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[Lulupab]

So as a girl I always kept Kaidan alive. I wanted to play a very different playthrough, making the decisions I usually never made therefore I kept Ashley alive this time. In ME2 Miranda did Kaidan's job, having access to both warp and overload and good supportive passive, she was the most versatile squadmate in ME2, everything was fine until ME3...

 

 

I hardly found any use for Ashley she is just another weapon damage dealer. Kaidan was just perfect, he could destroy both barriers (reave) and shields (overload) not to mention he could weaken armor (cyroblast) and deal high damage to armor as well (reave). You could also make him very tanky with taking damage reduction route of reave and barrier, forgoing cyroblast. on top of it all he can equip assault rifles! Talk about being the true versatile squadmate. He could fit in any situation/mission and in Insanity where everyone has barriers/shields and many enemies have string armor I found Ashley to sitting ducks in Normandy while Kaidan was in every mission.

 

I'm not just saying this as Kaidan fan, I like characters who are useful in combat and Ashley is not one of them. She has a good character and I liked her but she is definitely weaker than Kaidan. In theory if we make Shepard like Kaidan aka a Sentinel then perhaps Ashley can be used. Honestly James is just better than her too, she is like a less tanky version of James. 

 

Any thoughts?

[Br3admax]

I'm sure all of that is true. For your playstyle. That being said, Ashley most certainly is not "useless" and I found her to be much more effective than Kaidan. But of course that was for my playstyle. 

[Lulupab]

I'm sure all of that is true. For your playstyle. That being said, Ashley most certainly is not "useless" and I found her to be much more effective than Kaidan. But of course that was for my playstyle. 

What was your class? Also Insanity?

 

I don't see why we need another weapon focused squadmate. I mean there is Garrus and James already. She doesn't have much to offer. Kaidan is quite unique offering biotics, tech and assault rifle.

[Br3admax]

What was your class? Also Insanity?

 

I don't see why we need another weapon focused squadmate. I mean there is Garrus and James already. She doesn't have much to offer. Kaidan is quite unique offering biotics, tech and assault rifle.

Difficulty is irrelevant. And yes, I played on Insanity. As to my class, had nothing to do with it. Again, this is about my playstyle, which is consistent for me across classes. 

 

Having an assualt rifle is hardly important in the slightest. Anyway, I don't focus on only one squad mate to get me through, so I don't focus on Kaiden being a Sentinel to get me through situations. That may be how you do it, but it's not how I do it. Ashley was useless for you. That doesn't mean she's useless overall. 

[themikefest]

In ME3 Ashley is alive for most of my playthroughs. She is very strong as a squadmate and a mini-tank. She doesn't need to be babysat during any mission and when she has the Black Widow she kills everything in sight.

 

I've had Kaidan as a squadmate a few times and he too is strong and doesn't need to be babysat during missions. I always put him and James together.

[Lulupab]

Difficulty is irrelevant. And yes, I played on Insanity. As to my class, had nothing to do with it. Again, this is about my playstyle, which is consistent for me across classes. 

 

Having an assualt rifle is hardly important in the slightest. Anyway, I don't focus on only one squad mate to get me through, so I don't focus on Kaiden being a Sentinel to get me through situations. That may be how you do it, but it's not how I do it. Ashley was useless for you. That doesn't mean she's useless overall. 

Of course she can be used, she is not without usage but in comparison to other squadmates she has much less to offer. And why difficulty is irrelevant? Kaidan shines on higher difficulties where everyone either has barrier or shield or armor, or combination of them.

 

Also assault rifles are generally good against defensed as they fire rapidly, it further adds to Kaidan's versatility.

 

You can beat the game with 3 soldiers sure but its much less fun and can be frustrating at times. When you have tech and biotics covered Ashley can be used properly, But Kaidan can cover both biotics and techs, enabling you to take whoever you like.

 

Elaborate what is more "effective" about Ashley that makes him better than kaidan as you mentioned it in your post. Explain to me what she can do on Insanity that is specific to her.

 

To be honest sentinels are overpowered and Kaidan is one, as simple as that.

[Br3admax]

Of course she can be used, she is not without usage but in comparison to other squadmates she has much less to offer. And why difficulty is irrelevant? Kaidan shines on higher difficulties where everyone either has barrier or shield or armor, or combination of them.

 

Also assault rifles are generally good against defensed as they fire rapidly, it further adds to Kaidan's versatility.

 

You can beat the game with 3 soldiers sure but its much less fun and can be frustrating at times. When you have tech and biotics covered Ashley can be used properly, But Kaidan can cover both biotics and techs, enabling you to take whoever you like.

