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[ElitePinecone]

The way i see it, Walters wanted to introduce the clone and decided to give it to Miranda, which is cool in itself since it does make sense but didn't realize that it broke the lore (which is very incompetent).
I highly doubt he intended or had in mind to give the impression she was lying to Shepard in CItadel.

 
Oh yes, I certainly don't think that was the impression he intended to give (unless this is all explained in a later issue of Foundation).
 
But some people are taking it that way (in order to explain the contradiction), and that's not really the best outcome for Miranda's character - particularly if ]this is the last time that Miranda or Shepard's clone will ever appear in any Mass Effect media. I don't actually like the character personally, but I can understand why people would be upset at the implication that Miranda is being actively deceitful during what is potentially her last appearance, ever.[

I was more concerned with what this says about the narrative consistency of the series. There's an impasse between this comic's version of reality and the Citadel DLC's, and both can't be true. The fact that this was allowed to happen (after Deception, and particularly after ME3) doesn't give me great confidence that the writers are on top of their own story. They should be more careful about making everything add up - and it *shouldn't* have to fall to fans to point out when new entries break the existing narrative. 
 
If nobody at Bioware cares about the consistency of their story as much as fans outside the company, how on earth can they claim to put storytelling at the heart of their game design philosophy? These sort of mistakes just shouldn't keep happening.

 

Edit; the new forum randomly changing text size is driving me nuts.

[jtav]

Videogame writers in general seem to take previous continuity a lot less seriously than either their fans or other mediums do. DA does it quite a bit. My guess is he either forgot about what Jay wrote or didn't care because it was the least complicated solution he could come up with. Since I would like to nuke Citadel from orbit, I don't really care.

[ElitePinecone]

Yeah, he was promoted/demoted (depending on your view) to some vague position that may or may not do any actual writing.

 

Although I'd be fine with Mac writing a character here and there as he's pretty good at that.

 

I believe he's a Narrative Director now, though not sure if that's on the Mass Effect series, or Casey's new IP, or if it involves doing something else entirely at the company. 

 

He is writing for the next ME though.

[ElitePinecone]

Oh.
 
"The comic, for example, is interesting because it is still considered canon, so you have to pay real close attention to details that already have been established in the series and expanded universe."

[wright1978]

Oh.
 
"The comic, for example, is interesting because it is still considered canon, so you have to pay real close attention to details that already have been established in the series and expanded universe."

 

Talks the talk but doesn't walk the walk. Quel surprise.

[RZIBARA]

Oh.
 
"The comic, for example, is interesting because it is still considered canon, so you have to pay real close attention to details that already have been established in the series and expanded universe."

 

Oh that's just too funny

[Philosophaster]

@ElitePinecone

 

I think the article you quoted is referring to the Homeworlds comics. The article mentions Liara, Tali, and James and they are not featured in the Foundation comics (unless they are going to appear unexpectedly in the last issues). It also mentions Mac working with several other writers on the comics; Mac scripted most of the Foundation comics by himself (I think the last few he has a co-writer).

 

Here is a Mac Walters quote from another interview that dealt with Foundation:

 

"We are here to make 'Mass Effect' games and the DLC that goes along with them. That's our primary goal. Whenever we do ancillary product like the novels or comics or the animation series we did with James Vega, those always have to blend with the universe as seamlessly as possible."

 

http://www.comicbook...rticle&id=44019

[CrutchCricket]

So now we see how more dabbling in the MEU just makes it worse.

 

If only people would stop giving them money to keep hacking this series up...

[AresKeith]

Yeah, he was promoted/demoted (depending on your view) to some vague position that may or may not do any actual writing.

 

Although I'd be fine with Mac writing a character here and there as he's pretty good at that.

 

Narrative Director is actually a promotion

[The Sarendoctrinator]

*shrugs* Fair enough, though the control chip issue was important enough to her to bring up again later once they had (potentially - I'm not sure how it works for non-loyal Miranda) established a friendship/romance midway into ME3.

 

My first playthrough was with a non-loyal Miranda import from ME2, and she did apologize for the control chip in ME3. 

[SwobyJ]

Oh.
 
"The comic, for example, is interesting because it is still considered canon, so you have to pay real close attention to details that already have been established in the series and expanded universe."

 

I love how he worded this!

 

Guys, I get the negativity here, but try to have at least a *teeny* bit of faith that it'll make sense soon enough

 

As far as I'm concerned, things are all making sense. And yes, the Miranda bit is part of that.

[ImaginaryMatter]

Narrative Director is actually a promotion

 

What exactly is a Narrative Director?

[The Sarendoctrinator]

 

Here is a Mac Walters quote from another interview that dealt with Foundation:

 

"We are here to make 'Mass Effect' games and the DLC that goes along with them. That's our primary goal. Whenever we do ancillary product like the novels or comics or the animation series we did with James Vega, those always have to blend with the universe as seamlessly as possible."

 

http://www.comicbook...rticle&id=44019

 

I'm still trying to get over this quote from the same article. 

