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[bazzag]

What annoyed me the most about DA2 romances was the fact that apart from Sebastien, all the LIs were Bisexual. I wouldnt of minded if it was only one or two, but ALL? It removes a part of the uniqueness of playing different genders, which i like to do. In origins you had to play as a male to see what happens if you choose to romance morrigan, or a female for alistair. Other than that i didn't mind too much, perhaps have more romance specific dialogue or something.

[spirosz]

What annoyed me the most about DA2 romances was the fact that apart from Sebastien, all the LIs were Bisexual. I wouldnt of minded if it was only one or two, but ALL? It removes a part of the uniqueness of playing different genders, which i like to do. In origins you had to play as a male to see what happens if you choose to romance morrigan, or a female for alistair. Other than that i didn't mind too much, perhaps have more romance specific dialogue or something.

 

I would get into this, but there is still certain uniqueness based off the gender you choose to roleplay and who you romance.  Plus, I don't like the whole romance = character growth.  

[bazzag]

 

I would get into this, but there is still certain uniqueness based off the gender you choose to roleplay and who you romance.  Plus, I don't like the whole romance = character growth.  

 

Well, yeah. It just a personal preference. I suppose what i was trying to get at was i like the idea of gender specific details that go on in games. Be it certain npcs that treat you differently (Harkin in ME1) or npc's that woo you depending on gender, it helps to persuade the gamer to play as different genders to see how the story plays out differently. I just prefer romances to be the same. Gender specific, with a few exceptions. 

[Bekkael]

The problem I have with DA's romance (It's not just DA but every game that uses a medieval setting) is that protection wasn't invented. When woman had sex they got pregnant and when people had sex they might have gotten incurable STD. It really bothers me because it seams like every hawke/warden/LI in the game is sterril... What do you think?

 

Don't forget Thedas has magic!

 

If you really want that sort of thing acknowledged in a game, there's always Fable 2 or 3. Personally, I was rather horrified in Fable 3 when my character slept with her husband for the first time, and not only got pregnant, but caught an STD!   It didn't add anything fun to my roleplay (except in a twisted humor kind of way), but it certainly disgusted me.

 

I far prefer the way BioWare handles relationships/intimacy in their games. It's sweet and fun, without anything gross. I think the closest BioWare has ever come to grossing me out is with Isabela and her extreme promiscuity, but it's easy to avoid her entirely (I have DA2 playthroughs where I never even saw her once), so no big deal. To each their own etc.

[Knight of Dane]

I think the risky icky parts sex can result in should be kept to life simulators.

 

Adult the Sims 3

[Fast Jimmy]

All this thread says to me, personally, is that the forum already needs a romance section to push these conversations to.

[Renmiri1]

Just so you know, sheep's bladder and some herbs have been used as condom and "day 1 pill" since Egypt.. Middle ages may not have the 99% effective stuff we do but they did have some ways of preventing or stopping early pregnancy. Thedas can have all that plus magic...

[BroBear Berbil]

Thedas can have all that plus magic...

 

Hmm, now I'm picturing tranquil selling magical contraceptives. They'd probably make more money from it than enchantments.

[ladyofpayne]

I want LI that don't have whiny personality. There were only one person who doesn't eat PC's brain- Zevran.

[Brass_Buckles]

I don't care whether or not I can have my Inquisitor ask for sexytimes whenever.  Actually doing so doesn't always make sense.  What if the Inquisitor, or the love interest, has been through something traumatic recently?  Depending on the person, that may not be the best time to say, "Hey honey let's have sex."

 

Kissing anytime is nice, but talking at the camp (probably your castle, for the Inquisitor) will be even better.  With more development time in DAI than DA2 had, hopefully the depth of each character will be much better.

 

I am hoping, like an above poster, that we don't get cut out of getting to know characters based on whether or not we romanced them.  To some degree that may make sense--there are some things you might tell your lover that you would never tell even your best friend.  However, the things that you couldn't learn in many Bioware games without first romancing a character weren't things that I think these characters would otherwise withhold from you.

 

So yeah.  Random sexytimes don't matter to me.  Random kissyface doesn't matter all that much either--it's cute, but it doesn't do much besides add immersion.  I just want interesting characters to interact with and take with me.  Since we don't know who most of them will be, I don't even know if there will be one I'd want to play out a romance with in the first place.  We shall see.