 

Elaborate what is more "effective" about Ashley that makes him better than kaidan as you mentioned it in your post. Explain to me what she can do on Insanity that is specific to her.

 

To be honest sentinels are overpowered and Kaidan is one, as simple as that.

1. Not really when I have plenty of squadmates more useful at removing shields and barriers. Again this is about how you, yourself, like to utilize squadmates

 

2. Not really. If I want a biotic with an assault rifle, I'd use Javik. But again, assualt rifles matter very little in the effectiveness of squadmates. 

 

3. Kaidan isn't the best squadmate for using tech or biotic abilities, so o, he doesn't really shine over anything. Again, this is how you play.

 

4. As in she doesn't die every five minutes. Also, Marksman has never glitched out for me, so I find that very effective. Finally, that is about the way i play, and I play less squadmate power supported. You can't use how you play a character to determine how effective they are for everyone.

 

5. He's a watered down tech with one move, Reave, that actually even makes him worth using. You're giving him way too much credit. 

[Lulupab]

Lol @ "Ashley is useless". Is ANY squadmate useless? Like REALLY?

Hmm maybe useless was the wrong word... I better change the title.

 

However she is less powerful than most squadmates, especially Kaidan.

[Lulupab]

1. Not really when I have plenty of squadmates more useful at removing shields and barriers. Again this is about how you, yourself, like to utilize squadmates

 

2. Not really. If I want a biotic with an assault rifle, I'd use Javik. But again, assualt rifles matter very little in the effectiveness of squadmates. 

 

3. Kaidan isn't the best squadmate for using tech or biotic abilities, so o, he doesn't really shine over anything. Again, this is how you play.

 

4. As in she doesn't die every five minutes. Also, Marksman has never glitched out for me, so I find that very effective. Finally, that is about the way i play, and I play less squadmate power supported. You can't use how you play a character to determine how effective they are for everyone.

 

5. He's a watered down tech with one move, Reave, that actually even makes him worth using. You're giving him way too much credit. 

 

1. Kaidan passive makes him deal either highest biotic damage or highest tech damage depending on upgrades chosen (compared to squadmates not shepard). The last upgrade applies to all squad mates, making a squad that has Kaidan in it much more effective in breaking shield/barriers than any squad. Check his passive power.

 

2. Javik cannot instantly remove any barrier/shield however he is the best armor destroyer so take your pick. Kaidan is still the most Versatile

 

3. Again if you look it up Kaidan can deal highest biotic or tech damage depending on upgrades chosen, I've tested it myself. If you upgrade his biotics via passive and barrier his reave deals more damage than Liara's warp and if you upgrade his tech powers his overload deals same damage as EDI's, which is the highest among squad mates.

 

4. How amusing, Kaidan is tankier than Ashley in every aspect. He gets damage reduction from both reave and barrier and he can dangle enemies by exploding barrier and survive thanks to dangle crowd control.

 

5. As explained before he can be on par on chosen field, biotic or tech with best user of said field. He can match EDI's overload damage while still having a good enough Reave to use to break barriers and protect himself.

[Ribosome]

and in Insanity where everyone has barriers/shields

 

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

 

what

[Lulupab]

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

 

what

What do you mean what? even husks have them on Insanity. 

[Ribosome]

What do you mean what? even husks have them on Insanity. 

 

yeah, in ME2. unless we're not playing the same game or something

[Lulupab]

Right husks don't have them on ME3. But really almost all of enemies do.

[Ribosome]

anyways I always found these quarrels over squadmate effectiveness silly as it's single player where enemies are super weak and shepard is the one pulling most of the weight, but regardless, my 2¢: ash has the best grenade power in the game, concussive shot, and AR+sniper bonuses in her passive

 

the only thing james has that tops any of that is access to a better ammo power, so i can't say I agree with your assessment that she is some how worse than james. durability is really irrelevant on squadmates because specing everything for damage over health/tankiness ends battles faster and dead enemies can't hurt a thing. simple really

 

again tho, it's single player which is so mind-bogglingly easy in the first place that any combination of squadmates works and the implication of any of them being weak is a bit ludicrous imo. For me, Kaidan is alive more often than Ash but I rank them about even based on my own playstyles and experiences. His access to assault rifles is quite invaluable, and reave is one of the best biotic primers hands down. I never really bother with cryo blast because there are so few atlases, etc. in SP where it just becomes too situational

[capn233]

Everyone is entitled to believe what they want.  But here are some other things worth mentioning:

 

Ash is much more weapon focused than James.  Only Ash and Garrus have base weapon damage modifier evolutions in passive to help offset the 0.3x multiplier to weapon damage that all squadmates get.  These are their SR Damage and AR Damage evolutions respectively (Rank 5 and 6, flip flopped between them).

