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[x-aizen-x]

The Warden and Hawke's stories are done.  I don't want them impinging on the Inquisitor's story, or anyone who might come after.

 

The fear that our characters won't be done justice is a very real, and very reasonable concern.  The last thing I want is for my former characters to be Sheparded when they should be enjoying a nice retirement.

Thats were your are horribly wrong. For the people who wardens went through the mirror with morrigan can you understand that someppeople want to know what happend. morrigan is back so i want to know what became of my warden and the ogb

[x-aizen-x]

 

David Gaider on Hawke and the Warden reappearance.-'Just as an addendum to this: Yes, those who are concerned will need to 

come to terms with the idea that Hawke and/or the Warden may appear in 

DAI. If so, they will not be under your control.

 

As I have said previously, we'll respect the decisions that were made-- but those are 

actual decisions that were in the game, not things one imagines them 

doing after the game was over. As with other choices, those decisions 

may not have results that you imagined.

 

But neither are we going to contradict them. Meaning that, if your former PC was in a romance, we

are not suddenly going to give them a new romance or say that romance 

never existed.

 

We are not, however. going to outline exactly how 

these characters will appear-- if they do-- or what they will or won't 

be doing. That's part of the plot.If someone is determined that they 

definitely don't want to see them at all, or simply doesn't trust us to 

not have things happen which are wildly contradictory to 

previously-established events, then now would definitely be the time to 

panic.'

 

Also heres a tweet.

@davidgaider Can you confirm weather or not a hawke or warden appearance is still up for debate. Or has it been scraped?

 

@Glo_rez It's not up for debate, that much is true

 

You decide.

 

I was the one who tweeted that to him.

[Knight of Dane]

I'm just not interested in Bioware slaving those charatcers into something I can not control, and I don't beleive they can accomodate for all choices.

 

Maybe they could for Hawke, but I don't find Hawke interesting enough regardless.

[KR96]

I'm not worried too much about all this. I figure that if the Warden and Hawke are a part of the game, I'd be able to have some input through The Keep. Nothing too extensive mind you, but I'd at least like my Warden to be the same race as he was originally. 

[wright1978]

No thanks i shaped them (at least the warden) and i see very little reason to destroy my character just to see random npc on his place not even being smiliar to them... it can't be done correctly at least not with modern resources... 
 
I think that making 1000 thread about the warden and hawke is more immature...

Yep pretty much sums up my view.

[AlanC9]

I don't see any value in putting them in, or in doing the work to get their appearances right if they do show up.

 

But if Bio actually has a good reason, they'll do it.

[PrinceofTime]

I was the one who tweeted that to him.

I know, i got it from your old thread dude.

[Rotward]

I'm not worried too much about all this. I figure that if the Warden and Hawke are a part of the game, I'd be able to have some input through The Keep. Nothing too extensive mind you, but I'd at least like my Warden to be the same race as he was originally. 

 

Oh right, the keep. Yea, their personalities would be completely lost, since we're using the keep this time. Yea, I'd much rather not see some mutilated version of my old PC unless there's some reason they need to be there. 

[KR96]

Oh right, the keep. Yea, their personalities would be completely lost, since we're using the keep this time. Yea, I'd much rather not see some mutilated version of my old PC unless there's some reason they need to be there. 

 

The world's pretty much going to hell. Reason enough for me to call upon two of the most renowned warriors/mages/rogues Thedas has ever seen...  

[Knight of Dane]

Not everyones Warden and Hawke would want to help

[KR96]

Not everyones Warden and Hawke would want to help

 

I think most of the Wardens and Hawkes around here would like to live in a world which hasn't completely gone to hell. So in that respect I don't think they'd have much of a choice in the matter. For all I care you're simply able to tick a box in the Keep stating that your Warden/Hawke is extremely reluctant to go into battle and would rather sit on his/her fat ass and watch world come to an end. 

[TheEgoRaptor]

While I would very much enjoy having both my Warden and Hawke brought into Inquisition, it would be very difficult for Bioware to get their character right. They would theoretically have to take into account every singular piece of dialogue you selected in each game to be able to map out a personality for your specific Warden/Hawke.

