We also know that not all the oxmen exist within the Qun. There could well be a tiny backwater village of them that have never lived or maybe even heard of the Qun. We know that a tiny outpost of oxmen showed up in the Kocari Wilds way back during the first blight. Its not inconceivable that something similar has occurred and that the Vashoth character knows as little about the Qun as any Ferelden.
That would be very interesting tbh for any vashoth back story.
But you are described as exceptional so many times. Jowan, Cullen, other mages and apprentices, It's why Duncan recruits you. Also full mage or not you have already been fully trained. The only thing left to do was the harrowing and that was a test of resistance to demons not ability.
Exceptional potential is different from being exceptionally skilled. It is the difference between being a smart student and a professor. The student may well become more skilled with time, but they are not there yet. This is the reason you can start out as a level one scrub without there being too much disconnect. If you get built up as this exceptional force of awesome, and then get knocked on your ass by a generic bandit, it gets weird.
I think basic training is all that is needed at the start of the game.
Exceptional potential is different from being exceptionally skilled. It is the difference between being a smart student and a professor. The student may well become more skilled with time, but they are not there yet. This is the reason you can start out as a level one scrub without there being too much disconnect. If you get built up as this exceptional force of awesome, and then get knocked on your ass by a generic bandit, it gets weird.
I think basic training is all that is needed at the start of the game.
Now it just sounds like you are reaching to justify your opinion. Jowan remarks on how "Powerful" you are not how good you are in class. I'm not saying you are as powerful at the beginning of the game as you are at the end but I don't think you can really use the in game mechanics to measure how strong you are meant to be.
Duncan choosing you already shows that you are above at least the average mage.
What? I am a free mage? I was so looking forward to having my lips sewn shut, my tongue cut out, my horns sawed off and wearing a 200 pound chained collar! I want to be a true mage like Ketojan!
I wonder where a Vasoth mage,who doesn't follow the Qun would get his magical training.I know that in the qun the mages are made Sarebaas and are leashed so that they can't use their powers.But what about a mage who lives outside the Qun.I slightly doubt that they were sent to the circle but then again,you never know.
He/she could have been taught by an apostate.
He/she could have been taught by an apostate.
Until they announced the Qunari was going to be a Vashoth I had assumed that a mage Qunari would be newly minted. Close proximity to the Veil being torn asunder at the beginning awakenings new powers in the qunari and the new demand of the Qun for this qunari turned unwilling Saarebaas would be to try and fix it and make themselves as the ((whoever decides roles)) made them again.
Of course, now they have this easy Vashoth explaination...
But at least my headcanon could've covered a dwarven mage too.
I think being born to Tal Vashoth parents living Dalish style sounds the best. Then we are hired as muscle for some Ferelden/Orlesian noble at the conference.
He/she could have been taught by an apostate.
Good point, it's definitely something to ponder.
I'd love to know how the Qunari PC learned their skills, although I'd like to imagine he/she was raised by an ex-Enchanter that was more than likely Human (or even Elven) so when our PC was fully grown, they towered over their adopted parent/teacher.
a girl can dream.
Trained by a run-away saarebas or a rogue circle mage?
What if we're just a circle mage? If we are vasoth, then we might as well be the child of some random qunari labourer or mercenary in Orlais who was taken away by templars to one of the circles like any other mage. Not every origin has to grand and spectacular, especially since we're not going to play them as I understand.
What if we're just a circle mage? If we are vasoth, then we might as well be the child of some random qunari labourer or mercenary in Orlais who was taken away by templars to one of the circles like any other mage. Not every origin has to grand and spectacular, especially since we're not going to play them as I understand.
That is certainly a possibility but that would be an unusual origin in itself. As far as I know there has been no mention of Qunari in the cirlce but I am not brilliant on the lore so idk if there has been one mentioned before or not.
You would most likely be the only one and possibly the only member of your race you have ever seen.
Trained by a run-away saarebas or a rogue circle mage?
If I chant "rogue circle mage" maybe it'll become true.
If I chant "rogue circle mage" maybe it'll become true.
Only if you are, yourself, a rogue circle mage. That's how the magic works.
Only if you are, yourself, a rogue circle mage. That's how the magic works.
Maybe I am 
Most likely he or she will be child of Tal Vashoth. The Qunari mage will be born outside the Qun. I wonder though whether the Qunari Mage will end up in one of the circles as a child, or whether they'll be a hedge mage raised in the 'wild.'
