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[DoomsdayDevice]

The Reapers targeting Earth makes strategic sense because they see humanity as the prime genetic material of the cycle to harvest and build a new capital Reaper.

 

“Human; viable possibility, aggression factor useful if controlled.”

 

"Human; viable possibility, impressive genetic malleability.”

 

"Human; viable possibility, impressive technical potential.”

 

"Human; viable possibility, if emotional drives are subjugated.”

 

"Human; viable possibility, great biotic potential.”

 

Besides, they want Shepard. On top of that, they know that if they concentrate on Earth, Shepard will gather the forces of the galaxy and bring them to Earth, so the Reapers can take them all out in one big hit.

[wolfhowwl]

On top of that, they know that if they concentrate on Earth, Shepard will gather the forces of the galaxy and bring them to Earth, so the Reapers can take them all out in one big hit.

There's the problem.
 
Before the Citadel is conveniently moved, why would the forces of the galaxy follow Shepard to Earth at all? What motivation do they have for abandoning their own fight to engage in what is likely a suicidal assault on a world that has already fallen instead of at least making a stand at say Palaven where there is still significant resistance?

[Han Shot First]

It had to be, there's no way to win over new gamers with "Hey come save these fictional races you know nothing about and are in all honesty pretty bland"

 

I do agree with this. Having the focus be on Earth makes sense from a marketing standpoint.

 

I'm also okay with it in principle, I just don't think it was well executed. No reason is ever given in the game for making Earth the focus, rather than Palaven. Had the Earth-centric focus been packaged with some sound strategic reasons for making Earth the focus, I don't think people would complain as much. As it is Shepard and Udina's dialogue in demanding fleets is about on par with "We fight or we die."

[NeonFlux117]

Cause the "anomaly's" home planet isn't Thessia or Palavan. It's Earth. Harbinger is waiting, for the "anomaly" to fulfill it's "destiny" as this cycles Great Betrayer,  Harby is chillin' at Earth waiting for the mental and physiological fortitude of the "anomaly" to be weakened. Primed to be manipulated into "ascension" and to be "Evolved into one DNA".... Also, as Humanity has been chosen as this cycles species to be harvested and created into the new Reaper, it kinda makes sense to focus on Earth huh, cause like, that's where all the Humans are, lol. 

 

That's why. 

[Han Shot First]

Cause the "anomaly's" home planet isn't Thessia or Palavan. It's Earth. Harbinger is waiting, for the "anomaly" to fulfill it's "destiny" as this cycles Great Betrayer,  Harby is chillin' at Earth waiting for the mental and physiological fortitude of the "anomaly" to be weakened. Primed to be manipulated into "ascension" and to be "Evolved into one DNA".... Also, as Humanity has been chosen as this cycles species to be harvested and created into the new Reaper, it kinda makes sense to focus on Earth huh, cause like, that's where all the Humans are, lol. 

 

That's why. 

 

That is all well and good for the Reapers. By why should the Turians send their fleets to Earth? Or the Asari? Or the Salarians? Or the Hanar or the Volus or the Elcor? Ect, Ect.

 

Shepard and co. never make a convincing argument for everybody putting their own worlds on the backburner and focusing on Earth.

[von uber]

Would make am amusing game though; shep spends the entire game solving problems but failing to get the support, there's a final climatic battle around earth as the remainder of the alliance fleet is wiped out.. then we see the asari/turian/salarian fleets escorting the crucible to the citadel and firing it after it had been built within protected asari/turian space or wherever.

[Darks1d3]

That might be amusing to think about(among other things like synthesis being canonized, or the daughter of The Shepard and his love Liara being the next protagonist), but I don't think that would have been a good idea. The fan outrage over the current endings would probably have paled in comparison to the sh*t storm that would have followed if Bioware actually allowed humanity to be the galaxy's guinea pigs. However, it would have been the perfect troll for a large part of the player base who believed in "galactic unity" and who saved the council in ME1.

 

For the record, I am including myself in that "large portion of the player base". I still find it amusing to think about though.

