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[Cainhurst Crow]

In dragon age 2 there seemed to be no shortage of extremes to be found in all the npc's and companions all thrusting their own ideas and agendas forward and polarizing everyone around them. And no better can that effect be demonstrated then right here on bioware's own forum, where ideological arguments are so common they've become a norm of the site at this point over the always classic and bloody debate between more liberty, or more security.

 

But what me, and I think many people like me, want to see come about isn't another extreme to push this duality perspective, but a moderate. More specifically a moderate who won't mind coming out and saying to the other extremist characters "That's stupid. Why would anyone think something like that?" and actually push their point of being in the middle ground and on compromising ideas forward, not just fade quietly into the background on these discussions like varric and aveline did. I can't help but think of characters like wynne or leiliana coming forward when a lot of the more evil or good or ideologically inclined characters had their say and bringing a more grounded view into the mix, and how whenever they had their moments of extremism, other characters reigned them in as well.

 

So for the love of the non-extremists bioware, please consider having a more proactive character to champion the banner of neutrality and cooperativeness. Being for a moderate position doesn't mean you have to be a doormat to everyone else.

[Dio Demon]

So Varric is chopped Nug liver, he didn't really give two craps about any of the conflicts only his friends.

[Natashina]

That was well said OP.  As another moderate, I agree.

 

Thanks for starting this thread, but be careful.  You know how many of these end up.

 

[Aremce]

Yes, I agree with the OP. I would love to see some characters who are willing to fight for a middle ground and stand up to their extremist counterparts. We need more people who can see both sides and have the will and the strength to find a better solution, even if it means to displease those both sides alike.

 

Also, I really hope that our own characters will be able to do so ...

[meganbytes]

yesss. i actually enjoyed the extremeness in the 2nd one just because it made for some interesting characters and choices and dialogue. some pretty intense moments. but that was DA2 and i think DAI should defiantly have more moderateness. i feel like my inquisitor ideally would represent that. i feel like its their job to kind of settle everything and sort through every nick and cranny to find the best solution. i feel like vivenne (idk how to spell her name yet lmao) being a mage but also pro-circle could make her more moderate maybe. and cassandra, although pretty pissed off at a mage blowing up the chantry dosnt seem like a totally unreasonable person. and varric is pretty moderate. idk when i think of inquisitor i think of someone there to solve problems and i feel like that involves making consensus. altho it defiantly does not have to be. depends on however u play the game. but i personally think having a moderate ear to listen would be helpful when trying to make good, giant decisions. 

[Bob from Accounting]

Let's not assume 'extreme' automatically entails being insane and stupid now. In Dragon Age or in real life.

 

After all, the character of the hero is good taken to an 'extreme.' Compassion, honor, and integrity in the 'extreme.'

[Cainhurst Crow]

So Varric is chopped Nug liver, he didn't really give two craps about any of the conflicts only his friends.

 

No offense but varric never seemed to give a damn about his friends views or had any opinions on them, just about whether there was or was not money to be made, and if not, then why they were even doing this.

[TheKomandorShepard]

To be honest i hope for companion that will say "i don't give a crap about them chose what is more beneficial" and thats how s/he see conflicts in game...

[KR96]

Yeah I would like to have a somewhat more moderate and modest character in their as well. Although you'll always be dealing with large egos if you're about to work with some of the best warriors/mages/rogues Thedas has to offer, I'd like to have a character that didn't really go into the extreme with their behaviour, but would just be average on some aspects. But then again, it could very well be that my Inquisitor turns out to be that character. 

[Evindell]

No offense but varric never seemed to give a damn about his friends views or had any opinions on them, just about whether there was or was not money to be made, and if not, then why they were even doing this.

To be fair, I think Varric did care; that's why he never said anything. He realized there was no winning a debate between such extremes, so he stayed out of it.

 

And Varric was made simply to be your one constant. He's the only companion--I believe--that can't have "crisis points", or whatever they're called.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

To be honest i hope for companion that will say "i don't give a crap about them chose what is more beneficial" and thats how s/he see conflicts in game...

So a Morrigan type of character?

[TheKomandorShepard]

So a Morrigan type of character?

 

Well not entirely because morrigan was supporting hurting peoples even if that wasn't benefical or was harming for our goals so in practice morrigan was supporting di***/evil options for sake it being di***/evil option and every attempt helping someone even if that was just for profit (unless that helping was making someone life miserable) ended spaming with her disapproval. 

[Natashina]

Ah, I was wondering when you'd show up.  Good morning, Sir Komander.  I hope you slept well.

