Actually I think multiple cameos is exactly what they'll do. Based on what you dialed into the Keep, the Warden might appear at one of a handful of different spots in the game. It will probably be completely different from one "import" to the next.
You're just not going to leave that poor horse alone, are you?
You're just not going to leave that poor horse alone, are you?
Seriously... I don't think there's anything left of the club he's been beating it with either. Not all of us want to play DAO Revisited.
Seriously... I don't think there's anything left of the club he's been beating it with either. Not all of us want to play DAO Revisited.
Isn't Inquisition suppose to be about you raising an army, uniting a land, and facing an ancient evil? When people say they want the next game to be a sequel to Origins they mean they want it to be built off the story of Origins and expanded, not another raise an army, uniting a land, and facing an ancient evil.
Isn't Inquisition suppose to be about you raising an army, uniting a land, and facing an ancient evil? When people say they want the next game to be a sequel to Origins they mean they want it to be built off the story of Origins and expanded, not another raise an army, uniting a land, and facing an ancient evil.
There's nothing wrong with the two games having similar outlines, but where is it written that we have to regurgitate every old companion and hero from the past three games in order to make the new game enjoyable? We play a brand new protagonist. It's not like they have any connections with the previous PCs or their companions that would warrant their presence. I'm looking forward to getting to know new characters in Thedas.
I will remain opposed to it. Its far too much work with far too much risk.
They've already said they've decided on the warden or Hawke being in the game or not and that it's not up for discussion. They've also said if either did appear it would be as an NPC that you don't control.
If I see zombie Warden I'm not going to be pleased.
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lol, Yeah I used a lot of mods in my DAO version to make my character look more awesome, and I agree with some of the earlier posts saying that they don't want their wardens appearing. It's true a lot of people have their own ideas of what character their warden is, and I think Bioware would have a real hard time please everyone, I'd be more than happy to hear a passing reference towards my warden, but maybe asking for appearance (as much as I want it) is a bit much.
Hawke on the other hand I think they can make him appear rather easily with Dragon Age Keep. He had three distinct personalities and could could be summed up as Pro-Mage, Pro-Templar or in the middle about everything. it wouldn't be hard to make his personality from that... (Well at least IMO)
Isn't Inquisition suppose to be about you raising an army, uniting a land, and facing an ancient evil? When people say they want the next game to be a sequel to Origins they mean they want it to be built off the story of Origins and expanded, not another raise an army, uniting a land, and facing an ancient evil.
The Inquisitor already has the army by the time he's the Inquisitor. Our mission is essentially discovery and closing the tears in the Fade. We're not going around recruiting factions again.
"Within the Dragon Age Keep, you’ll be able to customize a Dragon Age historical world state to your exact specifications drawn from Dragon Age: Origins and Dragon Age II story decisions. These include hero attributes, companion details, quest results, and more. Customize as much or as little as you wish. Then you'll be able to import your saved world state into Dragon Age Inquisition at the start of a new game. For new players, the Keep will serve as a great way to understand the people, places, and events that shaped the world leading up to DAI"
How does this sound like only minor choices...?
seriously you need to learn to read, no where does it say, "We will let you recreate your warden and Hawke in a character creator"
All it says was choices... quests who your warden was friendly with who did he hate, I would also assume the same with hawke.
Nothing is stoping BW from doing name plugs like "Well the Hero of Freldian was a Mage/warroir/rogue, what of it?" Or "The Chapion was Kirkwall was a Mage/warroir/rogue" And I would assume that it will have slight changes in how people preceive those classes as "there hero's" where these things.
Which means NO they will not physicly be in the game. I would bet on it, if i had any money.
However I will 100% bet that they will be mentioned by NPCs.
Nevermind, please delete.
"Within the Dragon Age Keep, you’ll be able to customize a Dragon Age historical world state to your exact specifications drawn from Dragon Age: Origins and Dragon Age II story decisions. These include hero attributes, companion details, quest results, and more. Customize as much or as little as you wish. Then you'll be able to import your saved world state into Dragon Age Inquisition at the start of a new game. For new players, the Keep will serve as a great way to understand the people, places, and events that shaped the world leading up to DAI"
How does this sound like only minor choices...?
