worked for Orlaisians for some time, and is the Hero of Orlais as well as the Right Hand of the Divine.

If I were a mage with political aspirations who lived in Orlais, do you know who'd I want to be friends with? The Right Hand of the Divine.

I'd be surprised if they haven't encountered one another before. Vivienne's a First Enchanter of Orlais, so she's probably met the Divine as well as Cass and Leliana.

[Grieving Natashina]

I'd be surprised if they haven't encountered one another before. Vivienne's a First Enchanter of Orlais, so she's probably met the Divine as well as Cass and Leliana.

Gimmie back my brain cell, you!

[Potato Cat]

'Wearing impractical clothing' doesn't mean that Vivienne is impractical in general. Likewise, Cassandra doesn't seem that practical. She comes off as aggressively idealistic.They're both politically conservative. Cassandra has lived with and worked for Orlaisians for some time, and is the Hero of Orlais as well as the Right Hand of the Divine.If I were a mage with political aspirations who lived in Orlais, do you know who'd I want to be friends with? The Right Hand of the Divine.

I think they'll disagree over the little things. Not the big things. I'm predicting a sort of Isabela/Aveline relationship, albeit much more toned down.

[Maria Caliban]

No doubt.  Plus, there is a decent chance the two worked together in the past.

That's an excellent point. They probably do know one another.

[Xilizhra]

I think they'll disagree over the little things. Not the big things. I'm predicting a sort of Isabela/Aveline relationship, albeit much more toned down.

It might be over some big things, like how much you should help other people.

[AresKeith]

It might be over some big things, like how much you should help other people.

 

I dunno, they might've agreed over the Crestwood choice 

[Grieving Natashina]

It might be over some big things, like how much you should help other people.

Somehow, I pictured Cassandra as every bit as pragmatic as Vivienne.  I don't think that's an issue and from the PAX demo, Cassandra was insisting on saving the Keep.  It was Varric that wanted to save Crestwood.  

 

That being said, Cassandra doesn't seem to have the penchant for cruelty that Vivienne appears to have.  I think it's too early to how cruel Vivienne truly is, and she could be a lot less prickly in game.  However, there is no doubt that she's got one helluva mean streak.

[Potato Cat]

It might be over some big things, like how much you should help other people.

Well while Vivienne seemed pretty quiet in the demo, given what we know of her character, I think she'd agree more with Cassandra in the Village Or The Keep situation, if indeed Vivienne cares at all. I also think they'd have some agreement over the Mage/Templar issue, if Cassandra's that bothered by it. But mostly, they both seem pretty ends justify the means.

[Hellion Rex]

I dunno, they might've agreed over the Crestwood choice 

I think they did actually, if I remember correctly. One definite time I'll tell them both to shut the hell up. I'll save both, no matter how many tries it takes.

[Grieving Natashina]

I think they did actually, if I remember correctly. One definite time I'll tell them both to shut the hell up. I'll save both, no matter how many tries it takes.

..Did I mention I need my brain cell back?

 

That was exactly what I was thinking too when I saw the PAX footage.  That is, if the game allows us to do so.

[Maria Caliban]

I don't think either of them are going to voice a Morrigan-like view where stopping to help a town fend off a horde of zombies earns you disapproval. There might be more disagreement when it comes to sacrificing in order to do good.

Example:

The Inquisitor hopes to become allies with a Baron who can supply the young Inqusition with veteran soldiers to train our recruits. We learn that the Baron's daughter is selling elves into slavery in order to help pay off debts. The Inquisitor chooses to arrest the Baron's daughter, which angers the Baron and you lose those veteran soldiers.

Vivienne - disapprove, Cassandra - approve.

The Inquisitor doesn't arrest the daughter, but uses the information to blackmail the Baron into giving us even more aid.

Vivienne - approve, Cassandra - disapprove.

[Hellion Rex]

I don't think either of them are going to voice a Morrigan-like view where stopping to help a town fend off a horde of zombies earns you disapproval. There might be more disagreement when it comes to sacrificing in order to do good.

Example:

The Inquisitor hopes to become allies with a Baron who can supply then young Inqusition with veteran soldiers to train our recruits. We learn that the Baron's daughter is selling elves into slavery in order to help pay off debts. The Inquisitor chooses to arrest the Baron's daughter, which angers the Baron and you lose those veteran soldiers.

