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[Fixers0]

Hellhole or not, 95% or so of all humans still live there.

 

More like 99%, not that it matters.

[von uber]

The focus on Earth from a human perspective does make sense in that light. Whereas the alien species have multiple colony worlds with populations in the hundreds of millions or billions, most of humanity is still stuck on its homeworld. The largest human colony has a population of only 7 or 8 million or so. Less people are living on the entire planets of Elysium or Terra Nova than there are people currently living in Tokyo.

 

So probably the same amount of colonists as the Quarian race has left (thanks to the cuddly Geth).

[Barquiel]

That is true, but it would take about a decade for the reapers to harvest earth. Not every human would suddenly die if we send our fleets to liberate Thessia or Palavan first.

[elrofrost]

Inspired somewhat by the constant moaning about Liara being upset over Thessia being invaded,

Yeah at that point I was ready to curse her out. I would've said, "Never mind that Earth, Irune, Palaven, and everything else is burning.. BUT NOOOO not Thessia". ******.

 

Besides Kai lang and his Sword of POWER, Liara was the second worst part of the game, for me.

[Steelcan]

That is true, but it would take about a decade for the reapers to harvest earth. Not every human would suddenly die if we send our fleets to liberate Thessia or Palavan first.

 

Palaven is holding fairly well for most of the game, unless you sabotage the cure with Wrex.

 

Thessia isn't worth the effort to defend it

[Han Shot First]

The Asari have the galaxy's largest economy and Thessia is both the most economically important planet in the galaxy. Its also the galaxy's largest known source of eezo. Thessia is more strategically important than Earth because of its economic value and the strategic value of eezo.

 

At best Earth is maybe the fourth most strategically important homeworld after Sur'Kesh.

[Argolas]

You people are like the Council

[Steelcan]

The Asari have the galaxy's largest economy and Thessia is both the most economically important planet in the galaxy. Its also the galaxy's largest known source of eezo. Thessia is more strategically important than Earth because of its economic value and the strategic value of eezo.

 

At best Earth is maybe the fourth most strategically important homeworld after Sur'Kesh.

 

Its economic value is probably a primarily service based economy, based on trends in economic development in advanced nations, pretty much useless in a war of this scale.

 

Eezo is hardly in short supply it would seem

 

Earth is an important manufacturing base as are many other human colonies.

[wolfhowwl]

Earth is a lost cause and Shepard should have been laughed out of the room for his suggestions.

 

Really the Turians with the most powerful military in the galaxy can't handle the Reapers on their own turf with the full benefit of all their defenses.

 

Yet Shepard wants everyone to engage in an offensive operation to retake a planet that has had its defenses destroyed, fleets driven off, and resistance reduced to infantry. When Udina wanted to do that the game correctly pointed out that it would have likely ended in a one-sided and fruitless bloodbath.

 

I blame this on unfocused writing that really didn't know what it wanted to do.

[Steelcan]

IIRC the plan always was "Build the Crucible, use it to save Earth"

 

Why save Earth?  Because Shepard is a human.

 

And either the Crucible was going to be the weapon that destroyed the reapers or it wasn't, it doesn't really matter where it is deployed first, as long as it is deployed.  For all we know it could have been a giant railgun or some other exotic weapon.

[wright1978]

IIRC the plan always was "Build the Crucible, use it to save Earth"
 
Why save Earth?  Because Shepard is a human.
 
And either the Crucible was going to be the weapon that destroyed the reapers or it wasn't, it doesn't really matter where it is deployed first, as long as it is deployed.  For all we know it could have been a giant railgun or some other exotic weapon.

Shep's also a council spectre who should have option of not having earth tunnel vision. Sadly they went with silly 're-take earth' marketing drivel.

It does matter if you aren't able to successfully deploy it at earth where there is a heavy concentration of reapers.

[Steelcan]

Shep's also a council spectre who should have option of not having earth tunnel vision. Sadly they went with silly 're-take earth' marketing drivel.

It does matter if you aren't able to successfully deploy it at earth where there is a heavy concentration of reapers.

 

Pfft, "SPECTRE" Shepard was a human long before that.

 

And if it doesn't work it doesn't matter what happens because the war is lost no matter what.

[wright1978]

Pfft, "SPECTRE" Shepard was a human long before that.
 
And if it doesn't work it doesn't matter what happens because the war is lost no matter what.

Being human shouldn't equate to being a xenophobe happy to let the galaxy burn unless earth is saved. He/she accepted becoming a spectre with the responsibilities that entails.