 

That bring about another issue. With near limitless personalities regarding these characters, you would have voice actors in the booths for months and months recording every required line of dialogue, Very, Very costly.

 

And unless Leonardo DiCaprio voiced my Warden and flip. 

 

 

[The Elder King]

Thats were your are horribly wrong. For the people who wardens went through the mirror with morrigan can you understand that someppeople want to know what happend. morrigan is back so i want to know what became of my warden and the ogb

Morrigan can fill in about this nicely.

[NUM13ER]

There are ways to do it. The Dragon Keep being a means of informing at least some of the attributes of your old characters.

However the more prominent their roles are during the game, the more resources needed to be dedicated to allow players to shape them. Even a cameo during a single mission or event would still have a significant number of variables to take into account for that appearance to be close to a custom player character.

I did not enjoy Revan and The Exile's appearance in The Old Republic and I do fear a repeat performance. I mean if they turn up with a set appearance, race or personality, are they even really the same people any more? And if they are not, why include them at all?

[Steppenwolf]

Not wanting our characters to be reduced to plot devices, let alone changing who they are to do so, seems like a perfectly legitimate reason not to want them to appear in sequels.

And why are so many people so gung ho about the Warden and Hawke being in Inquisition? We don't know of any plots that demand their presence so at this point why do you want them there? Just for funsies? That doesn't seem like a legitimate reason to put them in the game and alienate a portion of the players.

[KR96]

Not wanting our characters to be reduced to plot devices, let alone changing who they are to do so, seems like a perfectly legitimate reason not to want them to appear in sequels.

And why are so many people so gung ho about the Warden and Hawke being in Inquisition? We don't know of any plots that demand their presence so at this point why do you want them there? Just for funsies? That doesn't seem like a legitimate reason to put them in the game and alienate a portion of the players.

 

I'm not gung ho to see my Warden or Hawke be in Inquisition, but I'd be perfectly fine with it if Bioware decided to do so. Meaning that I appreciate the way in which Bioware decides to relay the story of Thedas whether that involves one of my past characters or not. Pretty simple, really. 

[philippe willaume]

Nope nothing wrong with it.  But it wouldn't be something I'd personally be fussed about.

yeap, the only caveat would be that a drastic change in charaterisation

phil

[durasteel]

I've played Origins many times, many different ways, and the only Wardens I've ever had that wouldn't be relevant to a clear and present danger to Thedas are dead. For them, there is the Orlesian SCAB Warden Commander. For the rest, it would be very odd for them not to be involved in some way in the events in Inquisition, and the same goes for all of my various Hawkes.

 

It's been what, 11 years in-game since I last saw the Warden? I'm prepared for the Warden to look a little different, and I have no problem with hearing a voice that might not perfectly match what I had in my head when I played the character. 

 

For those of you so easily upset about it that the idea of an appearance of your old character horrifies you, or who insist that the company who wrote all of your character's dialog and created the setting and scenarios that defined it is nevertheless completely incapable of rendering it upon your screen in a way that would not crush your gentle spirit, well... setting aside for the moment the question of why you would buy a game those people you so distrust made, I hope for your sakes the Keep features an option for your warden to be replaced with a generic character, perhaps the Orlesian from Awakening, while retaining what your character did when it was relevant, before your headcanon turned it into a couch potato.

 

For the rest of us, there's no reason not to see a glimpse of our Warden with the love interest, on the throne, or putting boot to ass for the Grey Wardens.

 

And I wouldn't mind some sarcasm from Hawke, either.

[Palidane]

It's a thorny problem, and nothing they do can possibly please everyone. You've got some people who want a full-blown three protagonist game, some who want them as NPC's, some who are fine with the current codexes and vague allusions, and a couple Bioware-haters who are holding a metaphorical gun to their own heads and threatening to pull the trigger if they see so much as a hint of the Warden or Hawke returning.

 

They managed to buy some time with the whole 'Sudden Disappearance' thing, but that won't last forever. They are going to need a more elegant solution.

