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[Toasted Llama]

Before you grab your torches and pitchforks, I want to say this:

No, your Warden's face won't show up.

No, your Warden won't speak.

No, your Warden won't be a companion.

No, your Warden won't be playable.

Yes, your Warden CAN have a potential cameo.

 

All information that would be needed for this idea are: Your Warden's race (origin is irrelevant), gender and LI (if (s)he has one). And your Warden has to be alive, of course.

 

So with all the rumors going on about the GW's being complete and utter d*cks and basically going all darkside-ish, especially when the First Warden is "impressed" by the HoF (Hero of Ferelden) becoming arl...thingie... of Amaranthine. Or whatever. Yeah. That important role. In short, First Warden = suspicious.

 

Sooooo all of a sudden I got an idea how you can have the Warden play an not-so-important-yet-still-relevant-and-somewhat-important role in Inquisition. The idea is this:

 

The Inquisitor receives a letter something among the lines of "Greetings Inquisitor, I've found myself in the unfortunate position to request for your aid. I cannot say more, for I it will endanger my life as well as yours. If you are willing to help me, please seek out <LI's name goes here. If no LI was romanced, the Ferelden's ruler name goes here> and ask for my letter. Signed, the Hero of Ferelden". It's formally written, which makes the Warden's personality completely irrelevant, allowing the Warden to keep whatever personality they were supposed to have. The Warden's name isn't mentioned either.

 

The letter will trigger a quest and in that quest you have to find the LI or Ferelden's ruler and retrieve the letter. You can also deny the letter and claim it to be "fake" if you do not wish to meet your Warden. Boom, problem solved for those who don't want to meet their Warden at all. The Warden not being able to tell you more information because that would endanger their life, is also the reason why they have "disappeared". They needed to disappear because if anyone knew their location, they would be killed.

They would then receive the letter from the LI/Ferelden's ruler after a brief conversation maybe mentioning some things here and there, the LI/Ferelden's ruler saying they failed to find the HoF because the HoF found them instead and then disappearing again because they didn't want to endanger the life of their LI/Ferelden's ruler, yadda yadda yadda.

 

The HoF then reveals in this letter that he/she has uncovered the plans of the First Warden to create an empire/country/something for the Wardens and take a more active role in politics, even outside of a blight. As well as some other evil stuff that I can't think of right now. First Warden =  Evil McEvilpants and the Warden has made it their mission to kill the First Warden before they can engage their plan. This would also give the Inquisitor, should the mission succeed, the GW's as allies.

 

The Inquisitor then has to assassinate some high ranked GW's that are conspiring with the FW himself. So there will be some more quests to do, with certain conditions that have to be met and some more formal letters from the HoF (sent directly to the Inquisitor because there won't be mentioned any sensitive information).

If you succeed to kill those high and mighty peeps, the HoF comes into action and will infiltrate Weisshaupt fortress disguised as a regular GW soldier (While wearing a helmet because, obviously, they cannot be recognized. BOOM. No need for your Warden to show his/her face!). After that, a cutscene will trigger where the FW is having some sort of a meeting. The HoF will emerge from the crowd of Wardens and throw the murder knife to the FW to kill him. Then the HoF flees to the forest, obviously chased/hunted by other GWs.

 

After this event you will find another letter that was sent just before the mission/cutscene, stating that the HoF is unsure whether or not they will survive and they ask you to send an attached letter/note to their LI/Ferelden's ruler. You can then decide to actually do this yes or no and if you do, the LI/Ferelden's ruler will mourn the loss of the HoF and have a funeral/memorial/burial/thingie for the HoF, though without a body because the body is never found (no need to show the face, race, gender whatever! Yay!)

BOOM, the mission ends, the Wardens restore order, discover the FWs plan and thank you (and the HoF) for ending the conspiracy. As a thanks they offer their men for your army.

 

Now you might think; BUT WHAT IF MY WARDEN DIED?! D:

 

Well, then Beardy McBeardface the Grey Warden companion will take the place of the HoF. "But then he dies!" you might think. Nu-uh. Depending on the approval rating you have with him, he survives. (Let's say, more than 75 friendship/rivalry for example).
This will also happen if you claim the letter from the HoF to be fake; allowing you to do the mission without having to 'meet' your Warden.


.So this is my idea/an example of how Bioware can still make the Warden appear, WITHOUT breaking anyone's canon! (Though your head-canon may not survive lol but then again; you can simply claim the letter to be fake)

[Knight of Dane]

This is not the Warden showing up in inqusition. This is the warden sending some generic letters and a generic uniformed Grey Warden saying that s/he's the Grey Warden.

 

What's the point of the cameo if you won't meet your Warden? Anything that makes him yours is basically stripped away in this approach.

This is the worst possible Warden appearance in Inqusition.

[Toasted Llama]

This is not the Warden showing up in inqusition. This is the warden sending some generic letters and a generic uniformed Grey Warden saying that s/he's the Grey Warden.

