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[wcholcombe]

Seriously it has occurred to me that the person responsible for the viel tear has been working an awful long time at this gambit.  Gaider and company talk about when playing DAI it will become apparent that it is convenient that no one else who would normally be able to address the Tears is able to do so-

Orlais-civil war----Could be setup

Grey Wardens-up to some scheme----Could be setup

Ferelden-Recovering from the blight--- Its possible a powerful enough person could cause a blight and the mess in Awakenings--and lets be honest if they cause massive viel tears they are pretty powerful.

Chantry/Templars/Circle- at each others throats and possible just smacked down at the peace conference-easily caused and manipulated

Nevarra-Power struggle over succession-not certain about specifics, but again not the most difficult thing to pull off

 

 

So the agency behind all this has been working at it sense at least before DAO:

Things they could have done:

-Been involved in removing Maric from Ferelden to weaken it

-Manipulated the Celene/Calain situation and made sure Lohgain knew of it to further manipulate events

-Somehow managed to cause the blight to happen when it did-hey it could be done, especially if you know where the old gods are located

-Could have been responsible for starting Uldred down the path that led to the Broken Circle to weaken Mage Templar relations

-Possibly been responsible for creation of the Architect, I don't think we know yet where he came from

-Could have easily manipulated events in Kirkwall leading ot what happened

-Possibly played a role in Justina becoming Divine

-Easily been involved in the Orlais Rebellion

-Could have been the one who actually was behind Jeannolts attack on the Divine resulting in Lambert taking ove the tower and further events to take their course.

 

Etc Etc Etc.

 

Yes I know it is all very Macheivellian and grandiose and some of it I am probably wrong about and some I have probably missed, however, I can definitely say these events are related and there is a reason why the world is in the shape it currently is.

 

 

We have only met in game one entity that I feel could achieve this kind of machinations.  Flemeth.  Doesn't mean it is her, and in fact I don't think it is, but if we have met the entity responsible she would be the 1st on my list.  I hope it isn't and don't believe it is, Flemeth is too grand and large a character for her to suddenly be the bad guy we defeat.  She is like in DAO, even when we think we have beaten her, we find out we haven't and it as all her plan anyway.  There may come a time when we truly do have to move against Flemeth and permeanantly remove her from the board, I will be sorry to see it happen and the Dragon Age world will be the poorer without her, but I don't see it happening soon.

 

So who then?  I don't know, Tevinter has been quiet for a bit even with thier battles with the Qunari, it could be a magister plot to restore the Imperium,  some unknown force we haven't encountered....possibly, a dalish plot--unlikely too complex and far reaching. That isn't a slight to the dalish, but if they did try something like this I would think it would be more centered in a specific area with a more exact goal.  Mass destabilization doesn't fit them as much. 

 

Again, currently I don't know but if I had to guess I would say Magisters/Tevinter though I don't really think so....

 

[hexaligned]

So a DA version of Ishamael in other words.  I would be ok with that, but I don't think that's going to be the case.  

[Fast Jimmy]

Ferelden-Recovering from the blight--- Its possible a powerful enough person could cause a blight and the mess in Awakenings--and lets be honest if they cause massive viel tears they are pretty powerful.

 

Well, we did find out The Architect was responsible for all of the events in DA:O and Awakening. Just thought I'd put that out there...

[Zack_Nero]

Well, I do agree with the fact causing the veil tear would take years of planning.  And I do believe it is someone that has a strong connection to the fade.  However, I don't think it would be Flemeth she got something planned but veil tears would put the world in chaos.  And that is why I don't think she be behind it, she doesn't care about the world that, the only reason she helped out in the Blight was because it would affect her in a way.  Unless there is a major benefit from the veil tears, I don't think she'll be behind it.  I personally think it would be Cole, but it is hard to say.  Unless we know how the veil tears would affect the world it would be hard to tell who is behind it.

[JobacNoor]

The Dragon Illuminati? 

[Lvl20DM]

It the person or group responsible is sufficiently long-lived, then perhaps it's mostly been some manipulation coupled with decades of patience. The question for me is, why even do this at all? That will be the thrust of the game's plot, I think - finding out not just the who, but the why and the how.

[Fast Jimmy]

It the person or group responsible is sufficiently long-lived, then perhaps it's mostly been some manipulation coupled with decades of patience. The question for me is, why even do this at all? That will be the thrust of the game's plot, I think - finding out not just the who, but the why and the how.

 

Space ninjas.

[TKavatar]

The Qunari would benefit most from a weakened Thedas due to the veil tear and the Mage-Templar war.

