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[dogstar12]

I like to see that four armed alien from the comic with Vega in it (the one with him on omega)

[WillieStyle]

as for Yahg.....they'd make fun villians.
 

 

Correction: Yahg would make fun villains for half a game or so.  Until you realized that characters without weaknesses are boring.  And no, "but they are so aggressive" doesn't count as a compelling weakness.  We already have the Asari - near immortal, artistic, beautiful, diplomatic, biotic, space ninjas.  We don't need yet another Mary Sue race in the ME universe.  Furthermore, the Yahg don't even bring anything interesting to the table.  They are just really crafty and agile Krogan who haven't nuked their own planet yet. Ugh I hate the Yahg.

[windsea]

seeing as both of them were unaffected by the reapers, Raloi destroyed "any satellites and observation equipment in orbit around their planet" and hide and Yagh were too primate, that makes them prime candidates for Bioware's tendency to write their stories in a way that your past choices not affect the overall plot.

[Han Shot First]

I like to see that four armed alien from the comic with Vega in it (the one with him on omega)

 

I'd love at least for there to be some lore on that thing. We don't even know what they are called.

[Larry-3]

I want to see a Raloi eat ravioli... What? They sound so simmer it made me think of it.

[Han Yolo]

Crossing my fingers that the whole yahg planet can be bombed to bits by the next protagonist. I wanted to do that for a very long time now. So yes please, yahg in MEnext!

[Han Yolo]

I want to see a Raloi eat ravioli... What? They sound so simmer it made me think of it.

 

Thanks, now ya made me hungry!

[L. Han]

I could imagine the Raloi in the next game being hated on by everyone for pitching in the war.

[Dunmer of Redoran]

Correction: Yahg would make fun villains for half a game or so.  Until you realized that characters without weaknesses are boring.  And no, "but they are so aggressive" doesn't count as a compelling weakness.  We already have the Asari - near immortal, artistic, beautiful, diplomatic, biotic, space ninjas.  We don't need yet another Mary Sue race in the ME universe.  Furthermore, the Yahg don't even bring anything interesting to the table.  They are just really crafty and agile Krogan who haven't nuked their own planet yet. Ugh I hate the Yahg.

 

They aren't like Krogan because they don't have the unbelievable birthrate or resilience. In-game, Krogan are much weaker than in-lore for purposes of gameplay balance. The Krogan are an r-selected sapient race. Lacking those traits, the Yahg are strongly hinted at being K-selected and thus probably have a low birthrate and low population.

 

Yahg are bigger and stronger than Krogan, and possess more cunning, but there's nothing to say that they are galactic survivalists. And their inability to make good decisions when under duress makes them particularly inflexible and stubborn. Not good traits for galactic dominance.

[Lunch Box1912]

I'd love to see the Raloi play a role in the sequel.

 

On that note, I think something similar to this fan concept could work:

 

 

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I would like to see them try to put that helmet on lol

[Luke Pearce]

but some of the other races are probably kinda pissed at them for chickening out, even though there was very little the raloi could have done to help.

 

I see what you did there! If the council asks them why they chickened out then the Raloi could respond with 'it's in our nature'.

[Tex]

Correction: Yahg would make fun villains for half a game or so.  Until you realized that characters without weaknesses are boring.  And no, "but they are so aggressive" doesn't count as a compelling weakness.  We already have the Asari - near immortal, artistic, beautiful, diplomatic, biotic, space ninjas.  We don't need yet another Mary Sue race in the ME universe.  Furthermore, the Yahg don't even bring anything interesting to the table.  They are just really crafty and agile Krogan who haven't nuked their own planet yet. Ugh I hate the Yahg.

How exactly are Asari "Mary Sues" ? they are an amazing and diverse race and I would really love to play as one in the next mass effect game.

[Nitrocuban]

Raloi?

