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[cap and gown]

Can you recruit Dr. Michel if Dr. Chakwas died in ME2?

[FeralEwok]

Yes you can recruit her.

[themikefest]

Yes . You need to have high enough paragon/renegade to get her onboard

 

You can also recruit her if Dr.Chakwas is alive. Just send Chakwas to Hackett and then recruit Michel.

[enayasoul]

I don't see why not.  Dr. Chakwas really laid it on thick wanting to come back to the Normandy.  I once said no just to hear her response. 

[PresidentVorchaMasterBaits]

my renegade shep has dr. michel now because he sent chakwas to her death with no escort in the suicide mission. he was a jerk.

[Han Shot First]

How is Dr. Michel compared to Chakwas?

 

I've yet to play through the game without Chakwas on the Normandy.

[ImaginaryMatter]

How is Dr. Michel compared to Chakwas?

 

I've yet to play through the game without Chakwas on the Normandy.

 

Same here. I almost did it once but I relented when Chakwas insisted. She feels as much a part of the ship as Joker or Space Hamster.

[SporkFu]

Dr. Michel is kinda cool. She doesn't have as much to say as Dr. Chakwas, but it's worth a try once. She's got a great voice, of course.

[Excella Gionne]

Dr. Chakwas all of the time! Dr. Chocolates gives you Medi-Gel efficiency provided if you performed her Citadel side mission. Medi-Gel efficiency allows you to use one Med twice before expending it. Very useful on harder difficulties. Dr. Michel gives you Medi-Gel capacity upgrade(which is permanent upgraxe)which allows you to carry up to two more medi-gels for a max capacity of 10 Medi-Gels. Its best to recruit Dr. Michel at least once so that you can keep this upgrade. Combine this with Chakwas's Med-Gel Efficiency will make you very hard to kill.

[themikefest]

You're able to have a drink with Chakwas(if you choose to) whereas with Michel you don't

[cap and gown]

Dr. Michel does have a funny line about Mordin/Wiks "hair, horns, pokey things, whatever you call them."

[Anubis722]

I recommend at least one playthrought with dr.michel, only downside with dr.michel is she doesn't say much compare to dr.chakwas.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

I prefer Michel to Chakwas. I like changing up the atmosphere a bit (I don't believe in any of that "as much part of the ship as so and so" BS), I don't approve of Chakwas additional commentary to an already hamfisted damnation of Cerberus (which I completely and utterly disagree with), and she has a more practical use to the war effort that would be better maximized somewhere else. Plus, Michel was distinctly lacking from ME2, and she is eye candy. I have her hook up with Joker post war.

[TheMyron]

If only it were possible to take both doctors on the ship...

[CrutchCricket]

I prefer Michel to Chakwas. I like changing up the atmosphere a bit (I don't believe in any of that "as much part of the ship as so and so" BS), I don't approve of Chakwas additional commentary to an already hamfisted damnation of Cerberus (which I completely and utterly disagree with), and she has a more practical use to the war effort that would be better maximized somewhere else. Plus, Michel was distinctly lacking from ME2, and she is eye candy. I have her hook up with Joker post war.

Chakwas said it best, actually. "We used them. Took their best people. Took their best ship." A sentiment I agree with wholeheartedly and only wish I could apply across the board, with everybody. And the gamer poop of those lines... I haven't laughed this hard since "we'll bang, ok"

 

The only Chakwas line I dislike is the whole first name thing. That's bullshit. Y u no acknowledge what I typed in biower? Shepard has a first name damn it! Obviously the voice actor isn't going to say every possible name. But that just reminds me of the plaque thing where they could've implemented the name, or at least the initial.

 

As for eye candy, meh. She's a generic model. And Chakwas isn't bad herself. GMILF. There I said it.

[ImaginaryMatter]

(I don't believe in any of that "as much part of the ship as so and so" BS)

 

Haha, well ouch.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Chakwas said it best, actually. "We used them. Took their best people. Took their best ship." A sentiment I agree with wholeheartedly and only wish I could apply across the board, with everybody. And the gamer poop of those lines... I haven't laughed this hard since "we'll bang, ok"

 

The only Chakwas line I dislike is the whole first name thing. That's bullshit. Y u no acknowledge what I typed in biower? Shepard has a first name damn it! Obviously the voice actor isn't going to say every possible name. But that just reminds me of the plaque thing where they could've implemented the name, or at least the initial.

 

As for eye candy, meh. She's a generic model. And Chakwas isn't bad herself. GMILF. There I said it.

 

I disagree with that notion. Yeah we did use them. Yeah, we took some of their best people. And yeah, we took their best ship.

 

But not because I wanted to. I would've willingly stayed with them and sided with them, if they hadn't gotten indoctrinated. It's only out of necessity that I stop them instead of looking at Sanctuary, give TIM a thumbs up and say "Keep up the good work". I'd like to have an organization like Cerberus around, doing the things everyone else is to ashamed or afraid of doing provided it does something beneficial.

 

I don't really care about the name thing. Yeah, my Shepard has a name. It's John. But he's pretty much transcended both name and rank imo. Similar to someone like Revan, or the Doctor, Commander Shepard is all the name he needs. It's more a title than anything. I feel his name is as symbolic as it is indicative of his identity. Personally, I feel that his name undercuts the mans legend. He's a mythic, god-like figure now. He's above names. 

 

Chakwas is pretty much a generic model as well. For the most part, all the characters are. Prior to ME3, Default Femshep was a generic model.

