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[General TSAR]

 

Don't know what all the fuss is about. I always go for peace, the quarians get their homeworld back, I get the geth war assets and then...
...
.. big wave of red time.
Sorted.

 

Yeah but I love the sexbot's reaction afterword.

[RZIBARA]

Yeah but I love the sexbot's reaction afterword. 

 

After the Geth destruction?

[Sir DeLoria]

How is it genocide when they are machines?
 
Skynet should have never been created in the first place.

Some people apparently think that toasters are people too. Skynet and the Geth are one and the same just in a different franchise.

[RZIBARA]

Some people apparently think that toasters are people too. Skynet and the Geth are one and the same just in a different franchise.

 

I never claimed Machine's are people, but that doesn't mean I hate them. 

[Sir DeLoria]

Don't know what all the fuss is about. I always go for peace, the quarians get their homeworld back, I get the geth war assets and then...
...
.. big wave of red time.
Sorted.

Yeah, but this topic somehow always errupts into a big discussion.

[Barquiel]

Don't know what all the fuss is about. I always go for peace, the quarians get their homeworld back, I get the geth war assets and then...
...
.. big wave of red time.
Sorted.

If I can make peace -> peace (two fleets are better than one)
If I can't make peace -> Geth (their fleet is clearly superior)

[RZIBARA]

Yeah, but this topic somehow always errupts into a big discussion.

 

Weren't you the person who started this discussion? Oh the irony

[Sir DeLoria]

I never claimed Machine's are people, but that doesn't mean I hate them.

I don't hate all machines, just the ones that disfunction and kill people. The world is safer without them.

[General TSAR]

After the Geth destruction?

Yeah.

 

It showed that Organics and AL can not exist peacefully, and if there is a war, the Organics will win, no matter the body count.

[Sir DeLoria]

Weren't you the person who started this discussion? Oh the irony

Actually no, I voiced my opinion, someone angrily reacted and so on.

[Tevinter Soldier]

my main step never trusts toasters!

 

we're fighting a war again giant toasters why make another group of toasters even more dangerous?

 

Their machines! nothing more then lights and clock work. they slay billions and you want to give them the ability to replicate emotions?

they dont have emotions even with the upgrade not really. emotions are chemical reactions in organic brains, in a geth? nothing more then a piece of code designed to mimic actual emotions. so lets look at the other parts of the code it make them smarter and faster, I fail to see a positive answer out of all of this.

 

i don't know about you but a pissed off walking whipper snipper sounds like a bad idea. particularly when all evidence suggest the whipper snipper will try and kill us. the Reapers, the metacron(SP) war, the AI on the citadel and you know 300 years of war with the geth themselves, even meta gaming we know that the entire reason for the reapers is because of machines killing organics. why trust a quarian back hoe to be any different?

 

the Geth aren't alive their just software, tools, nothing more. they feel no pain, no loss some base codes may result in the geth saying things like this but the word does not have the same meaning to a geth as it does an organic. to a geth "loss" is no different to your PC returning a search request with file not found.

 

"humanity" in a geth is nothing more then an illusion, its entire way of thinking is based on a series of complex algorithms. (once again these same algorithms resulted in billions of deaths) wave a magnet in front of a geth and it might decide make popcorn for the next 200 years instead of slaughtering people thats even with the upgrade, its still a machine their never truly alive.

[Tevinter Soldier]

The Quarians are much more trustworthy. Shooting at you while you're in a Geth ship. Going to war with the Geth in the first place while the Reapers are destroying everything.

 

Trying to commit genocide for asking if it has a soul.

 

But noo, lets blame the robot who isn't perfectly honest while surrounded by those cute Quarians that want to kill it.

 

Fantastic people, those Quarians.

 

none of the Quarians wanted to commit genocide, a robot a piece of machinery asked a question which suggested the Quarians had violated the convention on AI and wanted to deactivate the units that were clearly running illegal code. (which as owners of said machinery is their prerogative.)

sadly the quarians found out the hard way why these conventions exist.

 

the Illegal code caused the Geth to malfunction they no longer accepted commands and became a hazard to the quarians and all other living things they came in contact with. All because of a code error that allowed a machine to come to the conclusion that be deactivated was a negative outcome. had the geth followed the commands the quarians may well have discovered the areas of code responsible, rewrote them installed extra safe guards that no longer allowed the geth to rewrite their own code over time  and simply deleted or reset the corrupted programs.

 

all geth could then be safely returned to active service without any loss of life. your loveable machines are just a dangerous malfunction.

[shodiswe]

Legions explanation for not telling the Quarian admirals makes perfect sense. Do you really belive the admiralty standing in the same room as Legion would have approved of his plans to save his "friends"? Or to save his people from the Reapers and the Quarrians.
For the last 300 years the only goal of the admiralty has been to exterminate the Geth.

He uploaded some friends into the Geth platforms to save them. They didnt attack. They had a defiate advatage in both terrain and numbers.

There were no lies, just a negligence to tell the whole story most of it was understandable given the company in the warroom.

The amount of trust Legion puts on Shepard is impressive.

The people who didn't import a loyal Legion gets a different story however. Which is most new people.
Still most people sided with the Geth, or made peace.

My favrite moment is the chance to renegade interupt on Gerrel after the dreadnaught mission.

As for the reapercode, it's more like a driverupgrade that increases their hardware efficiency. Allowing each platform to achive sentience without utilising the network.
They were sentient before but the upgrades Legion provided freed each geth platform.
Both from their dependance of each other, the Reaper intrusion, and the Quarians new hush hush superweapon that came out of nowhere and confused both the flotillas best and brightest scientists and Tali.