[Zelanthair]

I do realize that romancing is a minor detail of the Dragon Age series. It's not required to complete the game, but it's a nice feature that lets you personalize your game. I'm an Alistair fan. I favor him greatly. No matter how many times I try and romance others to complete achievements, I always end up loading a previous save and going with Alistair. Other people prefer Zevran, or Leliana, or Morrigan. That's their own little personalization in your world of Dragon Age.

 

Even knowing that the romancing is a small detail, I hope Bioware considers this. It was amusing to me to have the option to sexytime or kiss my romantic interest when I wanted to. With the heavy elements that DA:I is introducing, I think a bit of light-hearted playing (such as romancing) would be welcome.

 

It wouldn't hurt to include proposing sexytime or kissytime with your romantic interest. Some people can do without it (as I see from the comments, which are welcome here. I love hearing from others about the romance), but others really want it included.If you don't want to partake in such actions, you don't have to, but it would be nice to have the option available for those who do want it.

[Knight of Dane]

They are hardly a "minor" detail. Most of Biowares fandom revolves around their great characters and in turn the various interactions you can have with them.

[SamaraDraven]

The problem I have with DA's romance (It's not just DA but every game that uses a medieval setting) is that protection wasn't invented. When woman had sex they got pregnant and when people had sex they might have gotten incurable STD. It really bothers me because it seams like every hawke/warden/LI in the game is sterril... What do you think?

 

In our history, there were herbs that could induce menstruation if a lady was "late" or just because she wasn't regular. Taking said herbs regularly acted as a form of contraception. There's also pulling out, which works somewhat, if done right, and when a woman knows she is least fertile (called the rhythm method). STDs weren't preventable but avoiding pregnancy had some options.

 

Also? In DAO, the Warden, being tainted as he/she was, would have been sterile or nearly so. Alistair mentions this. As for Hawke? Maybe having a mage friend who could make contraceptive potions or being a mage who could make contraceptive potions or simply being able to buy contraceptive potions and herbs is how she/he managed not to have children for so long? It seems possible and plausible to me.

[Brass_Buckles]

I do realize that romancing is a minor detail of the Dragon Age series. It's not required to complete the game, but it's a nice feature that lets you personalize your game. I'm an Alistair fan. I favor him greatly. No matter how many times I try and romance others to complete achievements, I always end up loading a previous save and going with Alistair. Other people prefer Zevran, or Leliana, or Morrigan. That's their own little personalization in your world of Dragon Age.

 

Even knowing that the romancing is a small detail, I hope Bioware considers this. It was amusing to me to have the option to sexytime or kiss my romantic interest when I wanted to. With the heavy elements that DA:I is introducing, I think a bit of light-hearted playing (such as romancing) would be welcome.

 

It wouldn't hurt to include proposing sexytime or kissytime with your romantic interest. Some people can do without it (as I see from the comments, which are welcome here. I love hearing from others about the romance), but others really want it included.If you don't want to partake in such actions, you don't have to, but it would be nice to have the option available for those who do want it.

 

I never said the option should be left out, if you're referring to me.  What I am saying is that I'd rather have time spent developing the characters than giving something gimmicky like a fade-to-black "make love" scene.  I get that you like it, but I also point out that it isn't always character-appropriate, just like not every character would be appropriate to romance--because they aren't interested, or they're with someone else, etc.

 

I enjoyed the random kissyface times, too.  I used the "invite to tent" too.  Yet, I won't miss it if it isn't there.  Again, it's not always appropriate and the writers may decide that it's best to only have scripted intimate moments.  I miss talking to my romantic interests outside of those scripted moments far more than I miss grabbing them for a smooch or asking them to warm my bedroll for me.  So basically all I'm saying is if it comes down to having more conversations or having more unscripted sex, I'd choose conversations.  And if I had to choose between the sexytimes and kissyface, I'd pick kissing because you can do it anywhere.  ("Honey do you really want to do this in the throne room with the king present?"  "Yup."  "Okay, if you're fine with it so am I."  *smooch*)  If we get to have all of this, it's just icing on the cake and everything's peachy.