If there's one thing I've learned being in multimedia, is that you always make seems appear better when it comes to advertising. You may not want to hear it, but "hero attributes" includes race, gender, class, and decisions. Those details have been confirmed by Bioware on the forums and in interviews. Your Warden or Hawke's appearance is not mentioned. "Companion details?" The decisions you made as the Warden and Hawke are going to affect any characters going into Dragon Age Inquisition. This has been confirmed, but skills and armor haven't. "Customize as much or as little as you wish," is a very vague and leading statement. However based on interviews and such, we know that Dragon Age Keep is supposed to consider every decision of the each of the games and DLC's so far, as well as decisions that may not have been as obvious at the time. That number is likely in the hundreds. With so many possible choices to make, forcing the player to go through each one would be maddening. Giving the player to choose which decisions he wants to import is necessary in this case.
GamerMD83, who is an absolutely wonderful member of the Bioware Fan Community, made an interview with Fernando Melo regarding the Dragon Age Keep. It can be found here: http://www.youtube.c...h?v=3CwAKUrhr0c. I highly recommend that you watch it because it is extremely informative and will clear up your obvious misconceptions about what the Keep is and what it does. I understand that the Keep's description could lead you to your current conclusion, but you are making statements based unconfirmed information and wishful thinking. I too wish that we could alter that much, but given my education and background in multimedia design, I know that it's not the wisest of ideas to get my hopes up in this case.
Regarding the actual topic of your thread, I am willing to keep an open mind regarding Dragon Age Inquisition. I try to base my information off of what (little) has been confirmed thus far. I trust Bioware and I'll give them a chance to do right by their fans after their recent rough patch. That being said, I hope that if Dragon Age Keep does not live up to your current expectations, that it does not dissuade you from giving Bioware their fair chance either.
Aizen, try to let it wash over you. It isn't worth the ban. Ignoring the person is a good start, but you'll want to edit your post. Don't derail your own thread.
Let's keep it on topic offending posts hidden
I think the popular line from Christopher Nolan's The Dark Knight was expressing a similar sentiment in different terms. Or perhaps a different axis on the same chart. Ultimately, what happens is that the longer you drag something out, the more potential there is for it to end badly. The story of my warden ended well. And bringing him back does nothing but present a needless risk. Not just to the happiness of the resolution, but my happiness with the resolution.
I always find it astonishing how much gamers cling to their PCs from previous games. It's a sentiment I can't really get behind. Why do we need to see the protagonist of the first game in a franchise to return in every subsequent game? The Warden had her/his time in the spotlight. He/she had an entire (extremly long for modern standards) game plus possibly an expansion with about 15hours of gameplay.
Hawke had an entire game as well. I say let someone else be hero now without previous PCs interfering in their story for no specific reason but to please the fans who can't let go of their former PCs.
I mean including former PCs isn't any game breaking deal for me but I think it just devalues the new protagonist unfairly. i found it to be especially annyoing in SWTOR
SPOILER:
where Revan just appears out of nowhere 300 Years after the time where he actually lived (With ony a flimsy excuse of a plot as explanation).
I mean Why has he to be in this game. He dosen't have to be. KOTOR 2 was an ejoyable game without any Revan in it (It might even have been a good game without the game breaking bugs that forced me to do all of Nar Shadda again twice because the damn cutscene wouldn't trigger.)
There was absolutely no reason to bring Revan back in again.
/SPOILER
I'm also kind of displeased that Shepard lives in Destroy since the extended cut because people demad that Shepard is the main character again now even more so than before. Seriously, just let someone else do the a**-kicking for once.
That's my opinion on that matter.
From what Gaider said, it's pretty likely we see them again. What is unlikely is that they canonize them. They know better.
