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[Jack Druthers]

Is the only difference between Corypheus and the Architech is that Corypheus entered the black city?  I haven't played Legacy, so not totally clued up on him.

[Dio Demon]

Is the only difference between Corypheus and the Architech is that Corypheus entered the black city?  I haven't played Legacy, so not totally clued up on him.

Corypheus apparently was one of the original darkspawn, one of the magisters that entered the Golden City. He claims that it was black when they entered. As for Architect there is speculation that he is similar to Corypheus but there is not much evidence.

[Jack Druthers]

@The Sin you peak my interest. Are you suggesting more than one puppet master?

[Jack Druthers]

So do we know if they have been around for the same amount of time?  Darkspawn were sentient and talking way before the events of awakening.

[Dean_the_Young]

What counts as 'way before'? Darkspawn have their own sort of hive-mind awareness, but the Architect was the first individually intelligent one I can think of. Yes, it was active before Awakening, but who else? Corpheus's intelligence during the first Blight is an open mystery- he may have  been enthralled under Dumat, and only sentient now for a lack of Archdemon.

 

I'm not sure we can suspect the Architect is an ancient magister just because of his unique shape, but I wouldn't be terribly surprised if it turns to be true and he's been amnesiac about it all.

 

 

 

In so much that there's a greater conspiracy behind this all, I'm betting on a mix of deep lore actors from long forgotten times. Beings that may have been viewed as gods by the various cultures, regardless of what they were: the Old Gods, the Elvish Pantheon, Andraste's patron, Ancient Demonic Hierarchies in the Fade, Flemeth. (Not that these are mutually exclusive, mind you.) The extreme elite of Thedasian societies would just be tangentially aware of these games through their holdings of secret lore, and minor actors in the games of beings who probably don't particularly care about us as a whole. The Wardens who know of the secret Old God prison are probably keeping that prison intact rather than just kill the Archdemon-to-be out of some secret knowledge. The mage-agitators in Kirkwall helping to escalate the tensions there are definite proxies... but the proxy for who in the end is open for question. Are they just the pawns of Tevinter? Or is Tevinter itself acting at the behest/machinations of some other actor?

 

As for DAO and the Blight, from what we know it strikes me as far more likely that the Blight was the catalyst that initiated this latest phase rather than the planned part of it. We know who started it (the Architect), and we've little reason to suspect his version of events: that it was an accident in an attempt to prevent it in the first place. Outside of the Architect's own coming into awareness being at the instigation of someone else, who then planned on the Architect kicking it off, it seems likely the Blight really was an accident of circumstance- one that would happen anyway, eventually (digging Darkspawn and all that), but not a deliberate move.

 

Instead, the events of the Blight change the status quo enough that further machinations have become viable. The most immediate opportunity was claiming the soul of an Old God: they are almost certainly actors in this great game, and the chance to claim one was almost certainly the entire motivation of Flemeth and Morrigan helping the Warden in DAO. With that move started, Flemeth definitely leaves her centuries-old shelter in the Wilds- out of personal safety, but also as to start acting elsewhere? She certainly keeps wide contacts in the world.

 

After that, things became easier for actors: with the Blight having ravaged Ferelden, the South is in disarray. Then exploiting the mage-templar divisions of Kirkwall, always simmering, could upset the center of the continent and trigger a world conflict. 'How' it happens is less important than the greater stresses leading it to, and stirring chaos would allow actors to move more easily and begin asserting greater influence.

[Spectre slayer]

someone has to be behind it? Maybe it's just a natural consequence of magic use and people visiting the fade. Punch enough holes in a barrier and eventually it'll break.

The Devs did say during the games com dev diary that the villian created the veil tear and again the game informer stuff including the cover story where they say we have a single antagonist that's behind all the chaos going around and planned it so they would have the perfect time to strike when they knew everyone would be at their weakest and preoccupied with their own stuff and infighting.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://m.youtube.com...h?v=GsqG6SPQU3M

 

 

Btw op it was Laidlaw not Gaider who said that stuff in the videos.

 

Anyway probably around 10-25 years or less than that, the rumor of the sixth blight in the anderfells, possibly Maric's disappearance and worked with Titus since at one point some people in robes popped into the fade and said all part of the plan then, involved with the grey wardens, involved with the mage vs templar conflict to a fair degree since there's some indication that outside forces were involved in that with Leliana's cameo and a bunch of other thing's.

