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[DarthCaine]

SMG are like Uzi

However, there IS a Light Machine Gun that's held like an assault rifle

[Willie_on_Wheels]

This is a video game which I suspect was not made by gun nuts. They are held like pistols in the videos, and that's an aesthetic choice that you'll just have to live with. Sorry.

[andrewv42]

I would like there to be energy swords and plasma pistols PL0X.

[wikkedjoker]

andrewv42 wrote...

I would like there to be energy swords and plasma pistols PL0X.

nice:wizard:

[Agent_0range]

fellow gun-nut here. I to find this kind or irritating, but beggars cant be choosers. its the future man, I'm sure there's a slightly reasonable explanation.

[Aradace]

DarthCaine wrote...

SMG are like Uzi
However, there IS a Light Machine Gun that's held like an assault rifle

Actually MP5's are considered among the SMG catagory and held like ARs so not ALL SMGs are held like uzis FWIT.

[Fuzzyrabbit]

It's easier for them to class them as SMGs, but they are essentially machine pistols. Also, it's hard to compare modern weapons to those of a futuristic setting where lighter materials, among other changes, come into play.

[Haasth]

It varies a lot between models whether or not they are hold like rifles or as pistols. (Uzi, P90, Vector, MP5 etc)
Mass Effect 2 seems to go with the more machine pistol variants, it makes sense... it's the future and you can expect stuff to be even more compact at that point.

Perhaps different SMG variants are hold like rifles in ME2. I think we have only seen one?
Regardless, can't please everyone.

And yes, Assault Rifles and Light Machine Guns are very different from SMG's and do not serve the same purpose. 
If you want a SMG-like gun, you'll have to go with what we got. (Personally I don't really like SMG's a lot and prefer Assault Rifles (Preferably burst or semi) and Sniper Rifles.)

Modifié par Haasth, 21 janvier 2010 - 03:52 .

[IrishSpectre257]

In the Sentinel video, Shepard is using an SMG that is held like an AR.

[Krilral]

The ones that look like pistols are the machine pistols. I think people hold the real SMG realistically enough.

[TuramH]

Agent_0range wrote...

fellow gun-nut here. I to find this kind or irritating, but beggars cant be choosers. its the future man, I'm sure there's a slightly reasonable explanation.

A space wizard did it 

[Aradace]

Haasth wrote...

It varies a lot between models whether or not they are hold like rifles or as pistols. (Uzi, P90, Vector, MP5 etc)
Mass Effect 2 seems to go with the more machine pistol variants, it makes sense... it's the future and you can expect stuff to be even more compact at that point.

Perhaps different SMG variants are hold like rifles in ME2. I think we have only seen one?
Regardless, can't please everyone.

And yes, Assault Rifles and Light Machine Guns are very different from SMG's and do not serve the same purpose. 
If you want a SMG-like gun, you'll have to go with what we got. (Personally I don't really like SMG's a lot and prefer Assault Rifles (Preferably burst or semi) and Sniper Rifles.)

I prefer the MP5 myself simply because it's easier to get the ammuntion.  Seeing as how it uses basic 9mm rounds instead of 5.56ers

[SpideyKnight]

Not going to hold it against you, but as a gun nut you should understand the advantages that railguns/coilguns have. The weapons in the mass effect universe are more akin to these weapons than the standard ballistic kind that we have now. No mixing of lead, coal, etc... here. What that means for people who don't know: the standard weapons in ME should have little to almost no recoil, even on assault rifles. Once you have almost entirely taken recoil out of the equation, you could hold a mp5 like weapon in one hand, with their biotic and neural enhancements, the average soldier is probably a bit stronger than our average soldiers as well. Making such a thing even easier. Then when you factor in that the combat suit has it's on suite of advantages it makes the probability of one handing smg's in the future seem rather tame in the realism department, in comparison to all the other off the wall stuff that's happening.

[Aradace]

SpideyKnight wrote...

