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[Raging_Pulse]

Will the game suck? Possibly, I don't know.

 

What I do know is that I am following the game development very carefully. I want to learn as much as possible before the game is released so I can manage my expectations to the best of my ability. The first step in that process is developing an informed opinion, or at least an educated guess. Of course, I cannot truly be certain about anything before playing through the game myself, but I do like to minimize risk. 

 

That being said, I like what I've seen so far.

[Aulis Vaara]

That doesn't make sense

Yes, it does. Smart people do their research before hand, not after spending their money. You're willing to throw 60 bucks away on a bad purchase, so you must have money to spare.

[Dhiro]

I'll move on with my life and play something else.

[LinksOcarina]

Yes, it does. Smart people do their research before hand, not after spending their money. You're willing to throw 60 bucks away on a bad purchase, so you must have money to spare.

 

Problem. How do you determine it is a bad purchase beforehand?

 

The entire gaming culture is far from one voice. You can check reviews, youtube entertainers, demos, user blog posts, friend reactions, etc all you want. In the end, that means nothing if you didn't play it first based on your preferences instead. Listening to what others say is deciding things in a vacuum,you don't make an informed decision that way because previous opinions color your perception.

 

An example of this, there was a study back in 2010 that looked into the power of review scores in gaming. They picked three non-gamers and gave them a copy of Plants vs Zombies on the DS or something like that, and told them/showed three different things. One group was told the game is great, one was told it was terrible, and one was told to just play it.

 

The data pulled from the study showed that those who were told and read reviews that bashed the game, were less likely to play it again, let alone pick up the game. Many in the study cited the previous opinions shown as the reason why. Vice versa for those told the game was great. The third group decided its factors based on how the game played, some thought it was fun, some didn't, but it was based on personal perception and taste only. 

 

My point is, I guess, is how can you determine if something is good or bad just by reading and watching everyone else tell you its good or bad? Ive seen people on this forum complain about the harpoon the warrior has because its too unrealistic, despite not playing the game and seeing how it feels in their hands. Seeing something is not always a barometer of what it actually is. 

[Grieving Natashina]

Problem. How do you determine it is a bad purchase beforehand?

 

The entire gaming culture is far from one voice. You can check reviews, youtube entertainers, demos, user blog posts, friend reactions, etc all you want. In the end, that means nothing if you didn't play it first based on your preferences instead. Listening to what others say is deciding things in a vacuum,you don't make an informed decision that way because previous opinions color your perception.

 

An example of this, there was a study back in 2010 that looked into the power of review scores in gaming. They picked three non-gamers and gave them a copy of Plants vs Zombies on the DS or something like that, and told them/showed three different things. One group was told the game is great, one was told it was terrible, and one was told to just play it.

 

The data pulled from the study showed that those who were told and read reviews that bashed the game, were less likely to play it again, let alone pick up the game. Many in the study cited the previous opinions shown as the reason why. Vice versa for those told the game was great. The third group decided its factors based on how the game played, some thought it was fun, some didn't, but it was based on personal perception and taste only. 

 

My point is, I guess, is how can you determine if something is good or bad just by reading and watching everyone else tell you its good or bad? Ive seen people on this forum complain about the harpoon the warrior has because its too unrealistic, despite not playing the game and seeing how it feels in their hands. Seeing something is not always a barometer of what it actually is. 

That was very well written.  Allow me to say...

 

[KaiserShep]

Yes, it does. Smart people do their research before hand, not after spending their money. You're willing to throw 60 bucks away on a bad purchase, so you must have money to spare.

 

I did a lot of research on Dragon Age 2, both on this board and elsewhere before deciding to purchase, and had I actually listened to either, I would have missed out on something that I turned out to thoroughly enjoy. Needless to say one should take massive grains of salt when it comes to looking at reviews and the consensus of gamer forums.

[Aulis Vaara]

Problem. How do you determine it is a bad purchase beforehand?

 

The entire gaming culture is far from one voice. You can check reviews, youtube entertainers, demos, user blog posts, friend reactions, etc all you want. In the end, that means nothing if you didn't play it first based on your preferences instead. Listening to what others say is deciding things in a vacuum,you don't make an informed decision that way because previous opinions color your perception.

 

An example of this, there was a study back in 2010 that looked into the power of review scores in gaming. They picked three non-gamers and gave them a copy of Plants vs Zombies on the DS or something like that, and told them/showed three different things. One group was told the game is great, one was told it was terrible, and one was told to just play it.

 

The data pulled from the study showed that those who were told and read reviews that bashed the game, were less likely to play it again, let alone pick up the game. Many in the study cited the previous opinions shown as the reason why. Vice versa for those told the game was great. The third group decided its factors based on how the game played, some thought it was fun, some didn't, but it was based on personal perception and taste only. 

 

My point is, I guess, is how can you determine if something is good or bad just by reading and watching everyone else tell you its good or bad? Ive seen people on this forum complain about the harpoon the warrior has because its too unrealistic, despite not playing the game and seeing how it feels in their hands. Seeing something is not always a barometer of what it actually is. 