 

Probably created or furthered the scism in the chantry against the Qunari that Patrice was apart of and mentioned, the red Templar splinter faction, civil wars, conflicts with nations, the venatori cult etc.

 

 

I doubt it's Coryepheus who was imprisoned for a long time and has only been free for a little while, doubt it's either Flemeth or Morrgain and it's unlikely Flemeth is an old god for numerous reasons, doubt it's Dumat since he's dead and his soul was destroyed and some of his bones were made into weapons also without his death the grey wardens as we know them wouldn't exist.

 

Probably not a demon since whomever is behind this is in our world and has been who created the veil tear purposely for a reason which we'll find out in DAI.

 

Not the old gods or the maker since Laidlaw said that they aren't really active and not going around smiting people or anything like that.

 

It's most likely a new chararacter or one we've heard about but never seen.

[Jack Druthers]

What I mean by way back is every race has had it's geniuses, so I'm equating the Dwarven paragon system to what made the Architect,  based on "having a good idea"

 

-395 Ancient was the first Blight where they were by Carinus but the guy with the joining idea was Nakiri of The Donarks - not much else is known.     

Dragon 9:10 - Commander Genevieve, Bregan and the events of "The Calling" this is the first contact with the Architect as I understand it.

Dragon 9:30 - Fifth Blight begins.

 

In this time frame the average Darkspawn had to learn about chain of command, the difference in races and sexes, the best tactics and that's before how traps work and how to work a trebuchet.  They must have communicated to teach this with more than hisses.  I find it difficult to believe if the average grunt had the capacity to learn this that there would only be one Architect type.  

[Heimdall]

What I mean by way back is every race has had it's geniuses, so I'm equating the Dwarven paragon system to what made the Architect,  based on "having a good idea"
 
-395 Ancient was the first Blight where they were by Carinus but the guy with the joining idea was Nakiri of The Donarks - not much else is known.     
Dragon 9:10 - Commander Genevieve, Bregan and the events of "The Calling" this is the first contact with the Architect as I understand it.
Dragon 9:30 - Fifth Blight begins.
 
In this time frame the average Darkspawn had to learn about chain of command, the difference in races and sexes, the best tactics and that's before how traps work and how to work a trebuchet.  They must have communicated to teach this with more than hisses.  I find it difficult to believe if the average grunt had the capacity to learn this that there would only be one Architect type.

Well, they are hive minded to an unknown degree.

[MaleficPrince]

I could  see a Kotor 1 happening where we are behind the veil opening being an evil villain or some what before losing all memory as a result of opening the veil tear, it would explain why we are at the site or near the site of the tear at the start of the game, would be fun to find out Varrick and Casandra had planed to kill the inquisitor before finding them in without their memory and are taging along in order to gather information much like Bastila.

[Jack Druthers]

The last sentence in Specter slayer's  2nd picture is a good question "What is the nature of someone who could rise above that?"  Is it memory and will? idk

[ames4u]

The Architect openly admitted to being the one who started the fifth blight. (even if it was the Broodmother who landed him in it first) He wanted to see if introducing Warden blood into the Old God's bloodstream would help it regain it's sanity or some semblance of self. So I don't think that one should be on the list.

 

I just hope it doesn't turn out to be someone stupid. I like the idea that maybe the elves of old survived in the fade and are taking revenge on those who obliterated them. Probably not the case, but it seems like a nice idea to me.

[Thunderfox]

Perhaps one of the Original Magisters/Darkspawn ala Corypheus? But one who was never descovered/captured by the Wardens. Which could play into using the Architect as he does seem to have some similairities to Cory.

[Divine Justinia V]

I always though Cory possessed Janeka/Larius, so it'd be cool if through either one of them (preferably Janeka since she's a Mage) he opened up the tear. Or something to that caliber, maybe finding and recuiting the other Magister darkspawn like Thunderfox said.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

If we are going that route, I'd much rather the Old Gods be responsible themselves rather than it just being their reawakened servants. 

[Rotward]

Corypheus apparently was one of the original darkspawn, one of the magisters that entered the Golden City. He claims that it was black when they entered. As for Architect there is speculation that he is similar to Corypheus but there is not much evidence.

How would anyone know it was golden to begin with? For that matter, how does anyone know what the magisters did in the fade? It's not like they could tell their story, having turned into darkspawn. Maybe the city was just a seal on the blight, to begin with. 

[Master Warder Z_]

If we are going that route, I'd much rather the Old Gods be responsible themselves rather than it just being their reawakened servants. 

 

Most Mythologies argue against Gods being able to die...In some they can be...Displaced, Their physical bodies weakened and destroyed but their essence remains.

 

Whom is to say that corrupted or no; The Old Gods Perish when the Grey Wardens strike down their physical avatars?

 

But if we are going that route we would need to either be confirming that the Old Gods were the Archdemons or the Archdemons were merely the corrupted Physical avatars of the Old Gods themselves.

 

Eitherway seems to me that it revolves around essence over the physical form.

[Zerc]

Okay, I'm just gonna come out and say it... It was me, I'm sorry. I figured it would be fun to tear a hole in the vail, alas it got out of hand. And when I got around to fix it, needle and thread didn't work, so yeah... Sorry.

 

[Thunderfox]

Most Mythologies argue against Gods being able to die...In some they can be...Displaced, Their physical bodies weakened and destroyed but their essence remains.

 

Whom is to say that corrupted or no; The Old Gods Perish when the Grey Wardens strike down their physical avatars?

 

But if we are going that route we would need to either be confirming that the Old Gods were the Archdemons or the Archdemons were merely the corrupted Physical avatars of the Old Gods themselves.

 

Eitherway seems to me that it revolves around essence over the physical form.

 For give me if i'm wrong, but isn't that really the whole basis for the Grey Wardens existance in the first place? If someone whose not corrupted manages to kill the Archdemon (somehow) that it just transfers its soul/essence to the nearest viable host, which supposedly have to be tainted. Thus only dealing with the physical form.  Now if the clash of a Warden's soul and an Archdemon's soul actually destroy each other... is somewhat up for debate

[AresKeith]

 For give me if i'm wrong, but isn't that really the whole basis for the Grey Wardens existance in the first place? If someone whose not corrupted manages to kill the Archdemon (somehow) that it just transfers its soul/essence to the nearest viable host, which supposedly have to be tainted. Thus only dealing with the physical form.  Now if the clash of a Warden's soul and an Archdemon's soul actually destroy each other... is somewhat up for debate

 

What if after every Archdemon is kill every Warden who did the US becomes monsters who lead the remaining Darkspawn army against all of Thedas

 

Now that would be a plot twist lol 

[Master Warder Z_]

 For give me if i'm wrong, but isn't that really the whole basis for the Grey Wardens existance in the first place? If someone whose not corrupted manages to kill the Archdemon (somehow) that it just transfers its soul/essence to the nearest viable host, which supposedly have to be tainted. Thus only dealing with the physical form.  Now if the clash of a Warden's soul and an Archdemon's soul actually destroy each other... is somewhat up for debate

 

My Understanding is that the essence of the Archdemon can be destroyed and or captured at the moment of the beast's death.

 

But that said; Bioware hasn't confirmed if the Archdemons are the old gods.

 

But my point isn't if the the Archdemons are or are not the Old Gods, My point was displaced or destroyed their essence may still linger and reconstitute it self. Gods as i said generally don't die in mythology.

[TheLastAwakening]

Fiona.

 

 

I doubt that the person behind the tear of the Viel planned far back. Rather, I think most likely their actions are reactionary and potentially accidental. At least that is what I think, can't wait to be proven wrong.

[Jack Druthers]

But my point isn't if the the Archdemons are or are not the Old Gods, My point was displaced or destroyed their essence may still linger and reconstitute it self. 

 

In one game as the scene of defiling the ashes played, I wondered what would happen if there was the power to bind a Spirit/Demon to the ashes and then - animate them for want of a better word.  Is that even possible? Is that any relation to the Ash Wraiths?

[Dean_the_Young]

How would anyone know it was golden to begin with? For that matter, how does anyone know what the magisters did in the fade? It's not like they could tell their story, having turned into darkspawn. Maybe the city was just a seal on the blight, to begin with. 

Well, if the outside were golden at the start, that would be an indicator.

 

For the Magisters, that could be something of common knowledge at the time- the sort of common knowledge of which evidence is lost as time passes, but known at the time. Considering the amount of implied blood sacrifice, there were indicators, and possibly survivors who knew what was intended even if they did not venture into the Fade themselves.

 

I do agree the city might have been sealing the Blight from the start, or at least the Blight only emerged when they entered, but that being so wouldn't challenge the other two.