[TurianRebel212]

Yeah. What Flux said pretty much.

 

Shepard did what Shepard does. Kill things and convince people to follow "his" cause.

 

 

The Cult of Shepard....

 

But.

 

Was it really "Shepard"???

 

That's the real interesting question.

 

 

Cause, "my" "your" "our" Shepards...... They got spaced back in 2185 in the Collector attack and desruction of SR1.

 

Death.

 

If Shepard really did "die", wouldn't it remember said death.

 

Funny how Shepard 2.0 doesn't remember things, especially it's own death....

 

Seems to me, that death would be something to be remembered.

 

 

This "Shepard" (ME2/ME3 Shep) is a Revenant, this much is obvious. ME2 hints at this- The Red eyes, broken dermis with red texture, even a Gun called the Revenant- That only Shepard can use-(Other than ENEMIES like the Shadow Broker and Geth Primes of course.). As a Revenant is a Visible Ghost that occupies a phsycial realm or animated Corpse that was brought back from the Grave to terrorize the living and to excute JUST REVENGE against it's killers.

 

Now this fits ME2's plot to a T, but..... If Shepard 2.0 didn't really 'die', cause it's not really "Shepard". Then who and where did it come from??? And who's revenge is it seaking exactly???

 

As a Revenant comes from an "Unholy source"... What is this place it came from??? Not "death" or "heaven", or Paradies or Hell or purgatory.... Then where.

 

Well, the game yet again face slaps you with this. Project Lazarus- Came from "Cerberus"- yet another Latin allusion in Mass Effect.

 

The Illusion of a Man..... Unholy. As a "cerberus" is a three headed Hell Hound guarding the gates of Hell....

 

"Reaper"......

 

YOU evolve along the paths we desire.

 

"Is submission not preferable to extinction?"-Saren

 

"We EVOLVE or we die, that is the way"- Kai Leng

 

"Control is the means of survival"-TIM

 

 

 

 

 

WE FIGHT OR WE DIE-Shepard.

 

 

 

The choice is yours... The paths are open.

[von uber]

 I don't think that would have been a good idea. .

 

Nope, but a more realsitic 'in universe' scenario than the a mnior power leading the charge (but then the other races are deliberatley dumbed down for it to be realsitic).

The funny thing is, the "Ah yes, Reapers" quote is directly contradicted by the Citadel Archives.They knew it was the Reapers. Who nkows what was being planned beyond the knowledge of Shep.

[TurianRebel212]

The Citadel indoctrinates people... Come on now, put on your thinking Caps here. (It's Reaper tech y'all) *hehehehe

 

EVEN JAMES. THE NEW GUY, can feel something "off" about the citadel and quote "It's just not right" lol.

 

 

 

And oh yeah, There's pieces of good ole' Sovereign all in the presidium lake.....

 

Derpdederpdederp herpa derp....

 

 

"Even dead gods can dream".... - Indoctrinated Cerberus scientist. Derelict Reaper. ME2.

 

 

The games gave you all the answers.

 

Not everything is in the derpy codex peeps. Some of the big things require some inference and actual thinking.

 

But.... I'm probably giving BioTroll way to much credit.

 

 

I'm still 99 percent sure it was the "Bahd rieting" theory. Probably.

[Farangbaa]

The Citadel indoctrinates people... Come on now, put on your thinking Caps here. (It's Reaper tech y'all) *hehehehe

 

EVEN JAMES. THE NEW GUY, can feel something "off" about the citadel and quote "It's just not right" lol.

 

 

 

And oh yeah, There's pieces of good ole' Sovereign all in the presidium lake.....

 

Derpdederpdederp herpa derp....

 

 

"Even dead gods can dream".... - Indoctrinated Cerberus scientist. Derelict Reaper. ME2.

 

 

The games gave you all the answers.

 

Not everything is in the derpy codex peeps. Some of the big things require some inference and actual thinking.

 

But.... I'm probably giving BioTroll way to much credit.

 

 

I'm still 99 percent sure it was the "Bahd rieting" theory. Probably.