I also read an interesting theory somewhere that it was the work of the Grey Wardens who accidentally tore the veil trying to kill the remainder of the archdemons in the Fade.

Or it could be a cult of tevinter magisters trying to replicate their greatest feat.

[wcholcombe]

The Qunari would benefit most from a weakened Thedas due to the veil tear and the Mage-Templar war.

I also read an interesting theory somewhere that it was the work of the Grey Wardens who accidentally tore the veil trying to kill the remainder of the archdemons in the Fade.

Or it could be a cult of tevinter magisters trying to replicate their greatest feat.

 

Thats unlikely. The Qunari have shown no interest or ability for political manipulation.  Gaider all but comes out in a video and says that someone is behind all the forces that would normally address the viel tears being unable to do so.

[wcholcombe]

Well, we did find out The Architect was responsible for all of the events in DA:O and Awakening. Just thought I'd put that out there...

True, but that doesn't mean he wasn't someone elses tool. Plus, we still don't know where he came from.  A powerful mage could have created him to do just that.

[wcholcombe]

Well, I do agree with the fact causing the veil tear would take years of planning.  And I do believe it is someone that has a strong connection to the fade.  However, I don't think it would be Flemeth she got something planned but veil tears would put the world in chaos.  And that is why I don't think she be behind it, she doesn't care about the world that, the only reason she helped out in the Blight was because it would affect her in a way.  Unless there is a major benefit from the veil tears, I don't think she'll be behind it.  I personally think it would be Cole, but it is hard to say.  Unless we know how the veil tears would affect the world it would be hard to tell who is behind it.

I don't think it is her like I said, but she would be capable of all the manipulation I don't doubt.  Plus, some say Morrigan is a pawn in her plan to bring back the old gods, than  destabilizing the current world to allow the old gods to come back to supremacy would be possible.  Again, I don't think it is Flemeth, just saying.

 

Oh and it isn't Cole.  He isn't treacherous or creative enough and has no way to have manipulated events to bring the world to this point.

[wcholcombe]

It the person or group responsible is sufficiently long-lived, then perhaps it's mostly been some manipulation coupled with decades of patience. The question for me is, why even do this at all? That will be the thrust of the game's plot, I think - finding out not just the who, but the why and the how.

 

The only ones we currently know would be the Imperium if they planned and plotted all this in an effort to weaken the world and allow the Imperium to reestablish itself.  An entire Thedas under Magister Blood Mage rule would have no trouble throwing the Qunari back into the Sea.

[TKavatar]

Thats unlikely. The Qunari have shown no interest or ability for political manipulation.  Gaider all but comes out in a video and says that someone is behind all the forces that would normally address the viel tears being unable to do so.

You mean they haven't shown any interest or political ability so far in the past 2 games. Remember we only met their warriors and Tallis. Besides they have tons of spies throughout Thedas.

I wouldn't be surprised if this was a part of their plan to reeducate all the 'bas' once and for all.

[Zack_Nero]

I don't think it is her like I said, but she would be capable of all the manipulation I don't doubt.  Plus, some say Morrigan is a pawn in her plan to bring back the old gods, than  destabilizing the current world to allow the old gods to come back to supremacy would be possible.  Again, I don't think it is Flemeth, just saying.

 

Oh and it isn't Cole.  He isn't treacherous or creative enough and has no way to have manipulated events to bring the world to this point.

Well at the end of Asunder, Cole wasn't even Cole, it was a demon using an entity that used the empty shell or spirit form of Cole's body.   Okay, writing that didn't make a whole lot of sense but I still believe it.  Also I still think we can say who is behind it til it is known what it will do.  Veil tears, easy access to the fade, or for demons and spirits to come out.  Maybe it's Justice so he can just go home.  Am not going to say who is behind it til I know exactly what it can do.

[Rowan]

Thats unlikely. The Qunari have shown no interest or ability for political manipulation.

What about the events in Mark of the Assassin? We never got to read the list of names at the end of the DLC. Some very influent people in Thedas may be following the Qun.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

 

-Somehow managed to cause the blight to happen when it did-hey it could be done, especially if you know where the old gods are located

-Possibly been responsible for creation of the Architect, I don't think we know yet where he came from

 

 

The Architect was the one who caused the Blight to happen when it did, and from all we know it was just a random mutation. We don't really know that for sure, and he's able to duplicate his nature artificially, but he doesn't seem to remember this happening. Of course, he could simply be lying about everything he says, so there's that. 

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

What about the events in Mark of the Assassin? We never got to read the list of names at the end of the DLC. Some very influent people in Thedas may be following the Qun.

