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[Master Warder Z_]

Not actually a Paragon choice, it only occupied that slot.

 

Although rewriting the geth does damage the Rannoch peace process.

 

Rewriting the Geth heretics was a paragon option?

 

Da Heck.

[BlueMagitek]

Rewriting the Geth heretics was a paragon option?

 

Da Heck.

ME 2 was a bit weird in that regard.  Despite the ramifications, generally reserving life = Paragon, taking it = Renegade.

[Hellion Rex]

Rewriting the Geth heretics was a paragon option?

 

Da Heck.

As opposed to destroying them? Yeah, it was a Paragon option.

[Master Warder Z_]

ME 2 was a bit weird in that regard.  Despite the ramifications, generally reserving life = Paragon, taking it = Renegade.

 

Glad there isn't a system in place to judge morality in DA most of the time.

[Master Warder Z_]

As opposed to destroying them? Yeah, it was a Paragon option.

 

Subverting the will of sentient creatures, mass brain washing and to top it off strengthening a possible enemy down the line?

 

It doesn't seem Paragon at all.

[Hellion Rex]

Subverting the will of sentient creatures, mass brain washing and to top it off strengthening a possible enemy down the line?

 

It doesn't seem Paragon at all.

Depends on what you consider "sentient" along with a whole lot of other things.

[Xilizhra]

Subverting the will of sentient creatures, mass brain washing and to top it off strengthening a possible enemy down the line?

 

It doesn't seem Paragon at all.

While I'm glad you acknowledge that Renegade is generally tyrannical and self-destructive, this choice is presented as opposed to simply killing them all.

[Master Warder Z_]

While I'm glad you acknowledge that Renegade is generally tyrannical and self-destructive, this choice is presented as opposed to simply killing them all.

 

I don't recall acknowledging either of those things, In fact i'd argue Paragon fits the bill over renegade.

 

Killing them in my eye is both more strategic in the long run and humane.

 

Plus it basically kills the possibility of a resurgence in Geth Heretics.

 

 

Depends on what you consider "sentient" along with a whole lot of other things.

 

I guess.

[Xilizhra]

Moving things along back to the non-tangential point, I would argue that, say, Fiona and Justinia are both moderates, as compared to the extremes exemplified by Lambert and Danarius.

[AresKeith]

Moving things along back to the non-tangential point, I would argue that, say, Fiona and Justinia are both moderates, as compared to the extremes exemplified by Lambert and Danarius.

 

Fiona is nowhere near moderate

[Master Warder Z_]

Moving things along back to the non-tangential point, I would argue that, say, Fiona and Justinia are both moderates, as compared to the extremes exemplified by Lambert and Danarius.

 

Did you just label that nutter elf a moderate?

 

lol no

[Master Warder Z_]

Fiona is nowhere near moderate

 

^.^

 

I agree.

[Xilizhra]

Fiona is nowhere near moderate

Justinia and Fiona want justice and welfare for as many people as they can manage, within their respective worldviews.

 

Lambert and Danarius only want power.

 

That's where I think the biggest dividing line is, between those who want only their own groups to do well, and those who demand that they have institutional power over others.

[Master Warder Z_]

Justinia and Fiona want justice and welfare for as many people as they can manage, within their respective worldviews.

 

Lambert and Danarius only want power.

 

That's where I think the biggest dividing line is, between those who want only their own groups to do well, and those who demand that they have institutional power over others.

 

And one could make a fairly successful agrument that Lambert only wants to prevent a rebirth of the Imperium in Thedas from his own world view, personal standing and power likely would be secondary to that goal.

 

While on the other hand you have the Grand Enchanter with her taint rotted brain joining the loony fraternity out the gate and getting the college of clumberland closed due to her lunacy.

 

Also we don't know very much of the Magister, He could actually be a patriot for his nation for all we know.

 

Point of it is, Pointing at one character and declaring them to be a moderate when compared to others especially when we don't know much about these people beyond what has been revealed at this point is entirely subjective.