 

Vendetta.

[TurianRebel212]

Vendetta.

what about Vendetta???

[Farangbaa]

what about Vendetta???

 

He must be broken or something.

 

Or wait, I should rephrase that.. in a way you understand

 

"The clues are in the game... if you see them"

or

"The game gives all the answers... *ominous background music*"

[CronoDragoon]

There's the problem.
 
Before the Citadel is conveniently moved, why would the forces of the galaxy follow Shepard to Earth at all? What motivation do they have for abandoning their own fight to engage in what is likely a suicidal assault on a world that has already fallen instead of at least making a stand at say Palaven where there is still significant resistance?

 

They don't abandon their fight, but they do pledge support to Shepard...after he helps them. The turians' motivation was getting krogan ground troops for Palaven. For the krogan, the genophage cure. For the quarians, Rannoch.

 

So their reasons are understandable: these are not things they get unless Shepard supports them. As for why the humans insist on using that combined support for Earth instead of Palaven...yeah it's not the smart thing. But it goes back to what Ashley said in ME1 and what the Council reiterates: the races are going to look after themselves when push comes to shove.

[TurianRebel212]

Shepard 2.0 does not emit cues and signals of indoctrination... Probably why the Reapers really like Shepard and stuff, among other reasons. Dat Body....

 

Well, I think he probably does. In like, you know during unconsciousness and deep dreaming.... Yeah.

 

Does Shepard ever dream or go unconscious in the series.... *Hehehehe.

 

 

I'd love to bring vendetta into Shep's cabin during Shepard's little dreams about Reaper horns, oily Shadows, whispers in the dark and a dead burning kid.

 

 

 

I don't know about you, but I ALWAYS trust dead burning kids from my "dreams" y'all. Always.

 

 

lulz.

 

Also, and now I can't prove this. But I think when Shepard is around his squadmates, and pals it acts as a buffer against indoctrination signals coming in AND going out.

 

 

Now, is Shepard ever ALONE in the series??? *hehehehe.

[Prizrak232]

 The Reapers moved the Citadel to Earth so they could use it to "harvest" humanity. There reason for focusing on humanity is due to the fact that Shepard has stopped the Reapers twice already and proved to be a dangerous adversary. You have to look at it this way the last time the Reapers seen humans we were babbling idiots in a cave chasing furry elephants. Now a human "Shepard" killed a Reaper and stopped there plans twice so they are a little surprised.

 

 But the whole reason the galaxies fleets converged on Earth. Is because they needed the Citadel to fire the "Crucible" so it was either stay on the defense and lose quicker against a supperior force. Or go on the offensive and hope to god that the "Crucible" works and the Reapers are defeated and if not try to take out as many Reapers as possible since majority of them are on Earth harvesting humanity.

[CronoDragoon]

 But the whole reason the galaxies fleets converged on Earth. Is because they needed the Citadel to fire the "Crucible" so it was either stay on the defense and lose quicker against a supperior force. Or go on the offensive and hope to god that the "Crucible" works and the Reapers are defeated and if not try to take out as many Reapers as possible since majority of them are on Earth harvesting humanity.

 

Right, the plan to attack Earth makes sense once it's established that they need the Citadel for the Crucible, and once the Reapers move the Citadel to Earth. I don't think anyone's arguing that.

 

It's just that before that happens, there's a period of time in the game where they are simultaneously putting all their resources into building the Crucible...and still talking about forging an alliance to retake Earth. So it's a bit less focused in the middle section of the game which leads to a bit of confusion.

[Farangbaa]

Shepard 2.0 does not emit cues and signals of indoctrination... Probably why the Reapers really like Shepard and stuff, among other reasons. Dat Body....

 

Well, I think he probably does. In like, you know during unconsciousness and deep dreaming.... Yeah.

 

Does Shepard ever dream or go unconscious in the series.... *Hehehehe.

 

 

I'd love to bring vendetta into Shep's cabin during Shepard's little dreams about Reaper horns, oily Shadows, whispers in the dark and a dead burning kid.

