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[LoLo1498]

That is very questionable that Miranda would lie to Shepard after all they've been through. I mean Shepard knows about her whole family life and the fact that Miranda feels guilty about that whole control chip thing. Hell didn't Jacob even sort of mention a clone when we first met him? So obviously it wasn't that much of a well hidden secret about the spare Shep. Maybe Miranda lied (If she even was) because she knew Shep might be unhappy that nobody informed her that she had a clone? I don't know I'm just gonna go with what some of you are saying about Miranda saying "Just rumors" because she's surprised the clone is alive still working with Rasa/Brookes.

[Steelcan]

So I just read the comic, (DID NOT BUY don't worry)

 

Why is the comic about Thane when he only appears for like 2-3 pages? Also, yeah, big retcon in there about Miranda and the clone.

 

I'll say that the only good thing in this entire comic was Tela Vasir being in it (yeah, she actually was in the comic more than Thane lol)

 

Walters is cramming in more characters in his prequels than Lucas

[ImaginaryMatter]

Walters is cramming in more characters in his prequels than Lucas

 

Wait until we find out that Shepard was a whiny teenager and that an annoying Volus named Din-Din Ban was tricked into Indoctrinating TIM.

[ElitePinecone]

What i fail to understand is why Mr Walters couldn't introduce the clone without breaking the lore...twice

I'm 100% convinced it can be done.

 

Yeah. All those scenes work without Miranda present - just have Rasa reporting in to Cerberus Officer #59823 and everything can still be written without breaking continuity, again.

[Nethalf]

What I learned reading Foundation:

- there's no case, no single mission in the whole galaxy Brooks doesn't involved in.

- there's no other Spectres but only the ones we've already met in game series before. Vasir, srsly? Oh, Walters, I'm sooo grateful you didn't put Saren or Nihlus or Jondum Bau in your story. Wait, you still can...

- Cerberus? Conspiracy? Independent cells? The Illusive Man's the only one who possesses the knowledge 'bout all the cells? Pfft, grown up, everybody knows everybody, and Maya get involved in every Cerberus project.

 

At least, #8 was more interesting than other issues.

[Savber100]

Ugh. 

 

Seriously. 

 

Do writers like Walters not even think about the very world they're creating?

 

Come on guys. It's not that hard to make sure what you're writing isn't contradiction especially when you're the LEAD WRITER.

[The Sarendoctrinator]

I think the main issue with the Foundation comics is they're trying to build a huge serious lore to a proposedly campy DLC

I wonder if Foundation's story is generally more enjoyable for people who haven't played the Citadel DLC. I've seen a lot of posts on BSN saying that they don't care about Brooks and don't want to read a comic based on what they considered a lame DLC character. I never played the DLC, didn't even know that's where the character came from until saw it on the forums because I only knew her as Rasa, and I think her story is interesting enough. 

 

I have other issues with the artwork (although #8 was one of the best in this series), and there are some contradictions with the games in earlier comics, but it seems I've avoided the biggest contradiction by not playing the DLC their main character first appeared in. 

[wright1978]

Ugh. 

 

Seriously. 

 

Do writers like Walters not even think about the very world they're creating?

 

Come on guys. It's not that hard to make sure what you're writing isn't contradiction especially when you're the LEAD WRITER.

 

The lead writer asleep at the wheel doesn't exactly bode well for ME4.

[Savber100]

The lead writer asleep at the wheel doesn't exactly bode well for ME4.

 

With all due respect, Mass Effect 3 made it clear that Walters isn't suited for lead writer. 

 

I'm sorry but when THIS is how you treat your world and you're the lead writer... You are not inspiring confidence. 

[ElitePinecone]

I thought Brooks was actually one of the best things they've done with Cerberus for ages. They need more characters who have humanity and more than one layer. 

 

She's not a caricature like Kai Leng, she's not as nonsensical as the Illusive Man, and she got somewhere by being suave and smart rather than boneheadedly incompetent. It's still ridiculous that Cerberus are everywhere and participate in literally every storyline ever, but she's a far more interesting character than most of the other named Cerberus people that we've met.

 

The lead writer asleep at the wheel doesn't exactly bode well for ME4.

 

Mac isn't the lead writer for the next Mass Effect. Bioware Montreal are hiring a new Lead. 

[The Sarendoctrinator]

I thought Brooks was actually one of the best things they've done with Cerberus for ages. They need more characters who have humanity and more than one layer. 

 

She's not a caricature like Kai Leng, she's not as nonsensical as the Illusive Man, and she got somewhere by being suave and smart rather than boneheadedly incompetent. It's still ridiculous that Cerberus are everywhere and participate in literally every storyline ever, but she's a far more interesting character than most of the other named Cerberus people that we've met.

 

Kai Leng was great in Retribution. He's like a totally different character in ME3/Deception/Foundation. 

 

I enjoyed the story about Rasa joining Cerberus too. And the conversations Jacob had with Miranda when she was trying to convince him to join. Some of their reasons are close to those of my own Shepards who liked working with Cerberus. 