This isn't their thing, I don't think. "The Qun is very clear about demons. Destroy them. Quickly. Efficiently. Now."

[wcholcombe]

You mean they haven't shown any interest or political ability so far in the past 2 games. Remember we only met their warriors and Tallis. Besides they have tons of spies throughout Thedas.

I wouldn't be surprised if this was a part of their plan to reeducate all the 'bas' once and for all.

No, I mean in the lore they have never demonstrated political manipulation or such attempts.  The Qun and the Qunari as so far presented are largely based on the idea that the bas will be brought under the Qun through Conquest.  Yes they have spies and such, but in a military manner, everything we know about the Qun, political intrigue doesn't even exist in their world.

 

Well at the end of Asunder, Cole wasn't even Cole, it was a demon using an entity that used the empty shell or spirit form of Cole's body.   Okay, writing that didn't make a whole lot of sense but I still believe it.  Also I still think we can say who is behind it til it is known what it will do.  Veil tears, easy access to the fade, or for demons and spirits to come out.  Maybe it's Justice so he can just go home.  Am not going to say who is behind it til I know exactly what it can do.

 

He is still a simple demon.  He hasn't been running around Thedas for the last 20 or so years manipulating events.  The viel Tears aren't the goal, they are a tool just like the mage war, orleian civil war, whatever the bloody Grey wardens are up to etc.

What about the events in Mark of the Assassin? We never got to read the list of names at the end of the DLC. Some very influent people in Thedas may be following the Qun.

The scroll is a list of sleeper agent. Again Espionage fits the Qunari for knowledge of military and such, I just don't see them pulling political strings like this.

[wcholcombe]

The Architect was the one who caused the Blight to happen when it did, and from all we know it was just a random mutation. We don't really know that for sure, and he's able to duplicate his nature artificially, but he doesn't seem to remember this happening. Of course, he could simply be lying about everything he says, so there's that. 

If he was created by someone, that doesn't mean he would be aware of that.  Again I am just saying Gaider specifically mentions the coincidence of Ferelden recovering from a blight when all this happens.  He also mentions most of the other examples I listed.

[Bond]

I bet two bucks on exodia.

[PsychoBlonde]

It could be a setup--but it also could be that they're an opportunist taking advantage of the situation.  Or some combination of the two.

 

Guess we'll have to wait and see.

[Ieldra]

OP, yes this is indeed very interesting. I think whoever is behind it all has been pulling strings for a few hundred years, he or she or it isn't human and we haven't met them before. I also think they and Flemeth are playing some kind of cosmic chess game against each other.

[wcholcombe]

It could be a setup--but it also could be that they're an opportunist taking advantage of the situation.  Or some combination of the two.

 

Guess we'll have to wait and see.

 

Again, Gaider has all but said someone is behind all of the goings on.

OP, yes this is indeed very interesting. I think whoever is behind it all has been pulling strings for a few hundred years, he or she or it isn't human and we haven't met them before. I also think they and Flemeth are playing some kind of cosmic chess game against each other.

I am not convinced that they are the ones Flementh is matched up against.  I am not convinced they are not human either.  They could be human.  Could just be an order that has survived over the years or a blood mage group that has found Flemeth or others ways to extend their lives.  It will be interesting.

[Banxey]

I had this crazy theory which relates to this subject. Basically, the Old God who spoke to the Magisters, wasn't actually Dumat, but rather something who wanted them to open Pandora's Box with the intention of getting the Old Gods out of the way, and possibly trapping something within the Golden/Black city. I also think this entity was the same one who spoke to Andraste, and manipulated events to create the Chantry. What it is, I would say is a sort of trickster god ( basically Fen'Harel - for lack of any other name) who wasn't as powerful as the Gods, but was smarter than them. 

 

To me it looks like a long con. But if you are immortal, what difference does time make. The end game is of course to tear the veil and restore the world to what it was previously.

[Master Warder Z_]

I personally don't buy into an dragon age Illuminati; That said i do think a group, organization or guild is behind the Veil tears but i think they are merely a hireling if i am being honest. This Veil Tearing is a clear destabilization tactic, that much is clear but the Imperium is too distant, too weakened and too distracted by its own flow of events to be behind in most likely hood.

 

Qunari? Not their style nor their strength; Prefer Martial invasion.

 

One of the Kingdoms of Thedas? They are all otherwise occupied or effected by the event.

 

...i don't believe it's Flemeth or a deity of some kind behind it either; But i'd say the threat is mystical, not flesh.

 

Demons have intelligence and cunning, and they have patience; I wouldn't be surprised if they had a few followers in the mortal world working to bring their greater aspects into Thedosian reality.