Not going to hold it against you, but as a gun nut you should understand the advantages that railguns/coilguns have. The weapons in the mass effect universe are more akin to these weapons than the standard ballistic kind that we have now. No mixing of lead, coal, etc... here. What that means for people who don't know: the standard weapons in ME should have little to almost no recoil, even on assault rifles. Once you have almost entirely taken recoil out of the equation, you could hold a mp5 like weapon in one hand, with their biotic and neural enhancements, the average soldier is probably a bit stronger than our average soldiers as well. Making such a thing even easier. Then when you factor in that the combat suit has it's on suite of advantages it makes the probability of one handing smg's in the future seem rather tame in the realism department, in comparison to all the other off the wall stuff that's happening.

Yersh...I understand this completely...I spent many MANY hours during the first game going over and over all of the Tech Codex entries alone until I understood them completely lol

[Leonick91]

Aradace wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

SMG are like Uzi
However, there IS a Light Machine Gun that's held like an assault rifle

Actually MP5's are considered among the SMG catagory and held like ARs so not ALL SMGs are held like uzis FWIT.

most SMGs are held like an AR... the uzi is more of a machine pistol anyway

[Aradace]

Leonick91 wrote...

Aradace wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

SMG are like Uzi
However, there IS a Light Machine Gun that's held like an assault rifle

Actually MP5's are considered among the SMG catagory and held like ARs so not ALL SMGs are held like uzis FWIT.

most SMGs are held like an AR... the uzi is more of a machine pistol anyway

Aye, tis true.

[Jarmelopt]

Agent_0range wrote...

fellow gun-nut here. I to find this kind or irritating, but beggars cant be choosers. its the future man, I'm sure there's a slightly reasonable explanation.

I actually asked if any of the guns were based on real life models and I got a pretty clear no on that.

[blank1]

SpideyKnight wrote...

Not going to hold it against you, but as a gun nut you should understand the advantages that railguns/coilguns have. The weapons in the mass effect universe are more akin to these weapons than the standard ballistic kind that we have now. No mixing of lead, coal, etc... here. What that means for people who don't know: the standard weapons in ME should have little to almost no recoil, even on assault rifles. Once you have almost entirely taken recoil out of the equation, you could hold a mp5 like weapon in one hand, with their biotic and neural enhancements, the average soldier is probably a bit stronger than our average soldiers as well. Making such a thing even easier. Then when you factor in that the combat suit has it's on suite of advantages it makes the probability of one handing smg's in the future seem rather tame in the realism department, in comparison to all the other off the wall stuff that's happening.

Sorry buddy, but this isn't how the world of physics works. Just because coil or rail based abduction technology doesn't use chemical propellants does not mean they have no recoil -- for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. If you magnetically push a slug out of a barrel, it let's say its force is 10,000 newtons, it will push back with an equal force of 10,000 newtons. That's just physics. No such thing as "no recoil." There are inertial dampeners you could use perhaps, but even a space wizard can't eliminate physics.

[lokiarchetype]

DarthCaine wrote...

SMG are like Uzi
However, there IS a Light Machine Gun that's held like an assault rifle

http://world.guns.ru.../uzi-micro2.jpg

There are two-handed uzi's

Edit: Actually that appears to be a foldable stock, but you could probably use it as a second handle... *cough*

ahh, here we go, different model http://www.ted-kyte....tures/UZI 2.jpg this has a grip-section along the front

Modifié par lokiarchetype, 21 janvier 2010 - 05:47 .

[casedawgz]

I thought I saw a 2 handed SMG in the Sentinel vid, but I was under the impression that Adepts got them as well, and in Adept related videos I've seen them with two pistols- a high caliber one and a machine pistol. Leaves me very confused as to what's actually in the game. Hoping for the former, an MP5ish or UMPish kind of gun.

[Wrex.the.next.spectre]

www.youtube.com/watch

SMGs are not necessarily uzis. Such as the MP5. Watch this video, and you will see two different SMGs that are held like an AR.

[uv23]

Leonick91 wrote...
most SMGs are held like an AR... the uzi is more of a machine pistol anyway

The mini Uzi yes, but not the standard Uzi. I've fired a standard Uzi and I'd probably have killed myself or nearby wildlife had I tried firing it with one hand.