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[MrMrPendragon]

The walking to me wasn't so bad, it was the running that ruined it for me.

But i guess the whole thing doesn't bother me as much. I'm not too anal about every single detail in the game.

[QueenPurpleScrap]

For me the FemHawke run was definitely . . . odd. I appreciated that they wanted to make a female protagonist move like a female, I just that they went a little too far. Especially with the run. In DAO it was disconcerting to see my female Wardens, especially if a mage, walking like Duncan.

[highcastle]

I never understood complaints about female characters using male animations. They never felt out of place or overtly masculine. They were much more neutral in terms of movement and expression. The f!Hawke run, on the other hand, seemed present solely to appeal to male gaze. I found it tremendously off-putting and I didn't play a female character until I could mod it away.

[DarthSideus2]

Hi, I'm Commander Shepard...er, I mean male Mage Hawk, and Isabela's walk animation is my favorite in Kirkwall.

[TKavatar]

I still can't unsee it...that running animation is just so bad. I'm surprised Cassandra's hips aren't broken from all that sashaying about.

On a more happier note, I think each race has their own set of animations now because bald elf guy runs a bit differently than the Inquisitor .

[NUM13ER]

Well I appreciated the different animations for the genders. We do move differently. Admittedly they probably exaggerated the female Hawke animations in order to distance it from the male Hawke movements.

It could have been more subtle and still have been noticed. We're fairly good at picking up body language among our own species after all. But again I thought it was a nice touch.

That said I do find it amusing people are claiming ignorance to fact we both walk, run and move differently. Like this is some foreign concept only now being sprung on you. 

[ruggly]

I demand that the inquisitor runs like this

 

[Heimdall]

I demand that the inquisitor runs like this
 

Surely a solution that will appease all parties, good sir.

[ruggly]

Surely a solution that will appease all parties, good sir.

 

Mmm, quite.

[highcastle]

Well I appreciated the different animations for the genders. We do move differently. Admittedly they probably exaggerated the female Hawke animations in order to distance it from the male Hawke movements.

It could have been more subtle and still have been noticed. We're fairly good at picking up body language among our own species after all. But again I thought it was a nice touch.

That said I do find it amusing people are claiming ignorance to fact we both walk, run and move differently. Like this is some foreign concept only now being sprung on you. 

 

Gendered movement is a more complex issue than it might seem at first glance, though. First, it is largely a social or learned behavior. Toddlers learning to walk and young children at play have been found to move nearly identically. This suggests there is nothing physical or biological that would determine a difference in movement patterns. Instead, people are often encouraged to walk or move in a particular pattern according to societal norms. Think about now mostly defunct charm schools placing books on the heads of young women to get them to balance a certain way, for instance. Movements that are considered masculine or feminine also are not universal across cultures. So once more, there's not a whole lot of evidence to suggest men and women are inherently going to move in different ways.

 

So when f!Hawke sashays around Kirkwall, it says something about the culture she was raised in. Yet Thedas is apparently a more egalitarian culture than ours. Women are in many positions of power, and Andraste is revered practically as a demi-god. Women can be paragons in dwarven societies and keepers in elven ones. So why would there be this push to walk in a manner seen as sexually attractive by our society when it is functionally pretty useless? It wouldn't help you when running cross country or fighting bandits, all activities that Hawke engages in. Its presence in the game is there to appeal to a particular audience. That's all.

[K-Mart]

I liked my Hawke strut! Much preferable to the man-walk of Origins and my Shepards.

[Banxey]

The shield made me think it was Cass too. But I took another look and think it's actually Vivi. I adjusted the contrast a bit and I think the robes match her open-legged ones. 

 

[CuriousArtemis]

Gendered movement is a more complex issue than it might seem at first glance, though. First, it is largely a social or learned behavior. Toddlers learning to walk and young children at play have been found to move nearly identically. This suggests there is nothing physical or biological that would determine a difference in movement patterns. Instead, people are often encouraged to walk or move in a particular pattern according to societal norms. Think about now mostly defunct charm schools placing books on the heads of young women to get them to balance a certain way, for instance. Movements that are considered masculine or feminine also are not universal across cultures. So once more, there's not a whole lot of evidence to suggest men and women are inherently going to move in different ways.

 

So when f!Hawke sashays around Kirkwall, it says something about the culture she was raised in. Yet Thedas is apparently a more egalitarian culture than ours. Women are in many positions of power, and Andraste is revered practically as a demi-god. Women can be paragons in dwarven societies and keepers in elven ones. So why would there be this push to walk in a manner seen as sexually attractive by our society when it is functionally pretty useless? It wouldn't help you when running cross country or fighting bandits, all activities that Hawke engages in. Its presence in the game is there to appeal to a particular audience. That's all.

 

Ah, brilliant response It definitely does not make biological sense (although no amount of pointing that out will convince the naysayers in this thread). It has to be sociological. And what does that say about Thedas?

[KainD]

That said I do find it amusing people are claiming ignorance to fact we both walk, run and move differently. Like this is some foreign concept only now being sprung on you. 

