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[felipejiraya]

I thought that was a mistake by Thane, that he gave the poisoned drink for Rasa thinking she was his hit but it turned out she wasn't and decided to help her.

[ElitePinecone]

Hm, to be honest that bit was confusing. That could be right, I'm not sure what happened. 

[The Sarendoctrinator]

Is the rest of the comic good? I can ignore lore inconsistencies if the story is decent and it provides insight into an alternate universe version of the characters.

If you're asking about the Foundation series in general, the quality varies. This latest issue and #5-6 (focused on Miranda and Jacob) were the best, in my opinion. They also deal with searching for Shepard's body and the Lazarus project, which is a storyline I'm very interested in. Thane only makes a brief appearance in #8, and most of his involvement is still a mystery. Jack's comic (#7) had a pretty good story showing the events that lead up to her being captured by mercs before ME2. Her interaction with Cerberus' biotic students reminded me of the way she is with her own students in ME3, so it was nice to see that side of her. Fair warning though, the art in this one feels incomplete - like some of it was still in the concept stage, people (including Jack) occasionally looking blocky and not having their faces drawn in, etc. #1 & 2 were good as well, telling Rasa's origin story and what Wrex was up to on the Citadel right before the start of ME1. 

 

#3 & 4 (Ashley and Kaidan) were the weakest of the bunch. Ashley's story focused on the events of Eden Prime, and did have some additional info that was interesting, though a few of the conversations felt awkward in my opinion. Kaidan's story was about his time in biotic camp, but it seemed to make things more violent than previously suggested for drama's sake. My favorite scene was a conversation between Kaidan and his father. Both of these comics also had the strangest art in terms of character faces and body positions. Just unintentionally funny and made me think "but humans don't look like this!" I'm sure someone can post a visual aid if you haven't seen them around. And yet, I thought a good deal of the background art was beautiful, mainly the burning Eden Prime and Citadel overviews. 

 

I hope that helps.

 

Let me see if I understand this right, Thane was used to kill Rasa? Who ordered the hit?  And was Rasa drugged by Thane?

 

I thought this comic was pretty interesting.  I'm going with theory that Miranda was surprised the clone was still alive and walking about.  I hope the next comic sheds some light on the Lazarus project more... I think Shepard was hinted at in Mordin's comic.  We'll see.    

It was very unclear. I got the impression that Thane was the one who drugged Rasa and had been hired to kill her, because he was shown holding a knife to her throat, but changed his mind because he didn't think she deserved to die. 

 

Speaking of unclear scenes... when Vasir had one of her guards pointing a needle at Rasa, did he actually give her an injection or just threaten to? Or did they use the needle to get a DNA sample? Vasir mentioned having her fingerprints and DNA, and I don't know how she could have done it otherwise.

 

Agreed about the Lazarus Project. I'd like to see more details. 

[SNascimento]

Well, at least Miranda was the boss she was meant to be. 

[Obadiah]

Story doesn't seem TOO bad.

http://masseffect.wi...t:_Foundation_8

[Nightwriter]

Ah yes "the comics."

[ElitePinecone]

Story doesn't seem TOO bad.

http://masseffect.wi...t:_Foundation_8

 

That does seem to suggest Thane was hired to kill Rasa - but by who?

[enayasoul]

That does seem to suggest Thane was hired to kill Rasa - but by who?

I wouldn't put it past the Illusive man to order the hit.

[von uber]

Ah yes "the comics."

We have dismissed these claims.

[Argentoid]

I actually thought Mac Walters was still competent (even after the ending) until this very moment. This clearly shows his writing abilities are pretty much flat-out terrible, and we are talking about the Lead Writer... not some dude tasked out of nowhere to write for Mass Effect (like William C. Dietz for Deception).

 

In my opinion, so far the best comics from the Foundation series were #1, #5 and #6. I wonder if because of the endings now he just ignores the criticism coming from the fanbase.

[N7 Shadow 90]

@sHOtgUn jUliA  

Intriguing. The TOPIC that Miranda switches too is also interesting. Almost as if she was trying to cover herself from any involvement. She began the conversation after all. Perhaps she felt guilt?

[MassivelyEffective0730]

@sHOtgUn jUliA  

Intriguing. The TOPIC that Miranda switches too is also interesting. Almost as if she was trying to cover herself from any involvement. She began the conversation after all. Perhaps she felt guilt?

 

It's really not. There aren't many times I come across posts on here that I completely dismiss (ok, I'm completely lying) but I think that this idea has some element of bitterness that I believe is unwarranted.

 

Read through what I posted about Miranda. I'll even post some more stuff from the old Miranda Group:

 

 

jtav said: Disregarding my belief that Walters forgot about the Citadel content (he also mixes up Lazarus and Minuteman Station) Miranda is very secretive, even when honesty would save her trouble. She evades and shuts down Shepard more than once. She'd lie if it suited her purposes, with or without romance. 

There's really no reason for her to, and she's practical enough to realize that nothing is gained by lying to Shepard about this. And if she's in a relationship, she'd be... attached enough to him to not want to hide something like this from him out of genuine fear of what might happen to him or the relationship.

I think it's a combination of bad writing, writer incompetence, and a small bit of deliberate crap. I get the feeling that Walters especially does not approve of Miranda or a Miranda/Shepard relationship. This whole comic series has been **** for the most part. It's a literal demonstration on what happens when you let SuperMac be in charge. He just makes up crap as he goes along.

