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[Iakus]

Moving things along back to the non-tangential point, I would argue that, say, Fiona and Justinia are both moderates, as compared to the extremes exemplified by Lambert and Danarius.

 

Fiona is only moderate in comparison to Vengeance abominations that blow up chantries.  She and Lambert appear to be two sides of the same coin.

 

I don't know if we can properly classify Justina yet.  She appears to be open to reforming the Chantry's stance on mages.  Given her interest in finding alternatives to Tranquility, and her actions in Asunder.  But thus far we have not seen her vocalize a firm stance yet.  She may be moderate.  She may be solidly pro-mage.  Heck, she might be pushed into going pro-templar by all the violence.

[Xilizhra]

Fiona is only moderate in comparison to Vengeance abominations that blow up chantries.  She and Lambert appear to be two sides of the same coin.

 

I don't know if we can properly classify Justina yet.  She appears to be open to reforming the Chantry's stance on mages.  Given her interest in finding alternatives to Tranquility, and her actions in Asunder.  But thus far we have not seen her vocalize a firm stance yet.  She may be moderate.  She may be solidly pro-mage.  Heck, she might be pushed into going pro-templar by all the violence.

Not in ten thousand years. Lambert's other side is Danarius, not Fiona.

[AresKeith]

Not in ten thousand years. Lambert's other side is Danarius, not Fiona.

 

Well Fiona isn't the other side of Justina

[Xilizhra]

Well Fiona isn't the other side of Justina

I don't see them as overly different.

[Steelcan]

One day I will read this book and be able to argue it

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Well Fiona isn't the other side of Justina

Hmm, could Fiona's Templar equivalent possibly be Cullen?

 

I mean, both see their side and cause as in the right and that they need to do what they do and yet still have some respect for the other side, even if it is the respect of enemies.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Hmm, could Fiona's Templar equivalent possibly be Cullen?

 

I mean, both see their side and cause as in the right and that they need to do what they do and yet still have some respect for the other side, even if it is the respect of enemies.

 

I'd more define him as gregor then cullen, but either example would probably work out fine.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

We need someone like Cullen among the mages.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I'd more define him as gregor then cullen, but either example would probably work out fine.

Ah, I didn't think about Gregor. Yeah, that also works really well. 

 

Though we all know the best other side of the coin for Gregor is Irving.

[KainD]

We need someone like Cullen among the mages.

 

Cullen 2.0: Listen my fellow mages, we are not people like them! 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

My point is what it represent, either "children" here means literal children or not is a matter of interpretation and belief.

 

The character Anders represent is either Christ or religious lunatic. That is my point

I'm going to go with the latter for Anders, though in truth the Chantry is just another layer to the Mage situation. We could have had the Templars and Circle just be an international organization with no religious ties and Anders would still do the same thing.

[TheKomandorShepard]

We need someone like Cullen among the mages.

 

oh gosh only not anders

[Hanako Ikezawa]

oh gosh only not anders

Cullen and Anders aren't the same. I say that ironically the Templar version of Anders was Meredith. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

Cullen and Anders aren't the same. I say that ironically the Templar version of Anders was Meredith. 

 

Fanatical ,extremistic , whining for most time , crazy oh and both are painted as tormented bad boy

[Cainhurst Crow]

Fanatical ,extremistic , whining for most time , crazy oh and both are painted as tormented bad boy

 

Sounds a bit like fenris as well tbh. XD Only fenris didn't try to blow up the mage circle and could admit when he was wrong.

[Grieving Natashina]

Heya, been playing Diablo 3.

 

<catches up on thread>

 

@Qis

 

Oh, Qistina.  Oh no.

 

 

Okay, how the hell did we get to "Anders is fantasy Christ?"  He's not like the second coming of the Prophet.  He was a bit of a nutjob, with some religious beliefs (he never struck me as extremely hardcore about it) and was more dedicated to the mages on a secular level.

 

 You have been told by one of the lead designers of the freaking game that Anders is not a version of Christ.  That they were not going with a direct religious message about Anders.   It's right there in black and white and you're ignoring it.  For some reason.

 

Oh and did you forget about the polytheistic elves?  Yeah, there is no Christian analogy there.  You can find some similarities between the Creators with the Nordic and Celtic pantheons.  That doesn't fit into your thoughts that the devs meant a Christian-type analogy.

 

You have any idea how lucky you are?  The devs and writers actually come on here to answer questions.  Most AAA game companies don't do that. Show some respect, Qis.  Stop putting words and intentions into the DA Team's mouth.  Let it go.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Sounds a bit like fenris as well tbh. XD Only fenris didn't try to blow up the mage circle and could admit when he was wrong.

 

Well because fenris was anders with opposing views just change side that he whines about.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Yeah I'd say that Meredith and Anders were the opposite versions of eachother, at least by the end. It was mainly the madness of the two of them that doomed Kirkwall in the end. Yet both thought they were doing what was right for Thedas.

