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[SwobyJ]

 

For starters, Bostrom's assertion can be boiled down to "it's theoretically possible that lots of simulations could be made, therefore the weight of numbers places us inside one of them". Except he doesn't consider how likely it is that a universe simulation would ever get started. I'd say it's ridiculously unlikely that anyone would ever amass enough computing power to simulate what we perceive as the universe.

 

It's more that its an 'inevitability', to people who believe this.

 

It wouldn't be decades, centuries, or even millenia (or more) from now, but at SOME point, there would be the technology to do a couple key things:

1)Manipulate the existing known universe in 'godlike' fashion

2)Create other virtual universes that replay the same basic story

 

If this is an inevitability, the 'chance' of us being a virtual universe is, to this idea, incredibly higher than us being a 'real' one.

 

So the 'singularity' concept is sometimes that:

1)At some point, Intelligence is made that can manipulate time/space

2)This Intelligence creates universes that is seeded with the concept of 'God'

3)The beings inside these universes aspire to 'surpass God'

4)This eventually creates Intelligences within these universes

5)Which then again, creates other universes, etc etc etc

 

It's sort of a 'if it could happen, at some point it will happen' idea, which roundabouts to the logic that yeah, if it could happen, it's more likely that we are one of those many many many simulations, than not.

 

I don't actually believe it, but I do find it somewhat interesting and more than enough to try to deal with it in the sci fi genre. In fact, a lot of the genre involves this.

 

Of course this doesn't even get into time travel, but I guess there's more the assumption that time can't be 'traveled', but just 'is', as code which can be manipulated.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

The idea of multi-verses may be in question. It was a question that was actually supposed to have some sort of answer but I'm guessing they're still studying the data, or it didn't come out the way they expected and they still don't know **** about it. So the question about 1+1=3 region is still up in the air.

[SwobyJ]

TBH we've barely left the Earth so to understand multiverses is a tough task.

 

It is, however, easier at least in sci fi lit to understand multiverses as just simulations upon simulations. At least this way, there's a 'layering' that keeps other complications from popping up, imo.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

It's just that they were observing particles last August that were entering a supermassive black hole and the spin on the particles were supposed to validate an either or situation regarding whether many worlds version of quantum mechanics exists or not with string theory to answer the question. A friend of mine has the web site link, and as of two weeks ago there was still no follow up. I guess they're still writing the papers.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

If anything, the original endings prove they're not ready for more ambitious undertakings.

 

Nothing wrong with staying in your comfort level, playing to your strengths.

 

 

Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

[Massa FX]

Oh people. I've already speculated about this in an off, and way off-aside post months ago. (this may have nothing to do with the OP. if so, apologies)

 

In my speculation, we learn in ME4 that "the Shepard" is a N7 training simulation that allows candidates to choose their path. Destroy cadets are loyal. They follow orders and are capable of making decisions. They are slotted for high command posts. Control cadets are leaders with an edge. They are possible Spectre candidates because they are best working alone and getting things done despite the personal cost. Synthesis cadets are slotted for long space exploration tours. They tend to get along with all species and do well in fostering good will. Ambassadors if you will.  Refuse cadets get to take the exam again. They tend to be the rebels.

 

"the Shepard" is simply a tool. A sorting program (like harry potter's sorting hat) for N7 candidates. 

 

Congratulations! You've completed your training! Now the real game begins.

 

edit: sometimes I can spell. sometimes not. (blush)

[SwobyJ]

Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

 

lol its positions like that which make me get a bit of where Synthesizers are coming from

I dunno, like I've said before, it's like everyone's got their own piece of the puzzle in their own way.

 

Why wouldn't Bioware try to challenge themselves? Because they got burned? ME3 probably made the most money- at least with MP packs involved. lol

 

Oh people. I've already speculated about this in an off, and way off-aside post months ago. (this may have nothing to do with the OP. if so, apologies)

 

In my speculation, we learn in ME4 that "the Shepard" is a N7 training simulation that allows candidates to choose their path. Destroy cadets are loyal. They follow orders and are capable of making decisions. They are slotted for high command posts. Control cadets are leaders with an edge. They are possible Spectre candidates because they are best working alone and getting things done despite the personal cost. Synthesis cadets are slotted for long space exploration tours. They tend to get along with all species and do well in fostering good will. Ambassadors if you will.  Refuse cadets get to take the exam again. They tend to be the rebels.