[dragonflight288]

Former Grey Warden who's no longer tainted, you mean, so there is no taint rotted brain, or at least not as tainted as Duncan's, whereas Lambert has a lyrium addled one. 

[Xilizhra]

And one could make a fairly successful agrument that Lambert only wants to prevent a rebirth of the Imperium in Thedas from his own world view, personal standing and power likely would be secondary to that goal.

 

While on the other hand you have the Grand Enchanter with her taint rotted brain joining the loony fraternity out the gate and getting the college of clumberland closed due to her lunacy.

 

Also we don't know very much of the Magister, He could actually be a patriot for his nation for all we know.

 

Point of it is, Pointing at one character and declaring them to be a moderate when compared to others especially when we don't know much about these people beyond what has been revealed at this point is entirely subjective.

Well, I couldn't quite say that Anders was, because while his views are moderate, his means tended toward the extreme at the end.

Still, "moderate" does not mean "spineless milquetoast."

[Master Warder Z_]

Former Grey Warden who's no longer tainted, you mean, so there is no taint rotted brain, or at least not as tainted as Duncan's, whereas Lambert has a lyrium addled one. 

 

Entirely debatable considering that you have had Wardens that lasted thirty plus before their callings game, however she was lingering in that moronic order in the mess of the Calling AND a Blight, Point being.

 

Taint rotted brain.

 

There is no cure for an organism afflicted by the taint, You might be able to keep going with it and become one of those abominations that the Wardens in the calling turned into, but there is no cure for it.

[Master Warder Z_]

Well, I couldn't quite say that Anders was, because while his views are moderate, his means tended toward the extreme at the end.

Still, "moderate" does not mean "spineless milquetoast."

 

It doesn't no i grant you.

[LobselVith8]

In the Legacy DLC Anders expresses disbelief that in the Chantry teaching of how the Golden City was Blackened.  He thought it was all propaganda used as an excuse to oppress mages.
 
He ends up extremely troubled when it was revealed that Corypheus was in fact a Tevinter magister to helped storm the Golden City.  Lending at least some credence to the Chantry's version of events
 
In addition, my fully rivaled Anders was horrified at what he had done after blowing up the Chantry.  And even more so, what happened to Justice: "I turned my friend into a demon!"
 
 In the end, he begged for death before he lost control again.

Anders agreed with the Chantry fable of the Golden City in Awakening and vanilla Dragon Age II. He even argues with Merrill because she doesn't share the cultural and religious views of the Chantry when it comes to spirits. I didn't see the point in Anders' heavy-handed dialogue shift in Legacy.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I know there's a line where he talks about the magisters breaching the Golden City if Hawke gives him the Tevinter Chantry amulet, but Is there any dialogue in Awakening where Anders talks about the origin of the darkspawn?

[LobselVith8]

I know there's a line where he talks about the magisters breaching the Golden City if Hawke gives him the Tevinter Chantry amulet, but Is there any dialogue in Awakening where Anders talks about the origin of the darkspawn?

Yes, there is. It's why the out of character dialogue in Legacy is so jarring.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Uh OK. Then what was it?

 

That's really what I was asking.

[LobselVith8]

Uh OK. Then what was it?

That's really what I was asking.

Apologies, I'm currently on my phone. I can look for the dialogue for you tomorrow and post it. It's been discussed in the past when this discrepancy in characterization was addressed.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

If you want to use that argument, you can say the same to Christian...but in religious context, it is a matter of interpretation...and belief

My point is Qintina, just because the spirits were the first children of the Maker does not mean they are the equivalent of Christianity's Angels. In fact, Justice in Awakening doesn't even fully believe in the Maker, or rather doesn't know what to think on the subject.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Moving things along back to the non-tangential point, I would argue that, say, Fiona and Justinia are both moderates, as compared to the extremes exemplified by Lambert and Danarius.

As a Fiona fan, even I admit she was not a moderate.