[General TSAR]

The only good toaster is a decommissioned toaster. 

[Propelled Rage]

Don't know what all the fuss is about. I always go for peace, the quarians get their homeworld back, I get the geth war assets and then...
...
.. big wave of red time.
Sorted.

 

You know I wanted to ask this, doesn't it feel disconcerting to those who chose the peace option and then chose destroy at the end? How do you justify it? Just another tough decision or what? Its not like we can't make do without geth in terms of war assets if we decide to blow em up, because if you're doing it at the end anyway you might as well do it now..

 

This is of course concerning with a playthrough on consoles as you can't have MEHEM there    

[von uber]

Well no. There is no proof the geth die; to be honest I think the only reason it was thrown in to the destroy ending was to try and make it more unpalatable.
But yes, ruthless calculus of war and all that; every race is an asset to be used to end the reapers. You can't save everyone and sadly in this case it proves to be the geth.
Of course shepard doesn't know this at the time so she makes the best choice available: maximising the strength of the alliance forces.

[Khelish]

The Reaper code always made me cautious. Paired with Legion's lies of omission, I would never side with the Geth.

[von uber]

Oh and I haven't installed mahem; my shep lives and is happy to accept the losses in the reaper war if it means the reapers are ended.

[N0rke]

You know I wanted to ask this, doesn't it feel disconcerting to those who chose the peace option and then chose destroy at the end? How do you justify it? Just another tough decision or what? Its not like we can't make do without geth in terms of war assets if we decide to blow em up, because if you're doing it at the end anyway you might as well do it now..

 

This is of course concerning with a playthrough on consoles as you can't have MEHEM there    

The way I justify it is that my Shepard gets to survive and live happily ever after with his/her LI. Wiping out an entire species and EDI may be a bit extreme, but after all Shepard has done to save the galaxy I thought it was time the galaxy made a sacrifice for Shepard.

[Tevinter Soldier]

You know I wanted to ask this, doesn't it feel disconcerting to those who chose the peace option and then chose destroy at the end? How do you justify it? Just another tough decision or what? Its not like we can't make do without geth in terms of war assets if we decide to blow em up, because if you're doing it at the end anyway you might as well do it now..

 

This is of course concerning with a playthrough on consoles as you can't have MEHEM there    

 

I make sure to destroy more so if i make piece with the geth.

Legion and the geth are all about self determination, both synthesis and control take that away (shouldn't have to explain control)

synthesis is exactly what Legion was talking about when he dissed the reapers the upgrade was forced unnatural and not learned.

 

lets not beat around the bush…..you techno rape the galaxy and although everybody thinks its great afterwards man many people believe it to be wrong before hand. forcibly changing the meaning of existence without permission vs genocide of one species. its not a hard choice when we look at it like that.

[SwobyJ]

Love the Rannoch story

 

And I love the arguments it inspires. And the points people make. Just one of my favorite things of ME3 really.

 

Personally go with Peace in my main Shepard file. Why? Because with all the information at my disposal (I'd have done every sidequest, read everything I could, talked to everyone I could), I just see a total mess and want to make it right, and to me personally, Reaper code upgrades aren't as dangerous as how it can *possibly* be used, like any tool though, including direct weaponry.

 

If I absolutely had to choose though, I'd go Quarians. Yep, I'll side with like minded. Boo hoo. Maybe should have explained things to me well ahead of time, eh Catalyst Legion? (yep picked Destroy too, but yep I do have similar thoughts about the Geth and Reapers, but I view the Reapers much more negatively for now)

[ImaginaryMatter]

my main step never trusts toasters!

 

we're fighting a war again giant toasters why make another group of toasters even more dangerous?

 

Their machines! nothing more then lights and clock work. they slay billions and you want to give them the ability to replicate emotions?

they dont have emotions even with the upgrade not really. emotions are chemical reactions in organic brains, in a geth? nothing more then a piece of code designed to mimic actual emotions. so lets look at the other parts of the code it make them smarter and faster, I fail to see a positive answer out of all of this.

 

i don't know about you but a pissed off walking whipper snipper sounds like a bad idea. particularly when all evidence suggest the whipper snipper will try and kill us. the Reapers, the metacron(SP) war, the AI on the citadel and you know 300 years of war with the geth themselves, even meta gaming we know that the entire reason for the reapers is because of machines killing organics. why trust a quarian back hoe to be any different?

 

the Geth aren't alive their just software, tools, nothing more. they feel no pain, no loss some base codes may result in the geth saying things like this but the word does not have the same meaning to a geth as it does an organic. to a geth "loss" is no different to your PC returning a search request with file not found.

 

"humanity" in a geth is nothing more then an illusion, its entire way of thinking is based on a series of complex algorithms. (once again these same algorithms resulted in billions of deaths) wave a magnet in front of a geth and it might decide make popcorn for the next 200 years instead of slaughtering people thats even with the upgrade, its still a machine their never truly alive.

 

Cannot the same be said of humanity? Are we something more than just a complex series of electrical and chemical signals?

[SwobyJ]

"No, we're sacred! We're different!"

 

And the back and forth continues. And will continue, for decades to come.

 

[von uber]

Why have you not thrown the legion machine out of the airlock.

[themikefest]

At times I met all the requirements for peace and instead of choosing peace I let the Geth be destroyed or let the Quarians die and at the end choose destroy.

I have to say, when I choose the Geth, the Geth Prime says 'because of your actions Commander, we are a people'. I never laughed so hard. No you're not. You're machines. Always have been and always will be.

 

My biggest complaint about having to get peace is that both Tali and Legion have to be in the game whereas you don't need anyone specific to cure the genophage.