 

Ash has Inferno Grenades which are nice as AOE primers, and most likely interact with glitched Incendiary Ammo stacking in SP just like in MP.  Concussive Shot has an ok cooldown as far as detonator powers go.  Is also a primer with Amplification and Incendiary Ammo.

 

The big issue with Kaidan as I see it is overlap with other squadmates, especially on the tech side.  He does have a decent enough biotic skillset, and might be able to compete with Javik.  Liara's Singularity has such a fast cooldown, and since most enemies on Insanity are not protected, it is quite useful (also can stick protected units), and really she is better than Kaidan if you can keep her alive.

[cap and gown]

I find both to be quite strong in ME3, though Kaiden works best with Biotic team mates.

 

Kaiden's bread and butter is Area Reeve. His overload overlaps with Garrus and EDI. His cryoblast is OK, I suppose, but I have never been a fan of the ice powers except snap freeze which doesn't exsist in SP. Kaiden can use the Typhoon which wrecks enemies.

 

Ash is actually more versitile as far as which team mates she can work with. Her Inferno Grenades are awsome as a primer for both tech and biotic detonators. Her concussive shot has a faster cool down than Kaiden's powers: 6.5 seconds. Her passives make her a very strong weapon wielder. And she can use the Typhoon.

 

I used to think Kaiden was better, but after using Ashley on a number of missions I came to appreciate just how good she can be. The fastest I have ever killed Clone Shep was with an Ashley/Vega team: a regular grenade party.

[RZIBARA]

Try using Ashley when she's armed with a N7 Typhoon and Black Widow (and her officer tree specced for weapon damage), then we'll talk

[Lulupab]

Hmm so when do you usually use Ashley then? Maybe I need to change my class? Not like I tried to have Ashley in all of my saves...

 

The one in which I saved Ashley I'm a vanguard in ME3. Generally when I'm Vanguard I bring Kaidan and Garrus with me. I'm combat + biotics. Garrus is combat + tech and Kaidan is biotics + tech, two of each. I use shotgun, I make Garrus use sniper and improve his sniper abilities and Kaidan uses assault rifle, its just too good and all missions are a breeze. Not to mention they both my fav characters. This team lacks nothing.

 

However this time there is no Kaidan and I want to see this effectiveness you speak of so what do you suggest I do? Change my class (with save editor) or bring specific squadmates? The only use A vanguard shepard has for a soldier is to soak damage and distract enemies and destroy barrier/shields, I don't need damage.

[RZIBARA]

I play soldier, and usually bring Garrus and Ashley along with me. Ashley tears everything apart, Garrus does good work with the overload 

[Ribosome]

Abuse her grenades. Light everything on fire.

[cap and gown]

As a Vanguard the main thing you can do with Ashley is have her prime fire explosions with her grenades. Take the Radius evolution at rank 4 of Charge, have Ash toss a grenade into a group of enemies, then charge in. You'll get 3 explosions.

 

As a Vanguard, though, I find I almost forget I have team mates at all. It is just Charge, Charge, Charge.

[Lulupab]

Yes I got it! She should equip a sniper rifle most of the time. She just exposes herself to fire a lot with an assault rifle and she doesn't have barrier nor protection buff of reave and in Insanity it means death for her. Sniper rifle however is another story. Garrus has the same problem, dying a lot with assault rifle but his sniper usage makes up for that.

 

Using her with sniper rifle right now, she is not bad. But I still think Kaidan is better! 

[mopotter]

I'm sure all of that is true. For your playstyle. That being said, Ashley most certainly is not "useless" and I found her to be much more effective than Kaidan. But of course that was for my playstyle. 

Exactly. playstyle.    I am a major Kaidan fan and almost always take him with me if he survived V, no matter what my class is, but if I'm playing a game where he didn't survive, I'll take Ash and Garrus, or Ash and Tali or the choices are pretty open since I really haven't found any of them useless, depending on how I'm playing.  

[Farangbaa]

Level up that grenade to use against armor and to prime for fire explosions and use her disruptor ammo to prime for tech burst

 

I have no idea how that equates to being useless. Especially not when you're a vanguard and all that priming makes your life even easier than it already is. Biotic charge is a detonator for EVERYTHING that's primed.

 

And she get high damage output to boot. Far, far, far from useless.

 

edit: to be perfectly honest though, your squadmates are irrelevant when you play a Vanguard in ME3. It's nice to have someone that can take down shields. Nice, but nothing more. Vanguard is extremely powerful in ME3.