 

"the Shepard" is simply a tool. A sorting program (like harry potter's sorting hat) for N7 candidates. 

 

Congratulations! You've completed your training! Now the real game begins.

 

edit: sometimes I can spell. sometimes not. (blush)

 

Yeah I've heard of this before and talked with others about it.

 

I wouldn't be absolutely opposed to the (more general version of the) idea.

 

But I also don't think it would be like 'next game ('ME4') you're the candidate that woke up' or whatever.

 

It's more that ME1 onward (+ whatever other games) is the simulation that future N7 candidates (species selection?) utilize for testing.

 

But in my view, that'd be yearrrrrs from now and maybe at least 1-2 more games into the future.

 

For now, I'd instead say we're getting our 'one more story' about THE Shepard. Not 'Commander Shepard' or 'Shepard', but the result of our 'work' - the Reaper. Whatever gets up from rubble will be a new entity, just Breath Destroy is the closest to the Shepard we knew. But then again, if we follow many more traditionalist modes of thought, even Shepard from ME2 was a different entity then ME1's.

 

Or let me put it this way: You want your Shepard that romanced Miranda (for example) to meet her again? Pick Breath Destroy to do something closest to that. Pick Low-High Destroy to do something that resembles that. Pick Control to be someone who'll have at least memories of our Miranda. Pick Synthesis to just go 'whatever' to it, as you clearly rushed your Shepard towards death anyway.

 

I also see it a bit as a 'Dark and Light world' deal. In the Light world, 'Purgatory', ME2-3, we were in a virtual layer (ME2) and world (ME3) which can carry its effects into the Dark world, the 'real physical one'.

So yeah, the 'real' other Miranda may still be stone cold. But we know her. We know her history now, and we achieved miracles, even if it was eventually in a realm in a Reaper (as according to this thread).

 

I have another post and song to share.

[SwobyJ]

 

[Part I (Wanderer of Time)]

So mysterious is your world,
concealed beyond the stars
Far away from the earth,
it flows one with time and dark as the night
Million shapes and colours
are storming inside your mind
Creating endless dimensions
Forming universes without walls

Let go! of the stars, the stars that fell into the sea
Let go! of your thoughts and dreams,
what can you see now

You cannot save them anymore
- Wanderer of time -
It's too late now
- Creator of Dimensions -
Destroy the walls of time
Hands of the blind are holding your fate
Tides of life will take you away, will take you away

Starchild!
Visions are born from the unknown force
It dominates the way of time
The dream only ends, when the worlds come to an end
Starchild!
You cannot escape to the dark streams of the sea,
to suppress your dreams
Nothing can keep you away from the need to create
'cause your path is free...

 

[Part II (Burning Star)]

I've hold the fire within myself
Years I've walked in the coldest winds
Through the deserts of sand and snow
The time is passing and I know,
that I'm wasting my life, destroying my dreams
I'm diving into the bottomless sea
From sorrow and pain I find my strength
the more pain I feel, the more I see
Now I'm watching my life flowing in the dark
like streams of fear running through my heart
And it's wearing me down until I'm gone
Soon I'll join the endless whirls of stars
And I fall deeper into the unknown voids
Something is dying, yet something is born
And I fall into infinity like a burning star
When will I find my silent dawn
I fall like a burning star!

 

[Part III (The Creation)]

The curtains of mist are fading
and the veils of star clouds are revealed
Storms of new energy
flows in the depths of my mind
New constellations are born
in total harmony of perfection
And the dissonant unbalance was broken
as the colours fell straight from the light

 

[Part IV (The Sea of Stars)]

I'm floating in the sea of stars,
I'm drifting away from the shore
I will be lost in the dream when the dark days come
But I will make the time run backwards and
I'll make the stars shine again
I will light up the sky to a bright crimson nights
... And they'll shine together forever
With brilliant silver colours they'll shine forever

 

[Part V (Finale)]

The whirls of stars takes you now far away
away from the cold nightmare
Let go of you thoughts and dreams
and you will feel the warmth once again
Starchild! in the Sea of Stars you fall
You fall like a burning star!
Starchild! in the Sea of Stars you fall
... But there is no end to creation