[ImaginaryMatter]

I thought Brooks was actually one of the best things they've done with Cerberus for ages. They need more characters who have humanity and more than one layer. 

 

She's not a caricature like Kai Leng, she's not as nonsensical as the Illusive Man, and she got somewhere by being suave and smart rather than boneheadedly incompetent. It's still ridiculous that Cerberus are everywhere and participate in literally every storyline ever, but she's a far more interesting character than most of the other named Cerberus people that we've met.

 

That's basically the reason why I thought Petrovsky was the best antagonist in ME3.

[The Sarendoctrinator]

That's basically the reason why I thought Petrovsky was the best antagonist in ME3.

 

I didn't get to see him in ME3, but I liked him in the Invasion comics. I was really hoping he would be part of the main game. 

[kalasaurus]

That is very questionable that Miranda would lie to Shepard after all they've been through. I mean Shepard knows about her whole family life and the fact that Miranda feels guilty about that whole control chip thing. Hell didn't Jacob even sort of mention a clone when we first met him? So obviously it wasn't that much of a well hidden secret about the spare Shep. Maybe Miranda lied (If she even was) because she knew Shep might be unhappy that nobody informed her that she had a clone? I don't know I'm just gonna go with what some of you are saying about Miranda saying "Just rumors" because she's surprised the clone is alive still working with Rasa/Brookes.

 

I agree.  It's possible she lied, but I don't really see why she'd bother at that point having cut all ties to Cerberus.  She was upfront about the control chip, knowing that could upset Shepard.  It seems out of character for her to be outright deceitful to Shepard after Sanctuary.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

I agree.  It's possible she lied, but I don't really see why she'd bother at that point having cut all ties to Cerberus.  She was upfront about the control chip, knowing that could upset Shepard.  It seems out of character for her to be outright deceitful to Shepard after Sanctuary.

 

 Look at what I posted earlier. It's completely out of touch with where Miranda's character has gone for her to lie outright about a clone. She's been forward thus far, she has no reason to lie, and she's very loyal to Shepard. She has to be if you even want her to appear in the game at all past Sanctuary. To have her suddenly, casually, and blatantly lie about knowledge of a clone (or at least her involvement with it) is a sign that the writer either didn't know, didn't understand, or didn't care about Miranda's development in the game.

[von uber]

Miranda's development was abandoned in me3 anyway, regardless of dlc.
Family issues again? Talk about phoning it in.

[Andrew Lucas]

Its Mac crap don't take it too serious.

[Barquiel]

Miranda revealed the control chip thing at the very beginning of ME2 at the Cerberus station. She "wasn't looking for a friend" at this time...and didn't really care what Shepard thinks about her. That's obviously a bit different at the end of ME3. It's the only explanation I have (unless we simply say "retcon").

[kalasaurus]

Miranda revealed the control chip thing at the very beginning of ME2 at the Cerberus station. She "wasn't looking for a friend" at this time...and didn't really care what Shepard thinks about her. That's obviously a bit different at the end of ME3. It's the only explanation I have (unless we simply say "retcon").

*shrugs* Fair enough, though the control chip issue was important enough to her to bring up again later once they had (potentially - I'm not sure how it works for non-loyal Miranda) established a friendship/romance midway into ME3.

[Barquiel]

No idea. She was always loyal in my playthroughs. Well, maybe it will be explained in one of the next comics why Miranda was lying about the clone in the Citadel DLC.

[SNascimento]

Miranda died in ME2, what came after was just an echo of her previous greatness. 

[Lawrence0294]

The way i see it, Walters wanted to introduce the clone and decided to give it to Miranda, which is cool in itself since it does make sense but didn't realize that it broke the lore (which is very incompetent).

I highly doubt he intended or had in mind to give the impression she was lying to Shepard in CItadel. 

[MassivelyEffective0730]

The way i see it, Walters wanted to introduce the clone and decided to give it to Miranda, which is cool in itself since it does make sense but didn't realize that it broke the lore (which is very incompetent).

I highly doubt he intended or had in mind to give the impression she was lying to Shepard in CItadel. 

 

That's how I feel as well, since it would otherwise be a complete FU to the Miranda fans if it was intentional. I get that line of thought, and how it sort of goes back to showing Miranda doing the scientific/administrative aspect of her work for Cerberus, as well as showing her as pretty much being in charge with only TIM as her superior, and with how the prior comics had her doing the spy/field operative work. But it was definitely in the wrong place, with little thought behind all of it, which is very distressing when its the lead writer doing it to established lore.

 

BW really needs to hire a lore keeper.

[CronoDragoon]

Mac isn't the lead writer for the next Mass Effect. Bioware Montreal are hiring a new Lead. 

 

Yeah, he was promoted/demoted (depending on your view) to some vague position that may or may not do any actual writing.

 

Although I'd be fine with Mac writing a character here and there as he's pretty good at that.

[wright1978]

My first reaction was that it was malicious as i struggled to conceive of someone putting out content of such inepitude in terms of continuity with the game. My anger has cooled somewhat if not dispersed and i can see the logic of the pure incompetence argument.