[Eterna]

Why is it so far fetched that Miranda would lie? She has done so before. 

[RZIBARA]

Why is it so far fetched that Miranda would lie? She has done so before. 

 

Why is it so far fetched that Walter's is a bad writer? He has proven this before.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Why is it so far fetched that Miranda would lie? She has done so before. 

 

Why would she lie to Shepard, a man she fully trusts and possibly loves (and she has to be completely loyal for her to be in the game at that point) about something that has no negative impact on her to admit to (while possibly breaking a great deal of trust from Shepard)? It goes against her character at that point in the game, especially after she has admitted remorse and guilt over her past desire to implant Shepard with a mind control chip (and one that she very frankly and callously admitted to earlier in the series)?

 

Read my posts in this thread. There is literally zero reason for her to lie, with absolutely no benefit for doing so, while the repercussions for doing so could potentially be devastating to her relationship with Shepard (platonic or romantic).

[Eterna]

Why is it so far fetched that Walter's is a bad writer? He has proven this before.

 

This thread just comes off as Mirandamancers trying desperately to clear their waifu of all ill doings. 

 

If anything, this makes me like Miranda more. It means she is one of the few characters who doesn't treat Shepard like jesus. 

[RZIBARA]

This thread just comes off as Mirandamancers trying desperately to clear their waifu of all ill doings. 

 

If anything, this makes me like Miranda more. It means she is one of the few characters who doesn't treat Shepard like jesus. 

 

lol, when did Miranda ever treat Shepard like Jesus. It's the opposite, she's one of the few characters who doesn't, along with Ashley, which is why I like them both

[MassivelyEffective0730]

This thread just comes off as Mirandamancers trying desperately to clear their waifu of all ill doings. 

 

If anything, this makes me like Miranda more. It means she is one of the few characters who doesn't treat Shepard like jesus. 

 

She never treated Shepard like jesus. I think this whole post is pretty much ignorant and baiting.

 

Nobody is trying to make Miranda into a purity sue. It completely goes against her character to even try. Alas, as her character development in ME2 and ME3 went, the inconsistency here is completely out of character for Miranda. 

 

Simply put, can you give a real reason why Miranda would blatantly lie to a person that she considers to be one of here only real, true friends and/or love?

[jtav]

The reason I say Miranda wasn't lying in Citadel is twofold. One: Walters confuses Lazarus and Minuteman Station in the same section. So, we already have precedent for authorial sloppiness. Two: Citadel is a fluff DLC designed for the express purpose of giving the audience warm fuzzies. The scenes with Miranda are romantic/platonic fluff, the wrong genre for Miranda to be deceiving Shepard. 

 

Now if you want to talk about all the other reasons Shep/Miranda is deeply dysfunctional, I'd be happy to do so elsewhere.

[RZIBARA]

She never treated Shepard like jesus. I think this whole post is pretty much ignorant and baiting.

 

Nobody is trying to make Miranda into a purity sue. It completely goes against her character to even try. Alas, as her character development in ME2 and ME3 went, the inconsistency here is completely out of character for Miranda. 

 

Simply put, can you give a real reason why Miranda would blatantly lie to a person that she considers to be one of here only real, true friends and/or love?

 

I don't think he can my friend

[ImaginaryMatter]

The reason I say Miranda wasn't lying in Citadel is twofold. One: Walters confuses Lazarus and Minuteman Station in the same section. So, we already have precedent for authorial sloppiness. Two: Citadel is a fluff DLC designed for the express purpose of giving the audience warm fuzzies. The scenes with Miranda are romantic/platonic fluff, the wrong genre for Miranda to be deceiving Shepard. 

 

Now if you want to talk about all the other reasons Shep/Miranda is deeply dysfunctional, I'd be happy to do so elsewhere.

 

Except, doesn't the Foundation series exist to somewhat make the Citadel DLC legit by introducing Brooks (Rasa, whatever) as a central character?

[Obadiah]

Why is it so far fetched that Miranda would lie? She has done so before.

 

It's not really so much about Miranda's character. It's more about having an in-game experience rewritten on a writer's whim after-the-fact, which is important if you care about the authenticity of the story you're reading/playing/consuming. I'm no Miranda fan, but just as a player that enjoyed the ME trilogy story, I find this kind of thing off-putting, especially since it doesn't seem to have been done for any good reason. And since Mac never seems to want to comment about the stories, we're left confused as to whether it is a mistake or some kind of actual character development.

 

This of course makes stories from the ME universe more annoying than enjoyably revealing.

[Argentoid]

Except, doesn't the Foundation series exist to somewhat make the Citadel DLC legit by introducing Brooks (Rasa, whatever) as a central character?

 

Even Pinnacle Station is canon. The thing is that Mac can't let the old ME universe go, thus he has to explain in full detail how all the squadmates from Mass Effect were involved with Rasa.

[Ykulnu]

This is the same writing that retconned the Alliance uniforms on Eden Prime as black for men and white/pink for women for no reason at all. 

 

AT ALL.

 

I think we've all learned to assume that lapses in continuity or just blatant f*ck ups are to be assumed as unintentional and ill-thought out, by now. The canon of ME has been worn down ever since the first few minutes of ME2, in which the first game's unique approach to ammunitions and firearms is all but eradicated.