I can only wish I had listened to the people who told me beforehand how bad Mass Effect 3 was.

That said, I can't force you to have a strong personal opinion, but surely you know the kind of gameplay you like and how to recognize that when someone is playing the game. I've seen Total Biscuit enjoy games and give it glowing recommendations and yet I knew I would find it a terrible game.

If you want to stubbornly waste your money on games you're not going to like, go right ahead, I can't stop you. I just hope others aren't as wasteful.

[Beerfish]

Yes, it does. Smart people do their research before hand, not after spending their money. You're willing to throw 60 bucks away on a bad purchase, so you must have money to spare.

Even this does not save you because even if you have 'trusted' sources you can still disagree with them after the fact (See your earlier thread about you disagreeing with 'AngryJoe'.)  How many times have you sat down with a friend and totally disagreed about something, anything.  With any game you are risking your money on a purchase unless you don't mind being so many spoilers that it wrecks the game.

 

Also just a ton of people totally disregard reviews to see for themselves and or have the moral authority to criticize a game. 

 

One more point about throwing money away on games, this is very common by the stats bandied about by game developers about how many people actually finish games they purchase.

[Grieving Natashina]

I did a lot of research on Dragon Age 2, both on this board and elsewhere before deciding to purchase, and had I actually listened to either, I would have missed out on something that I turned out to thoroughly enjoy. Needless to say one should take massive grains of salt when it comes to looking at reviews and the consensus of gamer forums.

I was much the same way Kaiser.  

 

When it comes to purchasing a game brand new, I suppose it depends upon your faith in the company and the handling of their IP.  

 

For example, I used to be quite the Squaresoft/Square/Squeenx fan for a long time.  I was in elementary school when FF1 hit the NES here in the States, and I loved the series for a long long time.  I even enjoyed the rather reviled X-2 (yet another game I'm glad I ignored reviews of.)  Years later, played one of the offshoots, Crisis Core (bought it used) and ended up liking it too.  I did avoid the MMO, but I digress

 

Anyhow, prior to me trying Crisis Core, FF12 came out.  Being the nut I was, I naturally bought it right away.  I soon regretted it.

 

No offense to those that love FF12, but I personally couldn't get into it.  For those that enjoyed the game, I'm glad.    

 

I found it one of the most uninteresting games I had ever played.  I tried a few other times since then (even putting it into ISO format and running it on my emulator, which cleans up the graphics nicely,) and yet my mind kept drifting.  I never have been able to complete the game.

 

With a shrug and a sigh, I moved on.  I figured "They have to do better next time."

 

Then FF13 came out and once again, I was silly enough to buy it without checking the reviews first.  Oh boy.  I'll save you guys the rant. As a result of this, I will not buy another FF game brand new.  FF15 so far looks awesome, but due to being burned so bad before, I refuse to get it until I see the feedback.

 

My point is that if you feel the company merits enough faith in you as a consumer, then buy it brand new!  Enjoy!  However, if you feel badly burned by the company, save yourself the frustration and wait for some reviews.   I strongly encourage player reviews > professional reviews if you take that route.

[Beerfish]

LOL, scolds posters for throwing their money away in the same post they say they wish they had listened to people who told them a game sucked.

I can only wish I had listened to the people who told me beforehand how bad Mass Effect 3 was.

That said, I can't force you to have a strong personal opinion, but surely you know the kind of gameplay you like and how to recognize that when someone is playing the game. I've seen Total Biscuit enjoy games and give it glowing recommendations and yet I knew I would find it a terrible game.

If you want to stubbornly waste your money on games you're not going to like, go right ahead, I can't stop you. I just hope others aren't as wasteful.

 

 

[LinksOcarina]

I can only wish I had listened to the people who told me beforehand how bad Mass Effect 3 was.

That said, I can't force you to have a strong personal opinion, but surely you know the kind of gameplay you like and how to recognize that when someone is playing the game. I've seen Total Biscuit enjoy games and give it glowing recommendations and yet I knew I would find it a terrible game.

If you want to stubbornly waste your money on games you're not going to like, go right ahead, I can't stop you. I just hope others aren't as wasteful.

 

Knowing what you like and not experiencing it yourself are two different things. I don't like action-adventure titles, yet I enjoy games like Assassins Creed 2 because its a well done action-adventure title. 

 

If you honestly wished you listened to people beforehand about something, do it. But then your blind to discovering things you might enjoy, something that may surprise you in the end. 

[Madeline McQueen]

I don't think it would effect me to be honest. Before I bought Dragon Age 2 and Mass Effect 3 I saw a lot of bad views on it but I ignored them and tried it out for myself. I have to admit there were some things in Dragon Age 2 I really didn't like and I didn't like the ending of Mass Effect 3 but I still enjoyed them both so much and I would recommend them to anyone. BioWare has done such a good job in the past with previous games and yeah they made mistakes like we all do but as long as they learn from those mistakes I believe their work will just get better and better and I hope I can keep playing their fantastic games!    