They'll probably let us edit their appearance at the beginning of the game. Not much of a chore. No problem with the voice either. The warden did have a voice, the one used in combat. I doubt his role will be big enough to make recording their lines with different actors too expensive. And Hawke only has one voice. Personality, that's tougher. Hawke, not so much. We have three main voices at least, hard to make them out of character. With the warden, it could follow the voiceset we chose. Cocky, wise, ladder-loving and so on. This requires more work though.
If it doesn't work out, I'll probably headcanon that my warden ended up inquisitor, because a bad bad clingy human being.
I always find it astonishing how much gamers cling to their PCs from previous games. It's a sentiment I can't really get behind.
I'm also kind of displeased that Shepard lives in Destroy since the extended cut because people demad that Shepard is the main character again now even more so than before. Seriously, just let someone else do the a**-kicking for once.
That's my opinion on that matter.
Haven't they already confirmed that there would be no character creator in the Keep?From what Gaider said, it's pretty likely we see them again. What is unlikely is that they canonize them. They know better.
They'll probably let us edit their appearance at the beginning of the game. Not much of a chore. No problem with the voice either. The warden did have a voice, the one used in combat. I doubt his role will be big enough to make recording their lines with different actors too expensive. And Hawke only has one voice. Personality, that's tougher. Hawke, not so much. We have three main voices at least, hard to make them out of character. With the warden, it could follow the voiceset we chose. Cocky, wise, ladder-loving and so on. This requires more work though.
If it doesn't work out, I'll probably headcanon that my warden ended up inquisitor, because a bad bad clingy human being.
If they are intended to actual be part of the main storyline, then fine. If they are simply written in for fan service, then no, they shouldn't be in the game. DA:O is my #1 game of all time, but that doesn't mean I need to see the Warden in every story from there on out.
All LOT of people like Superman, but do you think he should show up in EVERY superhero comic or movie? The world is a big place, and big places have more than just one person running around saving the world. I like to experience those OTHER stories and I don't need Superman showing up in my Inquisitors story just to say "Hey!".
Gaider already stated if it was just a cameo then they wouldn't bother trying to do it, he also said that yes people should accept the possibility that they may appear in DAI and yes used in the plot in someway regardless of if they show up which he said it's a fact that they be used in some way no matter what.
If they show up their physical appearance should ideally be up to us though they haven't said how that would work other than ruling out the keep having a character creator since it has nothing to do with that. The only ways I can see this happening is having a separate character creator in game or just keep them in armour if they don't allow us to decide how they look.
Anyway it's already been decided either way, and i'm not sure why people are so gung ho either way since this has always been a possibility and has been talked about many many time's by Gaider who also made it crystal clear that we don't own them, and that they don't accept headcanons and that they may violate or contrivine them, etc
If they felt like it's ( having them show up and have a role in the plot) worth the trouble, makes the story and the game better as a whole regardless of whether or not it upsets some people then that's what they'll do which was stated by Gaider.
If they didn't feel like it was worth the trouble then they won't show up in DAI ( though either way we'll find out what happened to them) even if it makes people upset they are prepared either way and it's really as simple as that, and there's not much we can really do about it.
I know all that. I'm just not sure why they'd consider it a good idea. I don't expect them to accept headcanon. I just expect them to respect it. Its well within their rights to control what the Warden does, I just don't see how they can avoid upsetting quite a few people considering the attachment peoplke have to their wardens.
Haven't they already confirmed that there would be no character creator in the Keep?
Matters of feasibilities aside, why do people want the Warden and Hawke to appear anyway? This is the Inquisitor's story, not theirs. What's wrong with simply letting them be? Why risk OOC behavior when there's so little to gain from such a cameo?
Because many people thought it wouldn't be in character for their wardens, being extremely powerful and still in Thedas, to simply ignore such a threat. The warden, if they didn't sacrifice in DAO, is still quite young. Hawke's story, on the other hand, lacks closure.
I don't know what they said about the keep. I think it would be the best option though. We create the inquisitor, don't we? Then we should be able to edit the warden and Hawke as well, if they're in the game.
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