[makes chicken sound]

[WillieStyle]

They aren't like Krogan because they don't have the unbelievable birthrate or resilience. In-game, Krogan are much weaker than in-lore for purposes of gameplay balance. The Krogan are an r-selected sapient race. Lacking those traits, the Yahg are strongly hinted at being K-selected and thus probably have a low birthrate and low population.

 

Yahg are bigger and stronger than Krogan, and possess more cunning, but there's nothing to say that they are galactic survivalists. And their inability to make good decisions when under duress makes them particularly inflexible and stubborn. Not good traits for galactic dominance.

 

Interesting points.  I hadn't thought of those.

[WillieStyle]

How exactly are Asari "Mary Sues" ? they are an amazing and diverse race and I would really love to play as one in the next mass effect game.

 

Seriously?

What is the most scientifically advanced species in the Mass Effect universe?

What is the longest lived species in the Mass Effect universe?

Which species is the most widely viewed as objects of sexual desire (hottest species)?

What is the most respected species in the Mass Effect universe.

What is the most artistic species in the Mass Effect universe.

Which species has the highest incidence of individuals capable of space-magic in the Mass Effect universe?

 

You know you're a Mary-Sue species when your weaknesses include:

-too busy making art and pole-dancing to focus on warfare, and

-have a tendency to spawn super-sexy murderous-vampires who prey on the multitudes of people who want to sleep with them.

[WillieStyle]

I could imagine the Raloi in the next game being hated on by everyone for pitching in the war.

 

What?!  How many "war assets" could a species who just launched their first Hubble Space Telescope contribute to the war against the Reapers?  Every space-faring species fighting the Reapers should have hoped and prayed that the Reapers ignored the Raloi.  The best thing a cycle could possibly have is an advanced species at the very beginning of the cycle that knows for a fact that the Reapers are real and coming to kill everyone someday.  Imagine if we had that in our cycle?  Shepherd wouldn't have had to go through so much trouble in ME1 and ME2.

[Quarian Master Race]

What is the most scientifically advanced species in the Mass Effect universe?

Uhhh....probably the salarians in most life sciences, and the quarians in engineering and perhaps physics. Asari may have the soft/social sciences and history/ anthropology related fields.

 

 

What is the longest lived species in the Mass Effect universe?

Possibly asari, but also just as likely krogan.
 

 

 

What is the most respected species in the Mass Effect universe.

Conjecture, and depends on who you ask. I'd say the Turians or Salarians, but probably not the one that is frequently derided by the others as being full of prostitutes.

 

 

What is the most artistic species in the Mass Effect universe.

We hardly hear enough about this in universe to make a rational judgement, but from the top of my head the humans, elcor and quarians are also mentioned to have a cultural interest in artistic pursuits.

 

 

Which species has the highest incidence of individuals capable of space-magic in the Mass Effect universe?

Define "space-magic". Most of the races do unbelievable things with technology. I hardly think that an asari using telekinesis is more space-magic than a salarian or quarian launching fire/ice balls from their hands or remotely overheating an enemy rifle's mechanical components. In fact, I think the most "space magic" species is the geth, because the concept of self sufficient, sentient, sapient computer programs is extremely far-fetched.

 

 

Which species is the most widely viewed as objects of sexual desire (hottest species)?

 

You know you're a Mary-Sue species when your weaknesses include:

-too busy making art and pole-dancing to focus on warfare, and

-have a tendency to spawn super-sexy murderous-vampires who prey on the multitudes of people who want to sleep with them.

These are all obvious fanservice aspects, and I agree the species would be better if they were downplayed a bit. That said, I don't think the asari were presented as superior any more than the other Council races, and I'm not a fan of them. 

Their weaknesses seem to be military capability (on a macro level), complacency, indecisiveness and lack of entrepreneurial spirit (probably as a result of the aforementioned long life span), in addition to being physically unremarkable outside of the life span, propensity for biotics and sexual characteristics. 

You may not like them, but they are relatively well balanced with the other races in the setting save the actual "Mary Sues", which are undoubtedly humanity.

[Han Shot First]

One flaw that I think might be interesting to squeeze into the Asari lore...