[ziloe]

This is an interesting perspective and one I'm not sure I entirely understand.  Why would the opinion deviate so much in the absence of new information?  Though I have a feeling that doing something like we did at PAX would reset the scale back to where it was.

 

I could understand perhaps a decline in interest (i.e apathy), but not a cynicism (i.e. antipathy).  Can you elaborate?

I think it might be the worry that things haven't exactly changed. Don't get me wrong, the demo was gorgeous. But it left a lot of questions when it came to the interaction of characters, etc. Hyping ourselves up can be mentally exhausting, especially when all we can do is speculate. And hey, a lot of the ideas people suggest can be pretty cool ideas too, so the thought that those things might not happen at all because maybe it's too costly, etc, I suppose it can really bring people down a peg. But that's just my own thoughts on it.

[Nefla]

I can tell by watching a lets play if I will like a game or not. The things I like are character, story, and emotion related and you can tell if they are present by watching a lets play. The things you can't tell from a lets play such as combat controls, game mechanics, etc...are things I don't care about.

[Taleroth]

Problem. How do you determine it is a bad purchase beforehand?

I'm going to rent it from Redbox.

 

Your point still stands. It's really hard to know how to trust opinions, especially the early ones. But even the later ones will sometimes be exaggerated and uninformative. But thrice burned already, so a simple twice shy isn't going to be enough. They'd have to convince RPG Codex that it's a great game before I accept word of mouth compared to just playing it myself.

[Bekkael]

The Dragon Age franchise is not Mass Effect    and never will be. I have always preferred DA, and I have yet to play any DA game or DLC/expansion that I didn't enjoy.

 

DA games are and will continue to be, not only instant pre-orders, but collector's edition pre-orders. I really hope they have an actual CE for DAI, as they only had Signature Edition for DA2. Anyway, I can't wait! DAI is going to be awesome.

[wildannie]

ME3 was a huge disappointment for me for many many reasons and has left me fairly apathetic about future releases.  I really can't imagine how DAI could possibly be so bad as to top that one... despite its shortcomings, I still enjoyed DA2.

 

I'm still not sure if I'll pre-order,  I had said I wouldn't after ME3 but DAI and TW3 are the only two games I've got my eye on for 2014 so I guess its going to depend on release dates.  

 

Even if DAI is the best game I've ever played, I'm still likely to give future ME titles a swerve.

[Barquiel]

I enjoyed ME3 (or at least 90% of the game), and I am fairly optimistic about this game as well. It's looking good so far.

[Splinter Cell 108]

ME3 was a huge disappointment for me for many many reasons and has left me fairly apathetic about future releases.  I really can't imagine how DAI could possibly be so bad as to top that one... despite its shortcomings, I still enjoyed DA2.

 

I'm still not sure if I'll pre-order,  I had said I wouldn't after ME3 but DAI and TW3 are the only two games I've got my eye on for 2014 so I guess its going to depend on release dates.  

 

Even if DAI is the best game I've ever played, I'm still likely to give future ME titles a swerve.

 

The same was said when DA2 came out. People said, "this is Dragon Age and that's Mass Effect, they're not the same so ME3 won't go bad" and it did. Pre-orders are stupid, no matter what game it is that you're pre-ordering. Why should anyone give their money to developers before their game is out? It's betting it all on pure uncertainty. 

 

I don't know what will happen with DA:I, so far I am not impressed and I think it is going the same way as Mass Effect 3, little footage, lots of promises(with no evidence) and a lot of hype. I will wait until after DA:I is released to make any judgments on it. Nonetheless, I think that the idea that you need to play a game before you can say it is good or bad is a bad one. If I'm going to spend $60 on something(on anything really) then I'd better be damn sure that it is something I will enjoy and to know if I will enjoy it, I must have an opinion about it. 

[Taleroth]

The Dragon Age franchise is not Mass Effect    and never will be.

They need to learn from each other's mistakes while maintaining their own identities. They're failing in at least one of those, however. DA2 repeated the mistakes of Mass Effect 1 in repeating areas. And Mass Effect 3 repeated mistakes of Dragon Age 2 in content-free fetch quests and an abandoning of agency when it was most important, in the ending.

 

Whether Dragon Age's shift towards CINEMATIC is making it more like Mass Effect and if that hurts its individual identity, that's too long a discussion to get into.

[Dabrikishaw]

If Inquisition ends up having all or most of the same problems as Mass Effect 3 I guess I'd have less incentive to keep up with Bioware anymore. 

[Rotward]

I did a lot of research on Dragon Age 2, both on this board and elsewhere before deciding to purchase, and had I actually listened to either, I would have missed out on something that I turned out to thoroughly enjoy. Needless to say one should take massive grains of salt when it comes to looking at reviews and the consensus of gamer forums.

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[KR96]

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Or maybe you've got (extremely) high standards? Honestly, if people enjoyed the game (I know I did) just leave them be. People tend to nearly kill each other out here for liking a game they didn't like or vice versa. I hope DA:I is the chosen one to put a stop to all that. 

[Rainbow Wyvern]

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Or, a different opinion! How shocking!

/sarcasm

darn it, sorta-ninja'd