[durasteel]

Not wanting our characters to be reduced to plot devices, let alone changing who they are to do so, seems like a perfectly legitimate reason not to want them to appear in sequels.

And why are so many people so gung ho about the Warden and Hawke being in Inquisition? We don't know of any plots that demand their presence so at this point why do you want them there? Just for funsies? That doesn't seem like a legitimate reason to put them in the game and alienate a portion of the players.

 

Really? You can't think of any plots, based on what we've heard, that wouldn't call for an appearance by the Warden?

 

Have you been paying attention, I wonder?

 

Morrigan is in the game, with an apparently significant role. You don't suppose that a Warden who found her and went through the mirror with her might have followed her to Orlais? And as the head of the Inquisition, you don't suppose that you might come in contact with the King or Queen of Ferelden, considering that we will be spending time there? No interaction with the dwarves might involve a living paragon? We know that a number of plot threads involve the Wardens, but you can't imagine how Ferelden's Warden Commander might be relevant?

 

I see your implication that showing the Warden or Hawke in Inquisition might "alienate" a portion of the players, but I don't believe it's even remotely accurate.

[Steppenwolf]

Really? You can't think of any plots, based on what we've heard, that wouldn't call for an appearance by the Warden?

 

Have you been paying attention, I wonder?

 

Morrigan is in the game, with an apparently significant role. You don't suppose that a Warden who found her and went through the mirror with her might have followed her to Orlais? And as the head of the Inquisition, you don't suppose that you might come in contact with the King or Queen of Ferelden, considering that we will be spending time there? No interaction with the dwarves might involve a living paragon? We know that a number of plot threads involve the Wardens, but you can't imagine how Ferelden's Warden Commander might be relevant?

 

I see your implication that showing the Warden or Hawke in Inquisition might "alienate" a portion of the players, but I don't believe it's even remotely accurate.

 

So a tiny role to check a plot flag is a good enough reason for BioWare to take away the whole point of designing games the way they do? The Warden and Hawke are MY characters and I don't want them taken away from me to be changed to make a cameo in a game they have no significant role in. What's the upside? 

"Ooooooo, looky! That used to be me!"

Is that it? 

[The Elder King]

The Warden is mission at the end of DA2. That means that he/she'll not be on the throne of Ferelden regardless of they appear or not in DAI, since they're not going to make multiple different cameos (in the case the Warden will appear).

[durasteel]

So a tiny role to check a plot flag is a good enough reason for BioWare to take away the whole point of designing games the way they do? The Warden and Hawke are MY characters and I don't want them taken away from me to be changed to make a cameo in a game they have no significant role in. What's the upside? 

"Ooooooo, looky! That used to be me!"

Is that it? 

 

They're not your characters any more. I think that's been made pretty clear already. They were your characters for the time period of their respective games. Unless you somehow took them out of the world, however (eg ultimate sacrifice,) they're still in it, and still relevant.

 

You can pitch a fit because one of them parts his or her hair on the other side now, or you can appreciate seeing the continuation of their story. I think we can guess which way you're inclined to break on that one, eh?

[Jerrybnsn]

Not everyones Warden and Hawke would want to help

 If you don't want to import your character then you could create another one. That was the old Bioware formula that help create their fan base.  You could use that option in Awakenings if your warden was dead, or you just wanted to start over.  I don't know if I can play another Dragon Age game were I have to ask my former companions who they are, or act like I don't know what the Deep Roads or the Fade is.  I think by making the games in this series more stand alone and non-continuity, it alienates the fans who've put all their time and efforts in the previous games.  Personally, I wish they would have made this series like Baldur's Gate.

[durasteel]

The Warden is mission at the end of DA2. That means that he/she'll not be on the throne of Ferelden regardless of they appear or not in DAI, since they're not going to make multiple different cameos (in the case the Warden will appear).

 

Actually I think multiple cameos is exactly what they'll do. Based on what you dialed into the Keep, the Warden might appear at one of a handful of different spots in the game. It will probably be completely different from one "import" to the next.