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[SNascimento]

1) Is blood magic inherently more powerful than any other kind of magic? It seems every mage gets a boost of power if they resort to it, but can a mage be the most powerful without blood magic? And even so, would he be even more powerful if he did?

2) About the old gods of the Tevinter Imperium, they were seven dragon like creatures, correct? But were they alive and free during the height of the empire or they were already buried? Did the action of storming the Golden City affected them somehow or it was only latter when the Darkspawn found them?

3) What is the precise relationship between a bloodmage and a demon? Can blood magic be used without the involvement of demons or that is its very definition?

I guess that's all...

[Divine Justinia V]

Man oh man, you really know how to ask the million dollar questions. Lol, I really hope these get answered in DA:I or else I'll be really really miserbale.

[Steelcan]

Blood Magic is more powerful in so much that is impossible to cut off like normal magic is.

 

The Old Gods are implied to have been imprisoned after the desecration of the Golden City

 

Yes it can be, but its hard to do so since it is not allowed to be taught

[Divine Justinia V]

Blood Magic is more powerful in so much that is impossible to cut off like normal magic is.

 

The Old Gods are implied to have been imprisoned after the desecration of the Golden City

 

Yes it can be, but its hard to do so since it is not allowed to be taught

welp

[SerCambria358]

I think so, The only way the Tevinter magisters were able to enter the Golden City, was through blood sacrifices. I think  blood and life force energy is more potent than lyrium, explaining why its so effective. I dont think demons HAVE to get involved, but its their power of temptation that snags victims which is a big deal, Jowan didnt seem to have trouble with demons which is surprising considering how weak willed he is

[dragonflight288]

1) Is blood magic inherently more powerful than any other kind of magic? It seems every mage gets a boost of power if they resort to it, but can a mage be the most powerful without blood magic? And even so, would he be even more powerful if he did?

2) About the old gods of the Tevinter Imperium, they were seven dragon like creatures, correct? But were they alive and free during the height of the empire or they were already buried? Did the action of storming the Golden City affected them somehow or it was only latter when the Darkspawn found them?

3) What is the precise relationship between a bloodmage and a demon? Can blood magic be used without the involvement of demons or that is its very definition?

I guess that's all...

 

1. Blood magic was used by the Imperium as an amplifier of spells in the absence of lyrium. So yes, it is inherently more powerful in that it makes existing spells more powerful. That was its initial approach until the Tevinters figured out that certain spells could only be cast using blood magic, so it became its own school.

 

It derives its power from pain and suffering alongside blood. 

 

Let's use an example. Merrill says in order to cleanse the eluvian shard of the darkspawn taint, she could've used lyrium had she any on hand, but she didn't. But blood magic was able to make up for the lack of it, where her normal magic failed. 

 

Or Jowan using blood magic on Isolde to send a mage into the Fade to help Connor, whereas the Circle would use lyrium, as neither can do it without either blood magic or lyrium.

 

A mage can be very powerful without blood magic but if he used blood magic to amplify his spells, and didn't use it for mind control or anything like that, yes, he could make himself a lot more powerful. He'd just have to be careful not to kill himself. 

 

2. The Old Gods most definitely existed. They were either locked away, or were always locked away before Andraste though because the First Blight occurred before Andraste was born. When they didn't come help Tevinter against the Blight despite being prayed to, it caused a crises of faith among the Imperium who worshiped them. 

 

3. The codex on mana and its fundamental uses outright says that mages draw on the power of the Fade naturally when they use spells. A mage by himself won't do much, but many mages practicing magic in a concentrated area will naturally weaken the veil. But the veil also weakens where there's a lot of bloodshed and suffering, such as the Denerim' Alienage's orphanage. Blood magic naturally causes blood and suffering since you're essentially a cutter, in addition to the use of magic, so it may draw a demon's attention more rapidly.

 

Add in that the Chantry has vilified magic and destroyed nearly all sources of learning it (and it's heavily implied that Jowan learned from books,) and so the most common way of learning blood magic is to make a deal with a demon.

 

I'm sure it's not 100% necessary, but it is the easiest way to learn, so most blood mages are affiliated with demons in some fashion. This may be different in Tevinter as pretty much every magister knows something of blood magic.