 

People run and move differently, yes, not males and females. 

[DRTJR]

The shield made me think it was Cass too. But I took another look and think it's actually Vivi. I adjusted the contrast a bit and I think the robes match her open-legged ones.

Arcane Warrior return? Sweet.
This hip sway crucible has yielded some knowledge.

[Banxey]

Arcane Warrior return? Sweet.
This hip sway crucible has yielded some knowledge.

 

Given what we know about Vivi, she probably just uses the shield to stop blood spattering on her clothes. 

[CuriousArtemis]

Another sign that it is sociological is that people who are transgender will often get "training" on how to walk as the opposite gender (the one they are transitioning to). I know a transgender man and he walks like any other dude. He doesn't walk "like a girl."

[Divine Justinia V]

This thread is just spiraling down faster & faster

[Atecia]

Thought this was interesting. Female movements captured in realtime as well as slow motion,

 

Jog Young adult female realtime

Jog Young Adult female half speed

 

Walk Long Stride Young Adult female realtime

Walk Long Stride Young Adult female slow motion

 

It would have been nice to have a normal length stide as well.

[KaiserShep]

Here's an animation reference video: 

 

Edit: Ha, beaten to it I guess.

[NUM13ER]

Gendered movement is a more complex issue than it might seem at first glance, though. First, it is largely a social or learned behavior. Toddlers learning to walk and young children at play have been found to move nearly identically. (I) This suggests there is nothing physical or biological that would determine a difference in movement patterns. Instead, people are often encouraged to walk or move in a particular pattern according to societal norms. Think about now mostly defunct charm schools placing books on the heads of young women to get them to balance a certain way, for instance. Movements that are considered masculine or feminine also are not universal across cultures. (II) So once more, there's not a whole lot of evidence to suggest men and women are inherently going to move in different ways.

 

So when f!Hawke sashays around Kirkwall, it says something about the culture she was raised in. Yet Thedas is apparently a more egalitarian culture than ours. Women are in many positions of power, and Andraste is revered practically as a demi-god. Women can be paragons in dwarven societies and keepers in elven ones. So why would there be this push to walk in a manner seen as sexually attractive by our society when it is functionally pretty useless? It wouldn't help you when running cross country or fighting bandits, all activities that Hawke engages in. Its presence in the game is there to appeal to a particular audience. That's all.

(I) Whilst I freely admit societal factors influence how we act around each other, I don't feel that it automatically discounts the physical or biological factors in how different genders moves. 

(II) Saying there aren't physical and biological differences between the genders, especially after puberty, simply because there's less distinction in childhood ignores a lot of evidence actually. Namely the physical and biological effect puberty has on us all.

(II) I don't see why being an exceptional warrior, in a culture where gender is irrelevant in battle, would negate the need for either gender to forgo all body language and movement pertaining to their sex . Functionally useless?! Fereldan society still has civilians of both genders in plentiful supply to enforce the factors you claim would be absent by virtue of women being able to bare arms. And I'm pretty sure a medieval based society would be inclined to enforce some very familiar social customs between the genders.

A women who is a leader but also wants to a appear attractive isn't that ludicrous. But again I did state the female animations lacked subtlety. Though some players liked having a sexy walk and obviously not all of them were males.

 

[NUM13ER]

People run and move differently, yes, not males and females. 

So every man and women I've observed my entire life who adhere to walking, moving and running differently in accordance with their gender has been my imagination. I've never seen a man walk with his shoulders swaying? A woman move with her hips swaying?

I see girls who run like female Hawk in the gym every other day on the treadmill, despite her exaggerated running animation. But my eyes were deceiving me? I know there are exceptions in both genders, but they are just that, exceptions. Gender plays a big part in how we move, society may enforce those differences, but they are there.

[Rainbow Wyvern]

So every man and women I've observed my entire life who adhere to walking, moving and running differently in accordance with their gender has been my imagination. I've never seen a man walk with his shoulders swaying? A woman move with her hips swaying?

I see girls who run like female Hawke in the gym every other day on the treadmill, despite her exaggerated running animation. But my eyes were deceiving me? I know there are exceptions in both genders, but they are just that, exceptions. Gender plays a big part in how we move, society may enforce those differences, but they are there.

"In accordance with their gender?" 

Goddess, that just sounds like you're painting gender as a rulebook or something.

It's a personal preference, the way one walks, not a gender-enforced thing. Society may affect how one walks, but gender does not. 

[LPPrince]

You know, if videos are gonna be put up of people walking and running and that sort of thing to rep the in-game stuff or make it look...struttier, it should probably be in armor to make more sense.

[CuriousArtemis]

Wow, thanks for those. I have never seen a woman run or walk before. It's probably not a good idea to walk around wearing my blindfold all day. I keep walking into poles and trees and stuff.

 

I don't know what's wrong with that girl. It's almost as if the filmmaker told her to literally walk like a girl. Geez, look at that right hip jut out! Sassy!

 

Here's some women running like normal people: