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[Sylvianus]

Because Miranda doesn't always tell the truth? Could it be that? Could that be what busts the bubble of Mirandamancers that she isn't perfect? Finally! Why wouldn't she know about the clone? It would be logical that she would just in case one of Shepard's parts in Lazarus didn't regenerate properly a replacement part would be available. Or in case Lazarus failed, the clone would be a backup. Just the way she answered the question in The Citadel DLC:

 

Miranda: So... a clone?
Shepard: Yeah, saw it myself. Did you know anything about this?
Miranda: Just rumors. Nothing really caught my attention. But about this Brooks...

Shepard: Heard anything?
Miranda: Not as Brooks, but "Hope Lillium." Another lie, certainly. When the Collectors showed up, she put together the dossiers on your crew for the Illusive Man.
Miranda: Never paid her much mind. Interesting.

Miranda: My focus at the time was bringing you back. We needed the real Shepard not some cheap knockoff.
Miranda: I mean, really. A clone?

 

 Notice how she deflects the question with "just rumors" and changes the subject. She is lying.

 

That doesn't seem likely to me. Why Miranda who felt bad wanted to reveal all the truth on the citadel (M3) to shepard about the lazarus project, and why would she lie about the clone ? She knows that Shepard trusts her, especially if he is her LI. 

[wright1978]

Shoddy incompetent brainless comic writing is what i'm putting it down to. Doesn't make any sense for her to lie in that situation.

[ElitePinecone]

Also worth noting that the Lazarus Project is now situated on Minuteman Station according to the comic while it had its own separate station in the games. That would pose problems for the start of ME2 considering that Lazarus Station was ultimately cleaned out by mechs manipulated by Wilson. You actually visit Minuteman Station after the tutorial mission iirc.

 

Issues with the art are probably harder to avoid for the writers, since they don't actually control what Dark Horse draw. If Bioware just gave them a whole lot of reference images, I can kinda understand if the artists made that kind of mistake. They aren't experts on the events of the games, and by the time someone noticed (if anyone noticed) it might've been too late to change anything. 

 

I think there's a difference between that kind of minor slip-up (which is what I'd call drawing the wrong station) and the kind that the clone/Miranda thing represents - where the writer basically forgets about what was already written somewhere else. 

[Philosophaster]

@ElitePinecone

 

No, I am not faulting the art. The comic preview specifically mentions in text the Minuteman Station location as opposed to the Lazarus Station. That would be an issue from a writing perspective, right? I agree that it is in all likelihood just a minor slip-up on Mac Walters' part, but it remains a slip-up nonetheless (unless the project is moved in an upcoming comic).

[SuperStarSpectre]

Like with Miranda feeling bad enough about wanting to put a control chip in Shepard's head, I doubt she would be able to build herself up to lie about something like a clone after everything she's been through. ME2 Miranda? Maybe. ME3? No. Not after trusting Shepard, be it friendly or romantically. Shepard, in all lights, is the closest friend she has; a real friend, unlike Niket. 

 

Shoddy writing is what I'm leaving it to. And I don't know how in the actual hell you can call the foundation comics 'art'. It looks like they never took an anatomy class in their careers.

 

Seriously, the faces make for better stupid reaction images...

 

Like uh.... really. That's not how you draw a body.

[ElitePinecone]

The wiki says Minuteman housed Shepard's body and the clone at some point (though it probably uses this comic as the source), so... maybe Shepard was moved to Lazarus Station when the project gathered steam and they needed more space?

 

It's quite possible that Lazarus was built specifically for Shepard's reconstruction, so maybe the Commander did get shuffled around a bit in the two years of surgeries. 

[SuperStarSpectre]

That's beautiful.

I have a few more on my PC at home, but even some panels of Miranda's, her appearance is completely... off. I mean, she actually has a facemodel!!! Use her as a reference! Jeez. 

 

/cries the art student.

 

I feel these comics are being really rushed for production, and really, the product is laughable. 

[Philosophaster]

@ElitePinecone

 

Fair enough. What you say is certainly possible. And if it is an inconsistency, I agree with you that it isn't on the scale of the inconsistencies with Miranda/Brooks/clone.

[CronoDragoon]

Would someone mind telling me why the art is so tacky? Do all western comics look like this or is this just a "stylistic" choice?

 

I suppose that depends what you find tacky about it. The Angel & Faith comics do a really good job of capturing Eliza Dushku and David Boreanaz, even in panels where the art doesn't need to be fantastic. This just doesn't look anything like Miranda or Brooks.

[The Sarendoctrinator]

I agree with the OP that #8 was one of the most interesting Foundation comics so far, and I hope they continue this storyline in the others. 