 

We know that because the Asari are a very long-lived species they often tend to be better at having a 'long view' in their planning, compared to the shorter lived species. That much was mentioned in the lore, and actually makes sense considering their life spans. 500 years from now is so distant a future for us that we can't even really imagine it let alone plan for it, while that same time frame would probably be within the average Asari's life span. That one is an advantage they hold over species with shorter lifespans like humans or Salarians.

 

On the other hand there should be a flip side to that that works as a flaw. Being so long-lived might also mean that the Asari would be slower to adapt new ideas and be more resistant to change than shorter lived species, who turn over generations quicker and more often.

[WillieStyle]

That said, I don't think the asari were presented as superior any more than the other Council races, and I'm not a fan of them. 

 

Go back and play Priority Thessia in ME3 again.  It's explicitly noted by Shepherd and others that the Asari are the most advanced race in the galaxy.  They are also the diplomatic leaders of the Council.  The series - all the way from ME1 to ME3 - hits you over the head again again with the notion that the Asari are the galaxy's thought leaders.

[ForgottenWarrior]

Yahg should defiently play a larger role in ME4. Great race with a lot of potential.

[SwobyJ]

The asari are/were the most advanced species in the galaxy.

 

That doesn't mean in all respects. Technologically, others are better. Miltiarily, others are better.

 

But the asari used their soft-power advances to take much of what the others had and make it their own. Putting them at the top, overall.

 

This doesn't mean they outright win out in particular competitions. The point was made that asari comparatively rested on their laurels (with initiative taken by characters like Benezia to be NOT the norm). This was a big enough flaw to put them at a significant disadvantage when against the threat of the Reapers - who depend on lesser species resting on their laurels.

 

It was their 'thought leadership' that would have made the galaxy incredibly easy to harvest - but combined with the actions taken by Shepard and Humanity (both Alliance and Cerberus, frankly), this cycle was made to be, by the asari, the best hope for stopping the Reapers. They just needed Shepard/etc, but still. They set up a more unified galaxy that was necessary to use in the war, keeping Reapers on their toes as long as a war continued (at least I got that impression from war related entries on the codex, etc).

 

Basically, asari are best/worst. I've not been at all surprised at the great love and hate they get (and also, Liara herself). I rarely see someone with a more neutral or moderate view on them.

[Mister J]

I greatly appreciate it that in Mass Effect no race is really truly evil (although Batarians and Vorcha come close) and even enemies are always complex and got stories to tell and all that; I do like that, I really do.

 

But sometimes, I just want to turn my brain off and kick the snot out of the uncomplicated thoroughly evil space scum. And I think the Yagh are perfect for that. Together with the Vorcha.

[Han Shot First]

I think they should keep the Yahg as a species, pre-space flight.

 

But that doesn't mean you couldn't have the occasional Yahg character appear, whether as an antagonist or a companion. I think they could be interesting in small doses. 

 

If the entire species were to join the galactic civilization I think they would need to tone down some of the previous descriptions in the lore, as it would make them either too overpowered, or too weak considering their description has them as smarter than Salarians & more powerful than Krogan. If they were to join galactic civilization I think that description should only apply to the most exceptional Yahg (basically the alphas) and not the species as a whole. That slight retcon could work as well, because the other species have really only had very limited contact with the Yahg. After first contact the rest of the galaxy collectively went...

 

[Quarian Master Race]

Go back and play Priority Thessia in ME3 again.  It's explicitly noted by Shepherd and others that the Asari are the most advanced race in the galaxy.  They are also the diplomatic leaders of the Council.  The series - all the way from ME1 to ME3 - hits you over the head again again with the notion that the Asari are the galaxy's thought leaders.

It's also "explicitly noted" by Shepard that the asari need others to reproduce among other silly and ridiculous anecdotes. It has already been shown that there are plenty of things other species are more adept in.

The last sentence in particular is conjecture. I never got that impression. In fact, their leadership makes some of the most dim-witted decisions of any race period in terms of negative consequences.