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[mikeymoonshine]

I am really interested in the idea of a qunari mage and how on earth we will be able to be an inquisitor. 

 

No this isn't about the idea that you couldn't possibly have one as the inquisitor because of  attitudes towards elves, mages and Qunari. We have already been over that and I am sure Bioware will have come up with a reason. 

 

What interests me though is, where on earth does this qunari mage come from? It's been said that all the qunari characters will be vashoth so we won't be of the qun. 

 

I can't imagine a community of tal-vashoth being able to train a mage though. In DA2 Anders said that it was hard to find good training outside the circle. He didn't make it sound like any random mage could train others well enough (like to Hawke's level for example). 

 

So I have a few theories about how it might be explained but I don't know that much about the lore and I am interested in other people's idea's. So what do you all think? 

 

[Zered]

Renegade Tevinter slave?

[mikeymoonshine]

Renegade Tevinter slave?

 

Another one? 

[TheLittleBird]

Well considering the both the Circles of Magi and the Templar Order have broken off from the Chantry at least a few years before the game begins, I don't doubt we'll see the whole situation around mages and mage training has changed over these few years. 

Also, to clarify, we are not Tal-Vashoth, only Vashoth. So maybe our Qunari isn't even involved with other "Kossith" (as how I will refer to the horned people most know as Qunari)

[Master Warder Z_]

I am sure it will be explained and if not then well i suppose it really doesn't matter.

[mikeymoonshine]

Well considering the both the Circles of Magi and the Templar Order have broken off from the Chantry at least a few years before the game begins, I don't doubt we'll see the whole situation around mages and mage training has changed over these few years. 

Also, to clarify, we are not Tal-Vashoth, only Vashoth. So maybe our Qunari isn't even involved with other "Kossith" (as how I will refer to the horned people most know as Qunari)

 

Yes but we are meant to be at least 25 years old i think. Mages need more than three years training. 

 

Plus who said we couldn't be tal-vashoth? 

[mikeymoonshine]

I am sure it will be explained and if not then well i suppose it really doesn't matter.

 

I'm sure it will too but I wondered what people thought about it. Didn't seem like it was discussed as much when it was announced because everyone was just arguing about whether or not any qunari at all could be the Inquisitor. 

[TheLittleBird]

Yes but we are meant to be at least 25 years old i think. Mages need more than three years training. 

 

Plus who said we couldn't be tal-vashoth? 

 

Well, Gaider has stated we won't be "True Grey Ones" (Tal-Vashoth). We'll just be ox-men not following the Qun.

Plus, I think I read somewhere the game is set 10 years after the ending of Dragon Age ][, so in 9:47 I think. The Mage-Templar War officially started in 9:40. But I don't know for sure when the game takes place, so don't take my word for it. 

[KainD]

A group of Tal-Vashoth settled down as a tribe in Ferelden dalish style. You were born as a Vashoth mage and have been taught by one of the tribe shamans ( ex-Saarebas ). The big bad comes and kills your tribe, you survive and join the inquisition. 

[mikeymoonshine]

Well, Gaider has stated we won't be "True Grey Ones" (Tal-Vashoth). We'll just be ox-men not following the Qun.

Plus, I think I read somewhere the game is set 10 years after the ending of Dragon Age ][, so in 9:47 I think. The Mage-Templar War officially started in 9:40. But I don't know for sure when the game takes place, so don't take my word for it. 

 

Ah, ok then. DA2 is ten years of time and Inquisition is about three or four years after that (i think) not sure if it's been confirmed though. I'm pretty sure It's not gonna be a huge amount of time after the whole war kicks off though. 

[mikeymoonshine]

A group of Tal-Vashoth settled down as a tribe in Ferelden dalish style. You were born as a Vashoth mage and have been taught by one of the tribe shamans ( ex-Saarebas ). The big bad comes and kills your tribe, you survive and join the inquisition. 

 

That could be the case but would a qunari saarebas be able to teach another mage that well? Aren't they supposed to be not as good at teaching their mages? Also as I said Anders makes it seem like it takes an exceptional apostate mage to teach outside of the circle. 

[KainD]

That could be the case but would a qunari saarebas be able to teach another mage that well? Aren't they supposed to be not as good at teaching their mages? Also as I said Anders makes it seem like it takes an exceptional apostate mage to teach outside of the circle. 

 

They teach their mages somehow to be able to cast spells and not get possessed in the first place. And it seems their Saarebas are pretty strong. 

[TheLittleBird]

Ah, ok then. DA2 is ten years of time and Inquisition is about three or four years after that (i think) not sure if it's been confirmed though. I'm pretty sure It's not gonna be a huge amount of time after the whole war kicks off though. 

