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Foundation #8 - why does Miranda know about the clone?


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#176
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 Mass Effect is a series that has shown bitching on the forums can indeed change something. Just saying.

 

Though not enough to actually make a difference when it really matters.

 

Wasn't Starkiller the original name for Luke?

 

Yes it was, during development.



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Mass Effect is a series that has shown bitching on the forums can indeed change something. Just saying.


True.

The forums got an ending slideshow added (the good) and a ton of fanservice like certain romances and other garbage (the bad).

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Mac Walters: "Nothing is true; everything is permitted".


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Guys....

 

Citadel DLC was in the dreamscape... 

 

It ain't bloody real peeps.

 

The truth.....

 

 

Is a far darker path, than what we were led to believe.


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I've honestly given up with "Shepard's Trilogy" at this point, in fact I can't even play ME1 without thinking of ME3's ending and it's my favorite out of the three.

 

Headcanon really helps. A lot.

 

And making your own fanfiction will be therapeutic.



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adding to the real issue, Miranda was probably just holding back information as it had no relevance anymore.

But, go find someone who can draw something... 

The drawing quality can really vary with Foundation, from pretty good to down right abysmal. The one with Ashley comes in mind. But the comics with Miranda and Jacob were quite good actually.

 

When you compare this

 

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next to this

 

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#182
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Guys....
 
Citadel DLC was in the dreamscape... 
 
It ain't bloody real peeps.
 
The truth.....
 
 
Is a far darker path, than what we were led to believe.

. Go back to the scary door where such insanity is tolerated

#183
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I've honestly given up with "Shepard's Trilogy" at this point, in fact I can't even play ME1 without thinking of ME3's ending and it's my favorite out of the three.

You and me both

 

Edit:  On topic:  Anyone else getting the impression these comics are now more about contractual obligation than on any effort to tell a coherent story?



#184
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No, I think there's a coherent story, and Mac seems to enjoy writing them. This contradiction with the Citadel DLC aside, most of the other comics have made sense.

 

I might not be very interested in most of the backstories he's telling, but I can see why he's doing it. Homeworlds seemed to be successful, so why not take up the chance to write 13 more comics? 



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Anyone else getting the impression these comics are now more about contractual obligation than on any effort to tell a coherent story?

 

Actually, it's starting to feel more like a coherent storyline now than it did in the beginning, when it just seemed to be more character backgrounds in the style of Homeworlds. The Shepard plot is starting to tie everything together. 



#186
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"canon"

 

Only difference is that sadly, they are canon

 

The beautiful thing about individuality is that we can pluck these things from our brains at will and no one can take that plucking away from us.



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I've honestly given up with "Shepard's Trilogy" at this point, in fact I can't even play ME1 without thinking of ME3's ending and it's my favorite out of the three.

 

I'm sorry you feel that way, even if it is something I've said so to a hundred times already. ME3's my favorite and I'm down with Extended Cut.

 

Pretty much anyone who wanted Shepard to live got the raw end of the stick. In fact I won't deny there are about two dozen raw ends to that stick. I'm incredibly lucky in that a lot of what I wanted happened to manifest and if anyone thinks that means I wanted something stupid, well, that's your right to believe. Obviously I disagree.

 

I could have done with more closure, but the only ending that really bugs me big-time is, ironically, Destroy.



#188
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Your last post sums up my solution to the ending pretty well:

 

The beautiful thing about individuality is that we can pluck these things from our brains at will and no one can take that plucking away from us.

 

I just turn the game off after Shepard's conversation with Anderson, reject their reality and substitute my own. Shepard lives, as long as I don't play past that point.



#189
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Your last post sums up my solution to the ending pretty well:


I just turn the game off after Shepard's conversation with Anderson, reject their reality and substitute my own. Shepard lives, as long as I don't play past that point.


I like the ending, but I was well-aware going into that post many would identify their thoughts on the ending with it -- and that's totally cool. I'm glad people can do so. I know I would. Pre-EC I was pretty bitter myself.

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True.

The forums got an ending slideshow added (the good) and a ton of fanservice like certain romances and other garbage (the bad).

 

A slideshow? OMFG alert the media of the greatest thing since sliced bread.

 

Otherwise, to the underlined: "Certain romances" are fanservice and garbage eh? As opposed to those romances (presumably yours) that are gems and integral to the plot?


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Obviously Shepard's clone was made by Miranda's clone, so the original Miranda never knew about it.

 

No inconsistencies here >_>



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Marauder Shields is still a better comic.



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There's a list somewhere that includes all of them.
 
For me, the worst problems were the changes in character personalities (Kai Leng and Gillian were the most noticeable) and the writing itself. They also messed up the timeline - if I remember right, with Gillian's age being what they said it was, Deception would have taken place after ME3 (it doesn't).


Yeah, here's an article that links to the list.

http://www.eurogamer...-deception-book

Though some of them I don't get. "Aria T'Loak is a pseudonym"? When was that established?



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Marauder Shields is still a better comic.

I keep forgetting about that, then something (usually on these forums) reminds me and I return to deviant art to check out the new episodes. And every time, I love the art and the accompanying music, and get disoriented and confused by what's happening because I've forgotten the important plot developments in the previous episodes.

Once the last episode is done, I'm going to have to read them again from the beginning :P



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could it be that the citadel dlc: miranda was off. since citadel dlc is kinda of a fan service thing and doesn't follow the writers story line. but a simple thing is she could be lying or just did not bother to tell shepard about it.

 

the control chip in shepards brain could just had been the tip of the iceberg of the things she hasn't told you.

with that project lazarus could have delved into something more insidious yet unknown?

 

then questions: mirandas personality is up to the writer and not the player. while shepards is up to the player most of the time. the player can not decide whether if miranda is truthful or not. her character is not obligated to tell the truth to shepard.



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Yeah, here's an article that links to the list.

http://www.eurogamer...-deception-book

Though some of them I don't get. "Aria T'Loak is a pseudonym"? When was that established?

 

In ME2 she says that she uses many names, at the time the implication seemed to be that "Aria T'Loak" was merely the identity she assumed when she came to Omega. 

 

Edit: and to give some context, Aria in ME2 has basically severed any connections with her old life whatsoever - the idea that she'd return to Thessia to participate in a kind of mobster Mafia funeral thing is just ridiculous, but that's what happened in Deception.



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Isn't impled that she was the asari wrex fought on that space station.

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She says goodbye to Shepard with the same line that Wrex said Aleena used, so that was the impression, yes.

 

Though I think the writers either forgot about it in ME3 or didn't want to continue the connection, because I don't remember it ever coming up again. 



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could it be that the citadel dlc: miranda was off. since citadel dlc is kinda of a fan service thing and doesn't follow the writers story line. but a simple thing is she could be lying or just did not bother to tell shepard about it.
 
the control chip in shepards brain could just had been the tip of the iceberg of the things she hasn't told you.
with that project lazarus could have delved into something more insidious yet unknown?
 
then questions: mirandas personality is up to the writer and not the player. while shepards is up to the player most of the time. the player can not decide whether if miranda is truthful or not. her character is not obligated to tell the truth to shepard.


Disagree Miranda's characterisation in citadel is perfectly in character and she has zero reason to be directly lying to Shep. Either the comic is an an idiotic mistake or utterly cretinous character bashing.
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