 

 

 

I don't know about you, but I ALWAYS trust dead burning kids from my "dreams" y'all. Always.

 

 

lulz.

 

Also, and now I can't prove this. But I think when Shepard is around his squadmates, and pals it acts as a buffer against indoctrination signals coming in AND going out.

 

 

Now, is Shepard ever ALONE in the series??? *hehehehe.

 

I love you IT-guys, I really do.

 

You constantly accuse other people of "not being able to read the story", "not picking up the clues" and "overlooking the obvious". Yet, the biggest, most obvious clue of them all, Vendetta, you come up with most ridiculious ideas to make them work in your IT-fantasy.

 

Squadmates a buffer against incoming and outgoing indoctrination signals. BWAHAHAHA.

Shepard has to be dreaming for Vendetta to notice. Say what? That Kai Leng is one HELL of a sleepwalker.

 

Instead of taking the logical, obvious conclusion that Shepard is not indoctrinated, you come up with the wildest theories to make your theory work, and have the audicity of accusing others of not seeing the obvious, and not using the answers the game gives you.

 

Hilarious

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

Nope, but a more realsitic 'in universe' scenario than the a mnior power leading the charge (but then the other races are deliberatley dumbed down for it to be realsitic).

The funny thing is, the "Ah yes, Reapers" quote is directly contradicted by the Citadel Archives.They knew it was the Reapers. Who nkows what was being planned beyond the knowledge of Shep.

Yeah, I can see why the council didn't exactly shout from the rooftops that a race of sentient superstarships were coming to annihilate everyone. Having that kind of panic would only help the Reapers. They did start building up their fleets. They were preparing. 

[TurianRebel212]

I love you IT-guys, I really do.

 

You constantly accuse other people of "not being able to read the story", "not picking up the clues" and "overlooking the obvious". Yet, the biggest, most obvious clue of them all, Vendetta, you come up with most ridiculious ideas to make them work in your IT-fantasy.

 

Squadmates a buffer against incoming and outgoing indoctrination signals. BWAHAHAHA.

Shepard has to be dreaming for Vendetta to notice. Say what? That Kai Leng is one HELL of a sleepwalker.

 

Instead of taking the logical, obvious conclusion that Shepard is not indoctrinated, you come up with the wildest theories to make your theory work, and have the audicity of accusing others of not seeing the obvious, and not using the answers the game gives you.

 

Hilarious

 

 

Bro, get on my level.

 

 

Nah, but I don't really care if you or any other person believes in IT. I think it's a pretty sound interpretation for the ending, I personally hold it to be mine.

 

If you don't that's cool.

[Farangbaa]

Bro, get on my level.

 

 

Nah, but I don't really care if you or any other person believes in IT. I think it's a pretty sound interpretation for the ending, I personally hold it to be mine.

 

If you don't that's cool.

 

No you don't. Your previous posts are filled with insinuation's that people who don't believe in IT are morons. 

 

Faced with evidence against your delusion you come up with even more proposterous delusions and eventually say you don't care what I believe.

 

Again, hilarious.

[TurianRebel212]

Let it go bro, I really don't care. I was just throwing my thoughts out there about it. If you don't agree with it, that's your prerogative.

 

To each their own.

 

But still.

 

Get on my level bro.

[Farangbaa]

Then stop insinuating that others are idiots for not believing what you believe. 

[NeonFlux117]

TR, you gotta dumb down when you come here on the ole' BSN data hive. 

 

To much logic dawg. Posting things like you've posted requires way to much logic for BSN. 

 

Just roll with it bro. 

 

 

 

 

BTW, Darksouls 2 is overrated. Yeah, I said it TR. 

[TurianRebel212]

TR, you gotta dumb down when you come here on the ole' BSN data hive. 

 

To much logic dawg. Posting things like you've posted requires way to much logic for BSN. 

 

Just roll with it bro. 

 

 

 

 

BTW, Darksouls 2 is overrated. Yeah, I said it TR. 

 

Scrub. Get on my level brah.