 

Well actually Dragon Age 2 is 7 years if you don't count the Varric/Cassandra Interrogation. Yeah, I guess the game won't kick off much after the start of the war but my guess it will have manifested itself pretty firmly throughout Thedas.

[Master Warder Z_]

They teach their mages somehow to be able to cast spells and not get possessed in the first place. And it seems their Saarebas are pretty strong. 

 

While their training likely differs greatly in focus from say the circles within the Imperium or Thedas it probably would be comparable at least in some formats of education.

[Spectre slayer]

Well, Gaider has stated we won't be "True Grey Ones" (Tal-Vashoth). We'll just be ox-men not following the Qun.
Plus, I think I read somewhere the game is set 10 years after the ending of Dragon Age ][, so in 9:47 I think. The Mage-Templar War officially started in 9:40. But I don't know for sure when the game takes place, so don't take my word for it.

Uh that's a little to far, Game informer said it was slightly over 10 years since the end of DAO ( the end of the blight) which ended in 9:31 dragon , Laidlaw said it was post Asunder and after the interrogation of Varic which took place in 9:40 dragon so DAI starts around 9:41 dragon.

Ah, ok then. DA2 is ten years of time and Inquisition is about three or four years after that (i think) not sure if it's been confirmed though. I'm pretty sure It's not gonna be a huge amount of time after the whole war kicks off though.

Not officially but they did say all the stuff I mentioned and that Varic and Cassandra were travelling together for a little awhile before DAI began, and yes it looks to be about 4 years since Anders blew up the chantry.

10-11 year's since the end of the blight, 4-5 years since the end of DA2 when anders blew up the chantry not the interrogation as it begins shortly after that.

As for the thread hmm, a mercenary or a bodyguard or an assassin( possibly antivan crow or from another faction or something like that) or a thief, a passing tribe of Vashoth that was in the wrong place at the wrong time or was targeted gor the rouge/ warrior set.

The mage one one being hunted Tevinter or some other nation of faction, part of a tribe, a powerful Vashoth mage seeking aide or protection or was hired to help protect or teach someone or sabotage something.

There's a lot of possibilities and we really don't have that much information to go on.

[Jambie]

Maybe we'll be a circle mage. A bit anticlimactic and stretches my disbelief a little, but I'm sure if a Qunari mage was born in an Andrastian nation there's no reason the circle wouldn't train him/her.

[TheLittleBird]

Uh that's a little to far, Game informer said it was slightly over 10 years since the end of DAO ( the end of the blight) which ended in 9:31 dragon , Laidlaw said it was post Asunder and after the interrogation of Varic which took place in 9:40 dragon so DAI starts around 9:41 dragon.

 

Oh I'm sorry then I either misread something or the information wasn't transferred very well to other gaming news sites. My bad, thanks for clearing that up!
That makes a lot more sense as well than ten years after the events of Dragon Age ][. You made me a happy gamer  :)

[mikeymoonshine]

Maybe we'll be a circle mage. A bit anticlimactic and stretches my disbelief a little, but I'm sure if a Qunari mage was born in an Andrastian nation there's no reason the circle wouldn't train him/her.

 

Could be an interesting back story, You grew being different even within the circle. People don't trust you because of your race, then the war kicks off and you are flung into it. 

[mikeymoonshine]

Well actually Dragon Age 2 is 7 years if you don't count the Varric/Cassandra Interrogation. Yeah, I guess the game won't kick off much after the start of the war but my guess it will have manifested itself pretty firmly throughout Thedas.

 

Yeh you are right, plus the first year is the same year as the one origins takes place in I think.

 

Uh that's a little to far, Game informer said it was slightly over 10 years since the end of DAO ( the end of the blight) which ended in 9:31 dragon , Laidlaw said it was post Asunder and after the interrogation of Varic which took place in 9:40 dragon so DAI starts around 9:41 dragon.


Not officially but they did say all the stuff I mentioned and that Varic and Cassandra were travelling together for a little awhile before DAI began, and yes it looks to be about 4 years since Anders blew up the chantry.

10-11 year's since the end of the blight, 4-5 years since the end of DA2 when anders blew up the chantry not the interrogation as it begins shortly after that.

As for the thread hmm, a mercenary or a bodyguard or an assassin( possibly antivan crow or from another faction or something like that) or a thief, a passing tribe of Vashoth that was in the wrong place at the wrong time or was targeted gor the rouge/ warrior set.