 

If Mass Effect had enabled me to talk to my squad as much as Dragon Age Origins let me talk to my party, I'd have had to be pried away from Mass Effect with a crowbar.  Saying different things gave different responses, and it was fun to play different characters--they weren't always as wildly different as they are in Mass Effect or DA2.  The characters in DAO had depth even if you didn't actually like any of them; they were interesting.

 

Romance is a bigger part of Bioware than some people let on--it helps with immersion, it gives you more reason to care what happens.  A lot of us were upset at the ME3 ending because *melodramatic shout* "WHAT HAPPENS TO MY LOVE INTEREST???"  (Interestingly Bioware has talked about making a game with no romance, in an interview I read.  Can't remember where it was, alas.  I hope they warn the fans beforehand, because at this point most people expect romance from Bioware games.)

[Zelanthair]

I never said the option should be left out, if you're referring to me.  What I am saying is that I'd rather have time spent developing the characters than giving something gimmicky like a fade-to-black "make love" scene.  I get that you like it, but I also point out that it isn't always character-appropriate, just like not every character would be appropriate to romance--because they aren't interested, or they're with someone else, etc.

 

There were other sources that lead me to posting here again. ^^" One of my friends in RL (pretty much the only one who plays games like Dragon Age) didn't care much for the romances. He made fun of me for liking the romances. (XD Don't worry, I punished him for saying such sacrilege) I also have a topic in other websites. There are quite a lot of people excited for DA:I! I truly can't wait for more news!

 

You raise a good point. I would like them to spend time developing the characters as well. If they 'happen' to get some good kissy or sexy-time options in on their way, I'd be highly satisfied. More than highly satisfied. If they don't, well, they don't. I'm not one of those persons who claim that they won't buy the game just because something won't be in it. Frankly, I will buy the game no matter what. I love the franchise. Even through DA2, I loved the franchise. (I have a bit of a love-hate relationship with DA2. I've gone 100+ hours on DA:O, but only about 45 hours at most on DA2. Mostly it's because there's less choice involved in DA2, but there were some really good things introduced. It was worth the price I paid for the game.) 

 

 

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That being said, I'll turn my wicked gaze on the lovely BioWare employees that frequent the forums. (CAN YOU HEAR ME ALLAN. I'M REFERENCING YOU! ;D)

 

I'd like you to feast your gaze on these two mods that I just found out about today, and I think would have made an excellent addition to DA:O. 

 

WARNING: PREPARE TO BE SUCKER-PUNCHED IN THE FEELS. You have been warned.

 

 

A Hero's Sacrifice

Alistair's Funeral

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Now, the reason I suggest these is that I get [way too] emotionally tied to my chosen romance. I hadn't even heard about these two mods until today, and these just slammed me in my feels. I would have LOVED for these to have shown up in my console version of the game. (My laptop is not up to the task of gaming, sadly.) This kind of gut-wrenching emotional scenes are good to put in, especially in the case of an ultimate sacrifice like what was in DA:O. I'd love to see something similar (if there ever happens to be a choice where the player character dies) in future games. 

[Zazzerka]

 

I'm yet to see a modder whose female Warden doesn't look like a sex worker. C'mon, girl, you're at a funeral. Show some respect.

[Fast Jimmy]

I'm yet to see a modder whose female Warden doesn't look like a sex worker. C'mon, girl, you're at a funeral. Show some respect.

 

Ha!

 

The lowcut top was one thing... but the feathered miniskirt had me laughing.

[ladyofpayne]

I hope we will get Male LI which is man not teenager like Fenris or Alistair. Zevran was amazing and he didn't eat PC's brain. Anders and Fenris forced to leave my PC's alone becaue I am so tired of them. I'd like to romance Varric bu he wasn't romanceable.

[Zazzerka]

I hope we will get Male LI which is man not teenager like Fenris or Alistair. Zevran was amazing and he didn't eat PC's brain.

 

You're thinking of zombies, not teenagers.

[Andraste_Reborn]

You're thinking of zombies, not teenagers.

 

Between the shambling and the inarticulate groaning, it's an easy mistake to make.