 

What's the point of the cameo if you won't meet your Warden? Anything that makes him yours is basically stripped away in this approach.

This is the worst possible Warden appearance in Inqusition.

Showing the Warden in the most generic way is the only way the Warden would ever be able to show up in Inquisition. Any form of decision being made means that Bioware shapes the Warden and people will get upset, saying either that their Warden doesn't talk like that, doesn't act like that, doesn't do stuff like that etc. etc. etc. Anything that happens to the Warden which cannot be fully controlled by the player itself, will strip away everything that made the Warden yours. And Bioware themselves have even said the Warden is no longer yours to begin with. After DA:O is over; the Warden becomes an NPC, in Bioware's possession, not yours.

Unless ofcourse, you know of a better way to add the Warden to the Inquisition, then be my guest. (Though don't start the discussion whether the Warden will show up or not, I'm personally on the fence when it comes to that and this is merely an idea that came to mind how Bioware COULD handle it IF the Warden would show up)

[Knight of Dane]

I don't want any of my Wardens to appear simply because it wouln't be my warden. Bioware can't possibly regard all the choices from the first game.

[LPPrince]

Anyway, Bioware's already made their decision regarding The Warden's appearance or lack thereof in Inquisition.

[Maria Caliban]

The Warden is a horribly twisted darkspawn we encounter in the Deep Roads. We put them down without even knowing this pathetic, mindless creature was once the Hero of Ferelden.

 

Much pathos.

[Pasquale1234]

I don't want any of my Wardens to appear simply because it wouln't be my warden. Bioware can't possibly regard all the choices from the first game.

 

Which is precisely why, if I choose to play the game, I will treat any appearance of the Warden as an alternate universe Warden.
 

[KC_Prototype]

No! I want my Warden to show his face, I want him to speak! SPEAK!

[Ash Wind]

I don't need to see the Warden again, hearing about them is another story. Its kind of weird but when I read Asunder, there was a particular satisfaction when the Hero of Ferelden was just mentioned, like this mythical hero that you knew the back-story to. I'd be fine with some cool references, but I don't need to see/hear/play my Warden again.

[KaiserShep]

No! I want my Warden to show his face, I want him to speak! SPEAK!

Inquisitor: You're the Hero of Ferelden! We've searched high and low for you, you know.

Warden:

Inquisitor: Not the talkative type, I take it...

Warden:

Cassandra: ....

Varric: ....

Warden: I...

Random NPC fleeing for his life: Darkspawn! Maker preserve us!!

[Kirrahe1]

The Warden is a horribly twisted darkspawn we encounter in the Deep Roads. We put them down without even knowing this pathetic, mindless creature was once the Hero of Ferelden.
 
Much pathos.

First off that is just brilliant. I do like the idea of someone outside of the cave saying "You have to rescue the Hero of Ferelden! She/he is down there! " Or whatever.

Then we end up fighting a horrible twisted Darkspawn boss! Now that would be a cool ending! Commander Shepard would be most served.

[Mes]

Showing the Warden in the most generic way is the only way the Warden would ever be able to show up in Inquisition. Any form of decision being made means that Bioware shapes the Warden and people will get upset, saying either that their Warden doesn't talk like that, doesn't act like that, doesn't do stuff like that etc. etc. etc. Anything that happens to the Warden which cannot be fully controlled by the player itself, will strip away everything that made the Warden yours. And Bioware themselves have even said the Warden is no longer yours to begin with. After DA:O is over; the Warden becomes an NPC, in Bioware's possession, not yours.

Unless ofcourse, you know of a better way to add the Warden to the Inquisition, then be my guest. (Though don't start the discussion whether the Warden will show up or not, I'm personally on the fence when it comes to that and this is merely an idea that came to mind how Bioware COULD handle it IF the Warden would show up)

 

I think your idea would actually be the safest route. Otherwise would the Warden even LOOK remotely the same as you remembered him/her? I nearly didn't recognize my Shepard at the start of ME3 because the face had imported so... differently. 

[darkchief10]

Anyway, Bioware's already made their decision regarding The Warden's appearance or lack thereof in Inquisition.

This, we can only hope that bioware does good and that these shiny new forums won't be burning down come fall.

[Kirrahe1]

I think your idea would actually be the safest route. Otherwise would the Warden even LOOK remotely the same as you remembered him/her? I nearly didn't recognize my Shepard at the start of ME3 because the face had imported so... differently.

I remember watching an interview (I think it was Ladyinsanity) about the keep and one of the guys working on it said that there really wouldn't be anyway to transport what your warden looked like into the new game. So I think it would have to stay a general thing.

[Silfren]

I'm not sure I understand the point of this.  There are any number of stories Bioware could write in order to make a REFERENCE to the Warden, which is what you're actually talking about here, not an actual cameo at all, and which really isn't all that different from the way the Warden was referenced in DA2 already.  But it's not as though Bioware is going to be looking at these forums for ideas from fans on how to do it, so....? 