 

 

To be honest i hope for companion that will say "i don't give a crap about them chose what is more beneficial" and thats how s/he see conflicts in game...

 

That reminds me a lot of Sten, to be honest.  That kind of character I would welcome a return of. 

[darkchief10]

Yes we've seen the worst of each faction, now i want to see the best, and maybe give me a solution that doesn't involve completely anihilating one faction. Rannoch did this best IMO.

[Natashina]

I almost forgot.  For extra reading among the moderates, take a look at this thread by Ieldra.

 

A request for less extreme plot choices.

[TheKomandorShepard]

 

Ah, I was wondering when you'd show up.  Good morning, Sir Komander.  I hope you slept well.

 

 

 

That reminds me a lot of Sten, to be honest.  That kind of character I would welcome a return of. 

 

 

nope sadly but used to that

 

Sten to be honest he didn't fit to that role as well he was talking about qun too much as well he is against defense of redcliff even if this is profitable allow us reach arl eamon and we will have support when dealing with unedads also his demands to face archdemon and his darkspawn unprepared without army.

[Natashina]

I think Sten so far is the most moderate of all the Qunari I've run into this far overall.  He seems to fit closer to your description than Morrigan does.  He talked about the Qun some, but honestly not as much as you may (mis) remember.  I never felt like he was trying to convert my Warden, only trying to understand a non-Qun mindset.  He wasn't crazed or fanatical quite like the Arishok.  He was far from perfect, and I'm not going to excuse some of the murder he did on those farmers.  However, for the experience I had with him as a companion, he was one of the most balanced so far.  His main concern was the Blight, and the regaining of his honor and "soul" (his sword,) and in a pretty straightforward way.

[Star fury]

Mediocrity is boring, I'd rather have insane fanatics from both sides. Besides, Varric and Isabela already expressed distaste or non-chalance towards mage-templar conflict in DA2.

[TheKomandorShepard]

I think Sten so far is the most moderate of all the Qunari I've run into this far overall.  He seems to fit closer to your description than Morrigan does.  He talked about the Qun some, but honestly not as much as you may (mis) remember.  I never felt like he was trying to convert my Warden, only trying to understand a non-Qun mindset.  He wasn't crazed or fanatical quite like the Arishok.  He was far from perfect, and I'm not going to excuse some of the murder he did on those farmers.  However, for the experience I had with him as a companion, he was one of the most balanced so far.  His main concern was the Blight, and the regaining of his honor and "soul" (his sword,) and in a pretty straightforward way.

 

Well i would put him closer to pragmatic than morrigan (it isn't hard as she was stupid evil) but still he was very blinded by qun and many of his opinions were far from pragmatic some even suicidal so it was hard to argue with him what is benefical like in haven (unless you have high approval but still he disagree).As far zevran fits best to that role among companions and even he still have emotional in some cases like dales , elves or mages.I would like someone like bishop from nwn 2 or sarevok from bg...

[Xilizhra]

Let's not assume 'extreme' automatically entails being insane and stupid now. In Dragon Age or in real life.

 

After all, the character of the hero is good taken to an 'extreme.' Compassion, honor, and integrity in the 'extreme.'

There is that, yes.

 

I'd say that Merrill was moderate enough, for instance. Along with Isabela. Really, the only extremists we got were Anders and Fenris, and not even Anders that much until the very end.

[Natashina]

Eh, I'll agree to disagree about Anders.  However, you are correct about Isabela, Merrill and as someone else pointed out, Varric.

[renfrees]

There is that, yes.

 

I'd say that Merrill was moderate enough, for instance. Along with Isabela. Really, the only extremists we got were Anders and Fenris, and not even Anders that much until the very end.

Yea, Anders in "All that remains" - 'I cannot believe a mage did this!' Where's the option to hang him near Quentin?

[Xilizhra]

Eh, I'll agree to disagree about Anders.  However, you are correct about Isabela, Merrill and as someone else pointed out, Varric.

Anders was talkative, but none of his views were too far outside the reasonable position that mages shouldn't be controlled by the templars. If something made it extremist, it was the lengths he was willing to go to to achieve that goal, not the goal itself.

 

 

Yea, Anders in "All that remains" - 'I cannot believe a mage did this!' Where's the option to hang him near Quentin?

I always take him there and have never gotten that dialogue.

[Norsky]

DA2 was special in the sense that it focused mainly on one big political issue - which all the companions had to weigh in on at several points - but I honestly can't say that I think the ratio of "extreme" characters were larger in DA2 than in Origins.

 

 

I always take him there and have never gotten that dialogue.

 

If you click on him after Leandra's killed, he'll tell you that he can't believe any mage would do such a thing.