Vivienne - disapprove, Cassandra - approve.

The Inquisitor doesn't arrest the daughter, but uses the information to blackmail the Baron into giving us even more aid.

Vivienne - approve, Cassandra - disapprove.

That's a very strong example actually. Well put, Maria. In that case, I guess my Inquisition will have to suffer that loss, lest their be a third option in which we could tackle the situation.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I think the way Gaider writes, you'll have to swallow some tough decisions. He's gone on record that he wishes they never wrote the Connor quest, for example, with that copout by going to the Circle. DA2 seemed like a reaction to this.. like he wanted a new direction that pushed you into tighter situations. He said the same thing about his playthrough of ME3 as well, saying the Geth/Quarian peace wasn't the way he'd do things. That it'd be an either/or situation. I think he'll keep going in this direction.

Don't be knocking of the Geth/Quarian Peace option, Mr. Gaider. That was one of my favorite moments in the game.

 

 

Made me smile so much.

[Master Warder Z_]

Don't be knocking of the Geth/Quarian Peace option, Mr. Gaider. That was one of my favorite moments in the game.

 

Considering i usually romanced Tali and actually despite me best intentions actually eventually softened on Legion, Yeah i'd say making them reach peace is for the best.

 

 

That said i was prepared to make a choice if i was forced as i always am.

[Master Warder Z_]

They make nice situational outcomes, but don't push the story forward in the bigger picture. They're just there to make you feel better for a couple of minutes.

 

Because life goes on after the crisis.

 

That's the lesson there.

[Xilizhra]

Geth/Quarian peace is a nice option, but like the Circle quest, it's an idealistic copout.

 

And one that seems isolated from the bigger issues. Despite making Geth/Quarian peace, it doesn't matter when it comes to the overall synthetic issue in the end. Just like getting mages and templars on working terms doesn't amount to anything either. They make nice situational outcomes, but don't push the story forward in the bigger picture. They're just there to make you feel better for a couple of minutes.

I don't believe that it's a copout at all, and would love to see more similar things in Inquisition. The only thing that prevents me from doing things like modding the game to let Leandra survive in DA2 is my hatred for breaking canon.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Geth/Quarian peace is a nice option, but like the Circle quest, it's an idealistic copout.

 

And one that seems isolated from the bigger issues. Despite making Geth/Quarian peace, it doesn't matter when it comes to the overall synthetic issue in the end. Just like getting mages and templars on working terms doesn't amount to anything either. They make nice situational outcomes, but don't push the story forward in the bigger picture. They're just there to make you feel better for a couple of minutes.

It's not a copout when you have work really hard at it. You need 5 out of 7 possible points. Mess up two things, and you're not eligible. You also need both Tali and Legion still alive.

 

And getting two fleets, the Geth also having the most powerful and the Quarians the largest fleets in the galaxy, does matter for the war effort. And that's ignoring the whole "Hey, let's not aid in genocide" parts of it. 

[LobselVith8]

I don't believe that it's a copout at all, and would love to see more similar things in Inquisition. The only thing that prevents me from doing things like modding the game to let Leandra survive in DA2 is my hatred for breaking canon.

I don't understand forsaking the approach of multiple outcomes, such as the dilemma of Connor's possession, for the alternative in railroading the protagonist down a linear, unhappy path. Leandra getting killed by a one-dimensional lunatic because she was identical to his dead wife (cue soap opera cliche) isn't the kind of storytelling I want to see in Inquisition.

[Grieving Natashina]

I don't believe that it's a copout at all, and would love to see more similar things in Inquisition. The only thing that prevents me from doing things like modding the game to let Leandra survive in DA2 is my hatred for breaking canon.

Is there a mod to keep Leandra alive?  You've got me curious now.

[RynJ]

Don't be knocking of the Geth/Quarian Peace option, Mr. Gaider. That was one of my favorite moments in the game.

 

 

Made me smile so much.

 

Agreed. I'm not a fan of this compulsion to make every single decision and outcome "dark". I actually want to win every now and then when I play video games. There should always be an option that "wins". If I want a disappointing ending, I'll look at real life events. It was this kind of forceful pushing into dark "realistic" territory that made people so bitter towards the endings of DA2 and ME3. It wasn't that there was a bad or semi-bad ending, it was that this was the ONLY ending. I like fostering some compromise here and there without the world ending as a consequence!