[LPPrince]

This, we can only hope that bioware does good and that these shiny new forums won't be burning down come fall.

 

We'll see. I'm under the assumption he/she won't be directly involved, as its safe.

[superdeathdealer14]

Remember this ain't Dragon Age: The Warden Returns, this is Dragon Age Inquisition oh sure they may or may not make an appearance but BioWare has already made the decision so we ain't gonna know till we play the game.

[Toasted Llama]

I'm not sure I understand the point of this.  There are any number of stories Bioware could write in order to make a REFERENCE to the Warden, which is what you're actually talking about here, not an actual cameo at all, and which really isn't all that different from the way the Warden was referenced in DA2 already.  But it's not as though Bioware is going to be looking at these forums for ideas from fans on how to do it, so....? 

Well I wasn't really expecting Bioware to look to the forums for ideas, it was more of an idea that came to my mind I felt like sharing.


And for those who are screaming "I DON'T WANT MY WARDEN TO APPEAR": get out. This post is not about whether the Warden appears yes or no, it's merely talking about an idea in a what-if situation where the Warden would be confirmed to show up in the game. And I'm not saying that WILL happen. And yes; I'm also aware that Bioware already made their decision, but that doesn't mean you can still speculate about it, considering they haven't posted the details/decision themselves.

[wright1978]

I don't need to see the Warden again, hearing about them is another story. Its kind of weird but when I read Asunder, there was a particular satisfaction when the Hero of Ferelden was just mentioned, like this mythical hero that you knew the back-story to. I'd be fine with some cool references, but I don't need to see/hear/play my Warden again.

 

 

Yep agree completely. I'm very much behind teh notion of references to the Warden and to Hawke for that matter. All the suggestions regarding them appearing sound utterly horrendous for people who have played as these characters and utterly weak for any newcomer.

[Silfren]

Well I wasn't really expecting Bioware to look to the forums for ideas, it was more of an idea that came to my mind I felt like sharing.


And for those who are screaming "I DON'T WANT MY WARDEN TO APPEAR": get out. This post is not about whether the Warden appears yes or no, it's merely talking about an idea in a what-if situation where the Warden would be confirmed to show up in the game. And I'm not saying that WILL happen. And yes; I'm also aware that Bioware already made their decision, but that doesn't mean you can still speculate about it, considering they haven't posted the details/decision themselves.

 

You're mistaken, though.  You're not presenting a scenario in which the Warden shows up in the game, as a cameo or otherwise.  I'm not sure why you're so determined to present it as such. 

[BobZilla84]

This Idea seems a safe route to bring back The Warden but it would probably just causea as much uproar this way unfortunately personally I really don't need The Warden to appear again because in my opinion his/her story was wrapped up rather nicely after Origins/Awakening and Witch Hunt.

 

But I say again I believe it is Hawke that needs to be brought back and done right by because that character was sabotaged badly in DA2 and it probably could have been saved and wrapped up in the Exalted Marches Expansion but we all know how that turned out and thats is why I want Hawke to be given a large part in Inquistion to make up for that joke of a character arc and story.

[Sakanade]

The way I would love to see it work would be something along the lines of:

Your Warden (if alive) was captured by the legions of Demons / Agents working to breach the fade. 
And then through 4 years of relentless mental battering succumbed to a powerful new demon.

Thus changing his / her appearance and giving them a voice not their own.

And then killing them in a huge boss fight.

[The Elder King]

The way I would love to see it work would be something along the lines of:
Your Warden (if alive) was captured by the legions of Demons / Agents working to breach the fade. 
And then through 4 years of relentless mental battering succumbed to a powerful new demon.
Thus changing his / her appearance and giving them a voice not their own.
And then killing them in a huge boss fight.

Good one, but I prefer my Cory-Warden theory.

[Toasted Llama]

You're mistaken, though.  You're not presenting a scenario in which the Warden shows up in the game, as a cameo or otherwise.  I'm not sure why you're so determined to present it as such. 

Well I guess it depends more on what you see as a cameo. Even a simple cutscene with the Warden throwing the murder knife could be considered a cameo, which is how I see it. (A cameo could be as little as a familiar character cylcing in the background of scene) If you think that a cameo needs to have interaction and all that jazz, then yeah it's not a cameo.

 

Having that said, besides gerenalized to the complete and utter maximum, there is no other way to display the Warden. At least, I haven't seen someone else show a better route. Besides the Warden turning into a monster/epic bossfight which, somehow is still somewhat of a generalisation.


Aaaaaaand to everyone else that claims this is a bad way to show the Warden: Well... you might be right plus I never said it was a good way , more like the only way I could possibly even think of.

[Mclouvins]

The proper way to handle this is when the party invariably meets Flemeth she has too piles of bones at her feet, one for the Warden and Hawke. She then summons her troll army under the command of a troll named Gavid Daider who proceeeds to taunt you in a way that resembles giving someone the bird.