[Eyil]

Uh yeah, as to the kissing thing, it's kind of pointless. What did it add for said characters involved after the 75th time:

 

1. Depth-Nope. 

2. Emotional Growth in the relationship-Nope

3. Realism-(Hey I know we're out in the middle of a situation where a dragon could eat us, but hey, let's makeout, yo!)-Nope

 

I'm all for showing affection between two significant others, but just kissing to kiss, or telling someone to sleep with you every time you come back to camp is a pointless endeavour. If such things came along with real character growth, or even more than passing banter, that isn't the same two lines on repeat, to make it more realistic, sure. Otherwise, it's a waste of BioWare's time to put in such things, and yours to pick them. 

That could make for some funny dialogue, actually, if Bioware made it so that you could only kiss your characters in "safe zones" like cities. Upon the proposition your romance could take a quick look around and then respond with something along the lines of "Ummm, don't you think we should save that until we're somewhere where we're less likely to be ambushed?" Like 'yo player keep it in your trousers we're fighting dragons'

[Bluto Blutarskyx]

I don't see why people are saying that the whole "invite to tent" fade to black is "unessesary" the fact that it adds to role playing and allows players to either define a romance on their own terms or at least indicate that there is something going on when they want it going on leaves control and options in the hands of the player.

 

those who don't want it don't use it. IMO, they need to cut down on the whole "initial" sex scene cinematic, it does take more time to go through and adds little especially since bioware moved away from the stylized mass effect 1 versions and came out with half-assed g rated scenes that are more of a joke than art.

 

pay respect to the romance and sex options with a simple fade to black. maybe some brief dialogue beforehand.

 

but this lets the player determine the course of any romance/sex/screwbuddy relationship(s) and doesn't add a hell of a lot of programming issues for the developers.

 

but to claim that something that can differentiate and define how a character is played and a common thing at that is as silly as claiming weapon and armor variety and even facegen is "unessesary".

 

if something adds to immersion it is likely necessary.

 

the fact that in dao a player could determine the speed at which any romance(s) progressed also added a big level of depth there. da2 just came out absurd in this (and most other) regards.

 

EDIT:

 

those little "and ones" do add to growth for the simple fact that it permits the player to define aspects of his/her own character.

 

if a person wants their "growth" spoon fed to them, then rpgs are probably not their thing.

I love red dead redemption and assasins creed black flag are both exceptional games I would highly recommend to anyone who wants to play an open world based quest game that has pre-determined character growth done very well.

 

in an rpg- YOU define your character and his/her/its interaction with the world around them. 

more ability to define = good, less = bad.

 

a simple fade to black is a very simple "and one" as far as programming goes that adds way more depth than the effort to add it (as indicated above).

 

if YOU feel its not appropriate for your char based on your chars personality to have sex during their down time when the world can end the next day, well that's your definition of your character. others have a different definition, but to claim that because your character wouldn't use it that it should be imposed upon and define everyone elses run (and multiple characters- ive used it and not) is just beyond ridiculous.

[Zelanthair]

I'm yet to see a modder whose female Warden doesn't look like a sex worker. C'mon, girl, you're at a funeral. Show some respect.

 

Well said! The only PC game I have that you can mod is Skyrim, and the only mods I have are the better males (I love the improvement to the faces), hair color, and eye color mods. I don't like changing the hair or outfits. I do like having more hair and eye color options though. I'm gonna stick to console gaming though. I like it better.

[Mes]

I hope we will get Male LI which is man not teenager like Fenris or Alistair. Zevran was amazing and he didn't eat PC's brain. Anders and Fenris forced to leave my PC's alone becaue I am so tired of them. I'd like to romance Varric bu he wasn't romanceable.

 

What! Wasn't Alistair like 30 or something??

 

I thought (and still think) that he's the best Bioware LI I've seen. Though I wish he wasn't AS easy as he was. I mean you could pretty much cement your relationship with him as early as Redcliffe.

[Zelanthair]

What! Wasn't Alistair like 30 or something??

 

I thought (and still think) that he's the best Bioware LI I've seen. Though I wish he wasn't AS easy as he was. I mean you could pretty much cement your relationship with him as early as Redcliffe.

 

I believe David Gaider mentioned on his tumblr that Alistair was 20 or 21 in DA:O. (Making him in his mid-late 20's at the end of DA2)

 

(And yes. David did an EXCELLENT job on Alistair. I keep going back to him every time I replay DA:O.)