[CybAnt1]

2) About the old gods of the Tevinter Imperium, they were seven dragon like creatures, correct? But were they alive and free during the height of the empire or they were already buried? Did the action of storming the Golden City affected them somehow or it was only latter when the Darkspawn found them?

3) What is the precise relationship between a bloodmage and a demon? Can blood magic be used without the involvement of demons or that is its very definition?
 

 

3) Blood magic is said to have been taught to people by demons. You can learn it from demons in the game, but there are other ways to learn it. It's a "taboo" kind of magic because a) it's associated with demons. it has a vampiric aspect to it. c) you can mind control anything that has blood in it - and that would include, of course, people. 

 

2) The Chantry teaches the Maker imprisoned the Old gods. The Maker may or may not exist. Of course, if it doesn't, then something else did. 

[Jedi Master of Orion]

The Old Gods were said to be imprisoned underground during the days of the Ancient Imperium. They first approached the Neromenian Dreamers in the Fade and supposedly taught them Blood Magic. These eventually became the High Priests of Dumat and they evnetually became the first Magisters when the Imperium was founded. They were released from their undergorund prisons by the darkspawn and became Archdemons. The Chantry claimed they were imprisoned underground by the Maker for turning the hearts of humanity against the Maker.

[Ieldra]

1) Is blood magic inherently more powerful than any other kind of magic? It seems every mage gets a boost of power if they resort to it, but can a mage be the most powerful without blood magic? And even so, would he be even more powerful if he did?

2) About the old gods of the Tevinter Imperium, they were seven dragon like creatures, correct? But were they alive and free during the height of the empire or they were already buried? Did the action of storming the Golden City affected them somehow or it was only latter when the Darkspawn found them?

3) What is the precise relationship between a bloodmage and a demon? Can blood magic be used without the involvement of demons or that is its very definition?

I guess that's all...

Ad (1):

There are two main advantages to blood magic: it can be used to create powerful effects without lyrium, and abilities based on the use of lyrium (like templar abilities) can't cut it off. It is not in general more powerful than normal magic, but mind-controlling magic appears to be only possible with blood magic.

 

Ad (2):

Nobody really knows. Unfortunately, the truth about them is shrouded in religious metaphors. All sides apparently agree that they were not physically present at any time in the history of the Imperium and after, before they reappeared as the Archdemons (and even that they are the archdemons is somewhat doubtful). It is even possible that they don't exist and that their cult is a remnant of ancient times "when dragons ruled the sky" (Yavana). Currently, I think the most likely hypothesis is that they (a) exist, (c ) are "special dragons" in the way somniari are special humans or elves, and © are indeed the archdemons. If they were really imprisoned, I think it is likely that the ancient Dreamers (before the Imperium) were responsible, and that the Old Gods manipulated the magisters into trying to reach the Golden City in order to free themselves. It is also possible they aren't really intelligent at all and this is all a story made up by their cult.

 

Ad (3):

There is no necessary connection between blood magic and demons. The problem is that knowledge of blood magic is suppressed, so that it is *typically* learned from demons. The definition of "blood magic" is broadly "magic powered by blood", with "blood" used in both the literal sense and the symbolic sense for "life" or "life force". 

[Kesterr]

1) Is blood magic inherently more powerful than any other kind of magic? It seems every mage gets a boost of power if they resort to it, but can a mage be the most powerful without blood magic? And even so, would he be even more powerful if he did?

2) About the old gods of the Tevinter Imperium, they were seven dragon like creatures, correct? But were they alive and free during the height of the empire or they were already buried? Did the action of storming the Golden City affected them somehow or it was only latter when the Darkspawn found them?

3) What is the precise relationship between a bloodmage and a demon? Can blood magic be used without the involvement of demons or that is its very definition?

I guess that's all...

 

 

Apologies for the really long post.

 

 

1. Blood Magic has 3 elements.

 

  -  it can strengthen ordinary spells using blood as a power source (as I assume lyrium would strengthen them)

  -  it can cast spells using blood instead of lyrium using blood as a power source

  -  it can do spells only blood magic can cause e.g. mind control.