The mage one one being hunted Tevinter or some other nation of faction, part of a tribe, a powerful Vashoth mage seeking aide or protection or was hired to help protect or teach someone or sabotage something.

There's a lot of possibilities and we really don't have that much information to go on.

 

seems about right, thanks for the clear up. 

 

Interesting theory. x

[ChaosMorning]

Also, to clarify, we are not Tal-Vashoth, only Vashoth. So maybe our Qunari isn't even involved with other "Kossith" (as how I will refer to the horned people most know as Qunari)

 

Oh?  

 

Oh wow, this is really good news! I wanted to be a Vashoth and not Tal-Vashoth (if I understand correctly, Tal-Vashoth have abandoned the Qun and actively oppose it while Vashoth have left the Qun and do not directly oppose it).

 

I remember it being stated that the Qunari would be Tal-Vashoth, could anyone show me where it was confirmed we're going to be Vashoth?

[Spectre slayer]

Oh?  

 

Oh wow, this is really good news! I wanted to be a Vashoth and not Tal-Vashoth (if I understand correctly, Tal-Vashoth have abandoned the Qun and actively oppose it while Vashoth have left the Qun and do not directly oppose it).

 

I remember it being stated that the Qunari would be Tal-Vashoth, could anyone show me where it was confirmed we're going to be Vashoth?

Here

 

Mary tells me that the PC would technically just be Vashoth. Either way, it's a distinction that's only going to be relevant to the Qunari themselves. Everyone else will simply say "Qunari", no matter where you were born.

 

http://social.biowar...ndex/17843581/1

[Sith Grey Warden]

Maybe the qunari Mage Inquisitor was trained in Tevinter, having been stolen from Qunari lands during a Tevinter raid and being raised in a Tevinter Circle.

 

Another possibility is being from Rivain. The Rivaini seem to be closer to the Dalish in their view of magic than to other Qunari or the Chantry. It's also likely that there are a few qunari stragglers in the area from the Qunari occupation, which makes it plausible that we could be a qunari raised in Rivain. That could make for an interesting backstory.

[Vulpe]

Maybe our character is just a normal qunari mercenary at the beginning, but after the Veil Tear something changes in him/her...

 

 

Lightning bolts and fire balls come out of his/hers *introduce an anatomical area of the body here* !

[Angarma]

It's been said that all the qunari characters will be vashoth so we won't be of the qun.

 

 

Eh? Where did you draw this from? Unless I've missed something somewhere, the Qunari Mage was formerly Saarebas:

 

 

@BioMarkDarrah wrote...
 

@ShiroTenshiRyu wrote...
 

@BioMarkDarrah wrote...
1. Qunari mages (both male and female) will be available

@BioMarkDarrah How would that work though? The Saarebas have handlers so how would you have a freed Kossith. An unbound Kossith mage ©

 

indeed

 

*source* (I'd think Mark Darrah accidentally skimmed over 'how' in that sentence, but do note "freed" seems to indicate former imprisonment).

 

 

As for the rest, I've gone into detail about it in my own thread here: http://forum.bioware...arebas-vashoth/

 

 

Spoiler

But due to the nature of Qunlat and my initially poor phrasing, the topic didn't hit off steadily (as in, the first responses were confusing).

Nevertheless, the subject boiled down to this - if a Qunari Mage came from the Qun as a Saarebas, how are they somehow a Vashoth?

 

Reading into lore surrounding Saarebas makes it incredibly unlikely one could leave peacefully (one definition of Vashoth), otherwise:

 

Why would a child of a Vashoth still be considered Vashoth to the Qunari? When it wasn't their choice?

 

For the other definition. My thoughts on this (to solve either issue) are these:

 

1) The formerly Saarebas is merely a 'Vashoth' now in name only (as a disguise). In reality, they're actually a Tal-Vashoth.

Either still being on the run from the Qunari or having escaped their Antaam completely (by political immunity perhaps?).

 

2) They escaped their handlers stealthily and have since completely eluded *any* confrontation from them.

Albeit (logistically) doubtful and makes one question why they don't naturally have the Rogue class as well.

[TheLittleBird]

Eh? Where did you draw this from? Unless I've missed something somewhere, the Qunari Mage was formerly Saarebas

 

In this thread David Gaider says the Qunari is Tal-Vashoth and then goes on to say (if you scroll down a little) that they technically are Vashoth. Funny, I saw your name in the thread as well. 

 

 

 

Mary tells me that the PC would technically just be Vashoth. Either way, it's a distinction that's only going to be relevant to the Qunari themselves. Everyone else will simply say "Qunari", no matter where you were born.