I am really interested in the idea of a qunari mage and how on earth we will be able to be an inquisitor.
No this isn't about the idea that you couldn't possibly have one as the inquisitor because of attitudes towards elves, mages and Qunari. We have already been over that and I am sure Bioware will have come up with a reason.
What interests me though is, where on earth does this qunari mage come from? It's been said that all the qunari characters will be vashoth so we won't be of the qun.
I can't imagine a community of tal-vashoth being able to train a mage though. In DA2 Anders said that it was hard to find good training outside the circle. He didn't make it sound like any random mage could train others well enough (like to Hawke's level for example).
So I have a few theories about how it might be explained but I don't know that much about the lore and I am interested in other people's idea's. So what do you all think?
My understanding would be you grew up completely outside the Qun.
to clarify only the tal-vashoth refer to themselves as tal-vashoth, Its a self chosen title.
by Qunari Custom Vashoth is simple a Qunari that left Qun.
they don't make a distinction between tal-vashoth and vashoth.
So technically you would be Kossith, but overtime the name Kossith has stopped being referred as such, because of the way the Qun works and its integration the name has been lost to the ages to Qunari people.
my reasoning is simple you could not be Vashoth and not oppose the Qun as a mage, because all saarebas have a duty to top themselves upon leaving their leash.
unless your character is a complete Hippocratic he/she must at the very least oppose that part of the Qun. You would have more cause then most to take the Title of Tal-Vashoth to denote your opposition to self immolation.
or you have never been of the Qun you have no idea of the terms Vashoth or tal-Vashoth but Qunari just assume because your Kossith that you are Qunari (because they no longer use the term Kossith) and because your not following the Qun you are Vashoth.
the only problem is wouldnt you refer to yourself as Kossith not vashoth? or is Vashoth also a term thats been used to describe Kossith for a very long time, sort of like aussie, australian and skip. Being accepted terms for the same people, even by these people?
I am really interested in the idea of a qunari mage and how on earth we will be able to be an inquisitor.
No this isn't about the idea that you couldn't possibly have one as the inquisitor because of attitudes towards elves, mages and Qunari. We have already been over that and I am sure Bioware will have come up with a reason.
That reason being "you are special, so STFU world!"
The Qunari mage Inquisitor has no magical powers prior to The Veil Tear.
My understanding would be you grew up completely outside the Qun.
to clarify only the tal-vashoth refer to themselves as tal-vashoth, Its a self chosen title.
by Qunari Custom Vashoth is simple a Qunari that left Qun.
they don't make a distinction between tal-vashoth and vashoth.
So technically you would be Kossith, but overtime the name Kossith has stopped being referred as such, because of the way the Qun works and its integration the name has been lost to the ages to Qunari people.
my reasoning is simple you could not be Vashoth and not oppose the Qun as a mage, because all saarebas have a duty to top themselves upon leaving their leash.
unless your character is a complete Hippocratic he/she must at the very least oppose that part of the Qun. You would have more cause then most to take the Title of Tal-Vashoth to denote your opposition to self immolation.
or you have never been of the Qun you have no idea of the terms Vashoth or tal-Vashoth but Qunari just assume because your Kossith that you are Qunari (because they no longer use the term Kossith) and because your not following the Qun you are Vashoth.
the only problem is wouldnt you refer to yourself as Kossith not vashoth? or is Vashoth also a term thats been used to describe Kossith for a very long time, sort of like aussie, australian and skip. Being accepted terms for the same people, even by these people?
Yep I think it was already confirmed that we did and I know about the Vashoth/Tal-Vashoth thing.
Technically we would be Qunari 
Well a vashoth mage could ignore that duty and just decide to leave the qun (if they managed to) but as I said, we know we were never part of the qun. You are right words like Vashoth and Tal-Vashoth might mean little to you.
Maybe as you learn more about your people you could discover who you really are and all that.
You would probably still consider yourself Qunari because that is how others would view you. Kossith will most likely not be used in game and you won't know that word.
Kossith is only known by like a few priests and scholars. It's not known if it was a name for the race or just another societal name like "Qunari". Technically you are still qunari (i think) because you are affected by qunari culture simply by being that race but ofc the qunari would not refer to you as that. They may call you bas because you are an outsider or maybe vashoth (but you never actually left the qun so idk)
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