 

So I gather in essence it can do special spells, and uses blood to replace lyrium

 

I guess it is stronger if a mage has no lyrium, otherwise it also grants the use of spells that are otherwise unusable.

 

In the sense it lets you do more, it is more powerful, but it comes with a price, your blood, or others.

 

 

 

2. Ok, this is the big one with the most contention and really should have a thread of its own.

 

Yes they were seven dragon like creatures - this we sort of know because when they are awakened by Darkspawn they are dragon like. 

 

According to the Chantry they were alive but not free, during the reign of Tevinter as they were trapped underground. However they were able to dream, and thus enter the fade, and this is how they communicated to the Magisters. For me the question is why were they underground? Were they trapped by the Maker or something else. (Chantry teaches they used to be free, and then convinced humans to worship them, and the Maker punished them for it by trapping them underground) - was it the maker, or some other being that did it? Are they the evil Gods from the elven pantheon who were trapped away from the world. 

 

Great conspiracy theories here, again think it should have its own thread.

 

The Old Gods taught them blood magic according to the founder of the Imperium and encouraged them to enter the Golden City according to Corypheus. I take the currently cannon idea that it was golden, they expected it to be golden but when they got there their presence turned it black. 

 

There is some debate about whether it was always black due to Corypheus (the high priest of Dumat) saying to Hawk (while delirious and thinking he is talking to Dumat):

"The light. We sought the golden light. You offered... the power of the gods themselves. But it was... black... corrupt. Darkness... ever since. How long?"

 

I mean I take this to mean it was golden. When you saw it in the fade it was golden. But by entering it became black, and has been ever since, but others disagree. 

 

Again, this debate could really use its own thread.

 

 

 

3. Demon's know blood magic, how or why, we don't know (which when you think about it is really odd, since they don't have bodies, and thus no blood).

 

They offer to teach it to mages in exchange for something. Given the Chantry's prohibition on it, there are not many sources for learning about it beyond deamons, but there are some and it is possible. I assume in Tevinter there are books on it. In that sense it is a school of magic like any other.

[Herr Uhl]

I think so, The only way the Tevinter magisters were able to enter the Golden City, was through blood sacrifices. I think  blood and life force energy is more potent than lyrium, explaining why its so effective.

 

Remember that large scale death has been proven to weaken the veil, something that seems like it'd be desirable when one wants to traverse it. And even then, they used an obscene amount of lyrium as well. I don't think that blood magic is a more potent source than lyrium, but it is a lot more cost effective if you're working in a slave economy.

[The Baconer]

4) Could it theoretically be possible, through magic or the aid of spirits, to perform a Psycho Crusher?

[KainD]

1) Is blood magic inherently more powerful than any other kind of magic? It seems every mage gets a boost of power if they resort to it, but can a mage be the most powerful without blood magic? And even so, would he be even more powerful if he did?

2) About the old gods of the Tevinter Imperium, they were seven dragon like creatures, correct? But were they alive and free during the height of the empire or they were already buried? Did the action of storming the Golden City affected them somehow or it was only latter when the Darkspawn found them?

3) What is the precise relationship between a bloodmage and a demon? Can blood magic be used without the involvement of demons or that is its very definition?

I guess that's all..

 

1) Blood magic is more potent. When it comes to power it's all about resource and blood gives more resource than the mana an average mage has. Yes if you were a mage of grotesque power with immense mana pool you could cast more powerful spells without blood magic. 

 

2) During the height of the empire they were in the fade calling for magisters to ''free'' them into the mortal world. 

 

3) Related to 1) - blood magic is more potent, it takes great power to tear the veil apart. Yes blood magic can easily be used without the involvement of demons. 

[ReadingRambo220]

I'm not positive about the lore, but blood magic is a blast in the game! For years I avoided being a blood mage on my mage characters, but during a recent replay spree I tried it out at my brothers insistence and now I'm fully corrupted

[SNascimento]

This is what I gathered.

So about the 1st quetion. Blood magic doesn't make the mage more powerful, but it gives him a instant source of power that will likely make his spells more powerful. It's like the engine remains the same, yet there is a plentiful and better (?) fuel to feed it.

The Old Gods seem to be really mysterious.

And the third question... no demons needed, yet they are a "free" and instant source of knowledge...

Thanks for the answers.