 

I can't comment on the contradictions with Citadel DLC because I haven't played it or watched it on youtube, so the only things I had to come up with explanations for was how this information about the Lazarus Project and the clone of Shepard relates to the beginning of ME2. TIM still says in the comic that he wants the real Shepard and not a clone, which leads me to think it was mostly used for testing how to rebuild Shepard's body. I doubt they would make a full clone if they just needed replacement organs for Shepard (those can be made individually), but I can see why they would want to practice reconstructing a human being before trying this on the real Shepard so they don't screw it up and run into complications. The fact that the clone project and Lazarus took place on different stations doesn't surprise me either. The whole thing happened over two years, and as of this latest comic, now there's a Spectre who knows about Cerberus' interest in Shepard and will probably investigate. 

 

This is also the first time I've seen Tela Vasir in action. I can tell why she's so well-liked around here - she's tough, intimidating, one step ahead of her opponent. And has the best art of any character in this comic, actually. 

 

I don't know why they chose that cover image, because it doesn't represent what happens inside the comic at all. Thane's appearance in the story is brief and Rasa doesn't even look like that when they meet. The knife he's holding was there, although the situation was completely different.

[Ieldra]

Because Mac Walters has no concept of "continuity"

I think this is the most likely explanation.

[SwobyJ]

I love this and everything is going as I thought it would

 

Only a few issues left..

[SlottsMachine]

Maybe it's actually Miranda's clone?

 

^This. I'm pretty sure TIM in ME3 is a clone as well, because why else would he be that stupid. He's probably on a beach somewhere with his harem. Let the clone get f****ed up by Reaper tech. Let the clone die for the cause.    

[MassivelyEffective0730]

I think this is the most likely explanation.

 

Indeed. This is basically what the issue stems down to. Who needs lore and continuity when you can make things up as you go along to fit what you want to happen?

[SwobyJ]

Maybe it was her clone?

 

In a manner of speaking.

[jtav]

Terrible art aside, Miranda comes off as much more competent here than #5-6 and I like her. I have no real issue either writing the inconsistency off as a continuity error or disregarding Citadel completely on the grounds that it's ridiculous and does violence to the story.

[Lawrence0294]

Because Mac Walters has no concept of "continuity"

Pretty much, and after Decpetion or Paragon Lost and quite a lot of the comics, Bioware is still letting these errors get out.

I mean, ok for Paragon lost and Deception, it was a writer outside of the games (still isn't an excuse) but this is supposed to be a writer going back to the first Mass Effect and gosh dang lead of the third. Continuity errors like that just can't be there !

I just don't get it....i try... i really do...

[Obadiah]

Indeed. This is basically what the issue stems down to. Who needs lore and continuity when you can make things up as you go along to fit what you want to happen?

Hard to watch this massive disconnect in quality between the comic books of the two franchises Dragon Age and Mass Effect. So I guess that's that. Play the game for fun, and don't take the story too seriously - clearly the devs don't.

[jtav]

A really good writer will make the story they want to tell work with past events, but sometimes the simplest fix is just to change things. He needed to introduce the clone, so he did.

[Lawrence0294]

A really good writer will make the story they want to tell work with past events, but sometimes the simplest fix is just to change things. He needed to introduce the clone, so he did.

What i fail to understand is why Mr Walters couldn't introduce the clone without breaking the lore...twice

I'm 100% convinced it can be done.

[SlottsMachine]

Hey Massive if you click "remove format" you can get rid of all that black, unless you wanted it highlighted of course. 

[CrutchCricket]

There is only one clone. It's the clone project, "the clone", and everyone refers to it as such. Part of Miranda's dialogue suggests that growing that one clone was itself a difficult task. 

 

When Brooks succeeds at the end of the comic in recovering enough information about Shepard, Miranda is convinced that they no longer need the clone as a backup option - the Illusive Man orders her to keep it around for testing.

 

But there's nothing that separates Miranda from the Citadel clone here - Cerberus was only growing one, she was overseeing it, and had Brooks/Rasa on her team to boot.

Only one clone at the time, maybe? It'd get easier subsequent times. And if the clone was going to be only kept for testing she wouldn't expect it to be walking around. But the dialogue is still inconsistent.

 

Ugh, goddamn it I'm actually trying to work with these people and they're not making it easy.

[RZIBARA]

So I just read the comic, (DID NOT BUY don't worry)

 

Why is the comic about Thane when he only appears for like 2-3 pages? Also, yeah, big retcon in there about Miranda and the clone.

 

I'll say that the only good thing in this entire comic was Tela Vasir being in it (yeah, she actually was in the comic more than Thane lol)

[felipejiraya]

I think the main issue with the Foundation comics is they're trying to build a huge serious lore to a proposedly campy DLC

 

Of course there will be issues of continuity between the DLC and the comics since the story of the first was done to be seem like face value.

 

Besides that I'm liking the series, the art can be atrocious at times but overall the stories are well writen and add things to the general lore of the ME franchise.