 

I get the sense that BSN tends not to like moderates. I haven't read Asunder but from what I gathered of the characters, Fiona and Lambert seemed like the were thematically and functionally supposed to be mirrors on the mage/templar conflict and Justina, Wynne and that one templar that Wynne saved were supposed to be moderates. But most of the people talking about the book seem to gravitate to either Fiona and Adrian or Lambert as being the true heroes of that story.

 

Amusingly I've seen the Divine considered either one of "the enemy" or otherwise part of the problem by both pro-mage and pro-templar people in BSN.

 

I guess it's not really a surprise. Over the years, I've even seen people defend both Alrik and Tahrone in DA 2 threads.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Well im sorry that i don't see woman that let walking bombs escape and caused world war as hero

[KaiserShep]

Sounds a bit like fenris as well tbh. XD Only fenris didn't try to blow up the mage circle and could admit when he was wrong.

 

Heck and you can convince the broody mofo to even fight alongside the mages. It's like he's a glutton for irony.

[LobselVith8]

I buy into the Bioware line that the Maker has fallen silent in the world.
 
That said i buy into that god more then the elven Pantheon.
 
At least there is some credence to a Maker like figure exists out there somewhere.
 
There isn't anything for the elves beyond rumor and speculation.

There's no evidence that proves the Maker exists; it's all a matter of faith.

My own preference is for the Creators. I think the elven pantheon is interesting, the view on magic as a gift is positive, and it's a religion that's persevered despite centuries of slavery and hundreds of years of being criminalized under Chantry law.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Yeah I'd say that Meredith and Anders were the opposite versions of eachother, at least by the end. It was mainly the madness of the two of them that doomed Kirkwall in the end. Yet both thought they were doing what was right for Thedas.

 

I get the sense that BSN tends not to like moderates. I haven't read Asunder but from what I gathered of the characters, Fiona and Lambert seemed like the were thematically and functionally supposed to be mirrors on the mage/templar conflict and Justina, Wynne and that one templar that Wynne saved were supposed to be moderates. But most of the people talking about the book seem to gravitate to either Fiona and Adrian or Lambert as being the true heroes of that story.

 

Amusingly I've seen the Divine considered either one of "the enemy" or otherwise part of the problem by both pro-mage and pro-templar people in BSN.

 

I guess it's not really a surprise. Over the years, I've even seen people defend both Alrik and Tahrone in DA 2 threads.

Exactly.

 

And I think people tend to talk about the more extreme characters because there is more to debate about. If someone is on the middle road, nobody can really say anything. Oh, and that Templar's name was Evangeline.

[The Elder King]

There's no evidence that proves the Maker exists; it's all a matter of faith.
My own preference is for the Creators. I think the elven pantheon is interesting, the view on magic as a gift is positive, and it's a religion that's persevered despite centuries of slavery and hundreds of years of being criminalized under Chantry law.

My own preferences is that both elven and Andrastian religion are different versions of the same thing. With the Maker being Fen'Harel and the Old Gods being the Forgotten Ones.

[Ieldra]

Yeah I'd say that Meredith and Anders were the opposite versions of eachother, at least by the end. It was mainly the madness of the two of them that doomed Kirkwall in the end. Yet both thought they were doing what was right for Thedas.

 

I get the sense that BSN tends not to like moderates. I haven't read Asunder but from what I gathered of the characters, Fiona and Lambert seemed like the were thematically and functionally supposed to be mirrors on the mage/templar conflict and Justina, Wynne and that one templar that Wynne saved were supposed to be moderates. But most of the people talking about the book seem to gravitate to either Fiona and Adrian or Lambert as being the true heroes of that story.

 

Amusingly I've seen the Divine considered either one of "the enemy" or otherwise part of the problem by both pro-mage and pro-templar people in BSN.

 

I guess it's not really a surprise. Over the years, I've even seen people defend both Alrik and Tahrone in DA 2 threads.

I don't know. I don't think Fiona and Lambert get all that much support, as opposed to Evangeline. The forum extremists on both sides may feel the moderates are traitors to "their" factions, but while they're certainly loud, they're very noticeably not the majority.

 

Also, extreme positions in-game tend to increase forum factionalization, which I consider a bad thing if taken to the extreme. Just look at the ME3 ending debates. The choices were designed for controversy, and the result is that I dislike an in-game option more for the forum people it's associated with than for what it actually does. I like to have reasonable discussion, not overemotional BS ruining everything. Sure, in the end that's not the developers' fault, but they get their share of the blame by designing options the way they do.  

[Grieving Natashina]

What is this i don't even.............

I do owe you an apology.  I had been reading the last few pages and I noticed that you went back and forth with Allen about Anders.  You had been trying to belabor the opinion that Anders was supposed to mean Jesus.  It came off to me that it was confrontational with him and that you were trying to tell Allen he was wrong.

 

There's a chance I misinterpreted your posts.  I came off really harsh and I'm sorry.

 

 Just please please please leave real life religion out of Dragon Age discussions, unless the topic is about religion in Dragon Age.

 

 

 I'll handle myself with more tact next time, Qistina.