I'm suggesting trying to deploy a weapon for the first time in an extremely hot zone where you've got no foothold without being overwhelmed by enemy forces before activation is a considerable unnecessary risk.

[shepskisaac]

Well, Earth wasn't AS super hot zone until Reapers moved Citadel there, throughout the entire game other planets get hammered bad as well.

[Steelcan]

Being human shouldn't equate to being a xenophobe happy to let the galaxy burn unless earth is saved. He/she accepted becoming a spectre with the responsibilities that entails.

I'm suggesting trying to deploy a weapon for the first time in an extremely hot zone where you've got no foothold without being overwhelmed by enemy forces before activation is a considerable unnecessary risk.

 

And being named a SPECTRE shouldn't mean that Shepard has turned his back on humanity.  Besides, you tell me which is more played up in ME3, his SPECTRE status or his military position?

[wright1978]

And being named a SPECTRE shouldn't mean that Shepard has turned his back on humanity.  Besides, you tell me which is more played up in ME3, his SPECTRE status or his military position?

Saving the universe will in turn mean the salvation of humanity.

Well since me3 is sadly absurdly earth focused at the expense of all else it is not a surprise it focuses on his military position.
I'm arguing that focus is neither logical nor good.

[Steelcan]

Saving the universe will in turn mean the salvation of humanity.

Well since me3 is sadly absurdly earth focused at the expense of all else it is not a surprise it focuses on his military position.
I'm arguing that focus is neither logical nor good.

It had to be, there's no way to win over new gamers with "Hey come save these fictional races you know nothing about and are in all honesty pretty bland"

[wright1978]

It had to be, there's no way to win over new gamers with "Hey come save these fictional races you know nothing about and are in all honesty pretty bland"

Well it's a sign of how the needs of the story can get sacrificed at the altar of the needs of ever greater mass market appeal. Me1 centred on stopping reaper capturing the heart of galactic community compared to everyone gather round to save earth whilst everywhere else is being attacked as well and let's move the citadel there too for some reason.

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

Well it's a sign of how the needs of the story can get sacrificed at the altar of the needs of ever greater mass market appeal. Me1 centred on stopping reaper capturing the heart of galactic community compared to everyone gather round to save earth whilst everywhere else is being attacked as well and let's move the citadel there too for some reason.

They were probably trying to get the Halo crowd, I'd guess. 

[shepskisaac]

and let's move the citadel there too for some reason.

This one was clear in the story

[MisterJB]

As a human, Shepard is attempting to protect human interests; in this case, avoiding extinction; much like the other species try to protect theirs.

Nothing unexpected.

[Massa FX]

Maybe the answer to this is that Earth became the first symbol of rebellion against the Reapers. Save Earth... save the galaxy. Unite together and make a stand at Earth and the Reapers will symbollically be defeated.

 

 

... just a thought.

[grey_wind]

Maybe the answer to this is that Earth became the first symbol of rebellion against the Reapers. Save Earth... save the galaxy. Unite together and make a stand at Earth and the Reapers will symbollically be defeated.

 

 

... just a thought.

Palaven is a better symbol of rebellion considering that the Turians are still holding their ground. Earth's military fled after the first couple hours of battle. I'm not saying the retreat was a bad thing (it was Hackett's only option), but as far as symbols of defiance against the Reapers go, the Turian homeworld is a far more powerful propaganda tool.

[Massa FX]

Palaven is a better symbol of rebellion considering that the Turians are still holding their ground. Earth's military fled after the first couple hours of battle. I'm not saying the retreat was a bad thing (it was Hackett's only option), but as far as symbols of defiance against the Reapers go, the Turian homeworld is a far more powerful propaganda tool.

Maybe.

 

But the Turians were loosing until Shepard cured the genophage and the Krogan joined the Turians. To me, that's not a better symbol of rebellion. Humanity is holding out (and dying out) without help up to Priority Earth.

 

Although Hackett left, Anderson remained to rally troops and train civilians to fight.

[Barquiel]

Earth fell in hours. As Anderson said, the resistance abandoned the cities early since the Reaper presence there was too strong. Sure, you have a resistance movement on Earth (just like on Khar'shan, Thessia, etc), but Earth is occupied.

The problem is that Shep consistently insisted that all races must unite to have a chance to defeat the reapers (agreed!) and *thus* other races have to help her retake Earth (and here I have trouble understanding Shepard's argument). Thessia is described as a vital military asset. Palavan is the homeworld of the galaxy's dominant military power. The overal plot of retaking earth doesn't make sense unless I can be convinced of earth's strategic importance before the reapers moved the citadel, and that doesn't happen.