To be honest, I really wanted a 'no make-up' option. Whenever I made a female warden, I could choose the COLOUR of her make-up, but I could never make her make-up free. Which bugged me when I was pretty much anyone besides the human and dwarf nobles. The idea that such characters as Flemeth, Morrigan, Merrill or Meredith would bother to apply make-up seems deeply silly to me. And historically inaccurate. Then again, I am a pedant.
Ho hum, if only I knew how to mod...
To be honest, I really wanted a 'no make-up' option. Whenever I made a female warden, I could choose the COLOUR of her make-up, but I could never make her make-up free. Which bugged me when I was pretty much anyone besides the human and dwarf nobles. The idea that such characters as Flemeth, Morrigan, Merrill or Meredith would bother to apply make-up seems deeply silly to me. And historically inaccurate. Then again, I am a pedant.
Ho hum, if only I knew how to mod...
Um, can't you just set the intensity to zero?
I don't see why the option shouldn't be there. There'd be immature people who complain about it, but overall no harm done. I would have killed for some eye makeup on my male Hawke.
On that note, default male Quizzy should be covered in makeup. This..... this needs to happen.
As a guy who wears eyeliner at times, I approve.
As long as the reverse is applied: Facial Hair for Females.
Well, there's the whole thing where women are genetically incapable (aside from mutations) of growing lush beards and mustaches. Nice try though.
As long as females get some kind of eyeliner, sure, I don't care.
Women are genetically capable of itWell, there's the whole thing where women are genetically incapable (aside from mutations) of growing lush beards and mustaches. Nice try though.
Do you have an argument to restrict beards by gender? I don't. Why would I want the game to tell the players that they cannot play a certain way?
I'm gonna go with "Biology" for your first question.
And "Because games have to have limits" for the second. You can't side with the archdemon in DA:O. That's "telling players they cannot play a certain way". Because that's not built into the game. To create a game of infinite possible playstyles and options, you would need infinite resources and an infinite developement timeline. A line must be drawn somewhere.
Well, there's the whole thing where women are genetically incapable (aside from mutations) of growing lush beards and mustaches. Nice try though.
You don't have to use the option. But that's no reason to keep it from others.
I'm gonna go with "Biology" for your first question.
And "Because games have to have limits" for the second. You can't side with the archdemon in DA:O. That's "telling players they cannot play a certain way". Because that's not built into the game. To create a game of infinite possible playstyles and options, you would need infinite resources and an infinite developement timeline. A line must be drawn somewhere.
But then make that argument. Never just assume that things should be done a certain way - if you have a reason, then present that reason. You're making a zot-based argument. And that's fine. Beards seem quite a bit more resource intensive than makeup.
But low-cost options should be included, basically all the time. There is no right way to play the game.
To be honest, I really wanted a 'no make-up' option. Whenever I made a female warden, I could choose the COLOUR of her make-up, but I could never make her make-up free. Which bugged me when I was pretty much anyone besides the human and dwarf nobles. The idea that such characters as Flemeth, Morrigan, Merrill or Meredith would bother to apply make-up seems deeply silly to me. And historically inaccurate. Then again, I am a pedant.
Ho hum, if only I knew how to mod...
More or less historically inaccurate than women having equal rights, gay people not being killed for being gay, oh and the whole dragons/magic/etc...?
When I actually got around to my male playthoughs it took me a while to notice what was missing in the creator and that weirded me out that you couldn't have it as an option for males so yeah I think it would be cool, lowest Intensity would be none just like tattoos.
But low-cost options should be included, basically all the time. There is no right way to play the game.
I'd agree if that said, "no-cost options". But if you include every low-cost option possible, that adds up to a lot. It stops being low-cost. Again, decisions must be made for what to cut, even for "low-cost" options.
I would probably not use this for my male characters, but for those who would, then definitely!!
I am a fan of offering as much choice as possible. I will admit that I felt my male Arisen's eyes were a bit plain in Dragon's Dogma, so I added some subtle eyeliner.
Why not?
EDIT: I'm also a big fan of not restricting certain hairstyles to one sex.
I would greatly enjoy makeup for if/when I eventually do a male run.
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Yeah, I kinda got close eventually, but they still kinda look like they've hard a rough night's sleep. It's workable, but it's a shame about the NPCs.
More or less historically inaccurate than women having equal rights, gay people not being killed for being gay, oh and the whole dragons/magic/etc...?
I take your point, but there's little logic accounting for what pushes your buttons and what doesn't, I suppose.
Sure. Why not? Skyrim did it and no one was upset about that.
Maybe I won't use it, but I probably will, because guys could use some make-up to look nicer too.
It doesn't even have to be anything extreme, just some mild reds, browns, white and black.
Though if someone wants to make their man all up to the point of looking like a lady, that's fine too. To be honest, I've tried to make an effeminate guy in DAO before, I failed due to the lack of smoother textures, soft facial features and make-up. 'T was a sad day for me.
While we're at it, I'd also like to support longer hair for men and letting women have more short hair and just as gross scars as men.
Yeah, go the SR way! All characters can wear all clothes, have makeup and facial hair! Choose your voice as male or female! WHOOO
Seriously though, I don't see much harm in this. As far as I know, it is just a texture overlay, so it is just a matter of enabling it to both sexes. Unless the texture map for the male heads are scaled differently from the female heads - then it becomes extra work that probably doesn't have a big enough market to be worth it.
I am more than open to options for everyone regardless if I will use them or not. So yes!
I also would like to say that it's nice to see that the majority of people responding to this thread feel this way as well.
I'd agree if that said, "no-cost options". But if you include every low-cost option possible, that adds up to a lot. It stops being low-cost. Again, decisions must be made for what to cut, even for "low-cost" options.
I'd just not have different heads by gender. So every shape is available for every character.
Right now, they have to build one customisation system for males and another for females. If they just had one for everybody, the added cost would come from hiding options, not including them.
Neat idea. Personally I probably wouldn't on my male PC, but yeah, men in RL do wear makeup. I personally would like to see more of a gradient in the makeup. It's almost like it's on or off, and it's very difficult to put minimal makeup on. I don't mind being slightly "girly" with my fem PCs, but they are in combat! So I don't like a ton of makeup and find most options to be too much. But uber tiny gradients would be nice, and I could adjust my male PCs to have say, a slightly more reddish lip (because many men do have ruddy lips) or a more ruddy complexion.
It'd be neat to see a more detailed slider of bone/tissue structure. As long as it's generally biologically possible. And more hair and maybe some more gender-neutral hair. Although the hair thing would be more of a lore thing (would male inquisitor in that world have pigtails?). Else chuck lore and make 1 hair slider for both genders, going hog-wild but making sure there are the same number of varied choices for what is "perceived" to be F and M hair. Long manly locks on male player? 
I only want this if I get a scene where my character is looking at himself in the mirror calling himself a pretty little girl while smudging the makeup across his face.
This does not really sound like a very good idea.
I have a thing for subtle black eyeliner on men when their facial structure supports it.
For example:
Why not.
I'd just not have different heads by gender. So every shape is available for every character.
Right now, they have to build one customisation system for males and another for females. If they just had one for everybody, the added cost would come from hiding options, not including them.
I'm actually for this idea completely. All options in CC should be available to every gender.
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