 

"The challenge for me is that this is the first series that I'm scripting all myself as well. While I have scripted some of the shorter ones before -- I scripted the first one in "Homeworlds" -- it's not more work because I don't have to review my own work, which is nice, as opposed to somebody coming in and scripting it, I have to review it and back-and-forth."

 

He doesn't review his own work?   In my experience, I usually end up spending more time reviewing my work than actually writing it.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

So now we see how more dabbling in the MEU just makes it worse.

 

If only people would stop giving them money to keep hacking this series up...

 

Ditto. IMO, ME should end with Shepard's story. Everything else would pretty much be asides and prequels due to the diverse nature of the universe after the ending.

[SwobyJ]

I'm still trying to get over this quote from the same article. 

 

"The challenge for me is that this is the first series that I'm scripting all myself as well. While I have scripted some of the shorter ones before -- I scripted the first one in "Homeworlds" -- it's not more work because I don't have to review my own work, which is nice, as opposed to somebody coming in and scripting it, I have to review it and back-and-forth."

 

He doesn't review his own work?   In my experience, I usually end up spending more time reviewing my work than actually writing it.

 

I think that's just poor wording. I think he means he gets to write, then look over and edit, and write more (a faster process requiring less communication between writers), instead of writing, 'reviewing' (aka consulting) with script writers and others, then returning to writing.

 

Basically he has less back and forth hassle. Of course all writers review their work. The downside is that it's all on him, not a more team effort, so that makes it more challenging to do in itself.

[The Sarendoctrinator]

I think that's just poor wording. I think he means he gets to write, then look over and edit, and write more (a faster process requiring less communication between writers), instead of writing, 'reviewing' (aka consulting) with script writers and others, then returning to writing.

 

Basically he has less back and forth hassle. Of course all writers review their work. The downside is that it's all on him, not a more team effort, so that makes it more challenging to do in itself.

 

That's possible. It took a while for me to even figure out that he was talking about both comic series (Homeworlds and Foundation) when he said he doesn't have to review his work and then later says that he does have to review it in the same sentence. 

[SwobyJ]

Yeah there's reviewing and there's peer-reviewing, and I think he was just a lil' too vague.

 

Both have their pros and cons.

 

Only solo-reviewing --> easier to get it done, harder to get it right

Peer-reviewing --> harder to get it done, easier to get it right

[CronoDragoon]

Narrative Director is actually a promotion

 

It's ostensibly a promotion, but it may be one of those political promotions people get so they get away from work that...isn't their strong point.

[The Sarendoctrinator]

Yeah there's reviewing and there's peer-reviewing, and I think he was just a lil' too vague.

 

Both have their pros and cons.

 

Only solo-reviewing --> easier to get it done, harder to get it right

Peer-reviewing --> harder to get it done, easier to get it right

 

The way I see it, solo-reviewing can keep the story closer to the writer's own vision, which is why I personally use this system. Peer-reviewing can be a good thing as well, especially for keeping facts about the lore and previous content consistent (if the lead writer doesn't double-check himself) and just having others around to tell them when something is a really bad idea (not that it always works, but hopefully does more times than not) or suggest a cool idea no one else thought of.

 

My book seems unaware of the fact that solo-reviewing should be easier to get done though. 

[Obadiah]

Is the rest of the comic good? I can ignore lore inconsistencies if the story is decent and it provides insight into an alternate universe version of the characters.

[jtav]

None of the comics are really good, but I thought this was one of the stronger ones. Miranda comes off rather well, Vasir plays a major role, and there's a setup for interesting things to happen to Rasa. Thane's barely in it, however.

[enayasoul]

Let me see if I understand this right, Thane was used to kill Rasa? Who ordered the hit?  And was Rasa drugged by Thane?

 

I thought this comic was pretty interesting.  I'm going with theory that Miranda was surprised the clone was still alive and walking about.  I hope the next comic sheds some light on the Lazarus project more... I think Shepard was hinted at in Mordin's comic.  We'll see.    

[Nightdragon8]

seriously people its the same issues that DC comics has with ALL of there comic books. Thats why they had to split there series into "universes"

 

get over it, just stop geez.

[ElitePinecone]

None of the comics are really good, but I thought this was one of the stronger ones. Miranda comes off rather well, Vasir plays a major role, and there's a setup for interesting things to happen to Rasa. Thane's barely in it, however.

 

Yeah, the Foundation comics are better when they try to tell something new, instead of going over old ground. Kaidan's was probably the worst example of the latter, where it literally just made a comic out of his conversations in ME1 - word-for-word repeating what happened at Jump Zero that added nothing to his backstory.

 

I think Foundation will be worth it if Rasa's story actually goes somewhere. If after 13 issues it just ends up with her walking into the sushi restaurant on the Citadel as Alliance intelligence officer Maya Brooks, the whole thing is going to look like a colossal waste of time and paper. 

[ElitePinecone]

Let me see if I understand this right, Thane was used to kill Rasa? Who ordered the hit?  And was Rasa drugged by Thane?

 

 

I think Rasa was poisoned by an unknown person, and Thane just happened to be walking by. He saved her because he saw something in her soul, or whatever.

 

We don't know who ordered the hit, as Miranda tells TIM at the end.