[CrutchCricket]

I disagree with that notion. Yeah we did use them. Yeah, we took some of their best people. And yeah, we took their best ship.
 
But not because I wanted to. I would've willingly stayed with them and sided with them, if they hadn't gotten indoctrinated. It's only out of necessity that I stop them instead of looking at Sanctuary, give TIM a thumbs up and say "Keep up the good work". I'd like to have an organization like Cerberus around, doing the things everyone else is to ashamed or afraid of doing provided it does something beneficial.

 
Plenty of things wrong with Cerberus, even before lolindoctrination. I agree we need an organization to protect and advance human interests, even or especially when it's not squeaky clean. Cerberus falls short however. A new organization will be needed. The first step is to not paste their damn logo on everything. The second is to stop imitating HYDRA and similar comic book terrorist/mad science enclaves.
 

I don't really care about the name thing. Yeah, my Shepard has a name. It's John. But he's pretty much transcended both name and rank imo. Similar to someone like Revan, or the Doctor, Commander Shepard is all the name he needs. It's more a title than anything. I feel his name is as symbolic as it is indicative of his identity. Personally, I feel that his name undercuts the mans legend. He's a mythic, god-like figure now. He's above names. 
 

 

After the war, maybe. Hence "the Shepard". Before the war, he's a symbol of the resistance and the spearhead in the fight and all that, fine. But he's also just a dude. And not necessarily one that's cool with people worshipping him. You want to be inspired by Shepard? Fine. But don't idealize him. Take everything into account, the good and the bad, the extraordiary and the mundane.

 

Yes Shepard saved the Citadel and stopped the Collectors. But (in my case anyway) he's also the Butcher of Torfan, he sacrificed the council, shoots people in cold-blood and will downright **** you up if you get in his way. He's faced down incomprehensible machines and lived and maintained his sanity to tell about it, but he also loves his space hamster, is forgetful when it comes to feeding his fish and is shockingly bad at chess.

 

He's Commander Shepard, the living legend, the first human Spectre and all that. But (in my case) he's also Jim-Bob, a guy who just does what needs to be done simply because no one else is stepping up.

[ImaginaryMatter]

 
Plenty of things wrong with Cerberus, even before lolindoctrination. I agree we need an organization to protect and advance human interests, even or especially when it's not squeaky clean. Cerberus falls short however. A new organization will be needed. The first step is to not paste their damn logo on everything. The second is to stop imitating HYDRA and similar comic book terrorist/mad science enclaves.

 

I have the weirdest love-hate relationship with Cerberus. I never disagreed with the idea that Cerberus represented, doing whatever is necessary; however, Cerberus was the wrong vehicle to deliver that mentality (did they ever have a single endeavor that didn't either kill humans or result in the death of their personnel and stuff?). I think it crossed the line between pragmatism and reckless abandon way too many times. Despite that, I always think TIM is ultimately for the betterment of humanity and I always hand the Collector Base over to him thinking he could put it to good use (oh, boy was I wrong) even though I b****ed and moaned about it; even my most Paragon of Shepards think he's a snake, but a useful one.

 

Which is why their demotion from well intentioned extremists in ME2 to lolindoctrination in ME3 was met by me with disappointment. Besides further adding to the Paragon bias, it took an interesting dynamic of the series and reduced it to the shallow mook brigade and... space ninjas *shivers*.

[congokong]

I have the weirdest love-hate relationship with Cerberus. I never disagreed with the idea that Cerberus represented, doing whatever is necessary; however, Cerberus was the wrong vehicle to deliver that mentality (did they ever have a single endeavor that didn't either kill humans or result in the death of their personnel and stuff?). I think it crossed the line between pragmatism and reckless abandon way too many times. Despite that, I always think TIM is ultimately for the betterment of humanity and I always hand the Collector Base over to him thinking he could put it to good use (oh, boy was I wrong) even though I b****ed and moaned about it; even my most Paragon of Shepards think he's a snake, but a useful one.

 

Which is why their demotion from well intentioned extremists in ME2 to lolindoctrination in ME3 was met by me with disappointment. Besides further adding to the Paragon bias, it took an interesting dynamic of the series and reduced it to the shallow mook brigade and... space ninjas *shivers*.

I didn't have much against Cerberus until ME3. They were heroes in ME2. They have an ends justify the means mentality which can be very dangerous and/or very useful. It proved useful in ME2 because things like reviving Shepard, stealing the SR1 Normandy plans, using Cerberus spies for intel, laying traps for the Collectors and Shepard, etc. all allowed Shepard to stop the Collectors ASAP. They got the job done. My Shepard admires that.

 

Except my "paragon all big decisions for instant-win" playthroughs I always give the Collector base to Cerberus. In my heart when role-playing that situation I think it's the right thing to do. I do believe that power would be dangerous for anyone to have without a reaper threat but there was a reaper threat and Cerberus earned a little trust regarding fighting the reapers. Too bad that backfires in ME3.

 

I know we only see the worst of Cerberus in ME1 with their experiments and fighting Shepard but Shepard did break into their facilities with guns blazing, right?

 

As for TIM, he's very upfront about his desires; the advancement/security of humanity. Fair enough. Every race at the end of the day looks out for themselves. Shepard looks out for the galaxy which includes humanity and in ME2 that meant Shepard and Cerberus had the same goals. Sure, TIM has designs on personal power but that doesn't differ from many with great influence.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

 
Plenty of things wrong with Cerberus, even before lolindoctrination. I agree we need an organization to protect and advance human interests, even or especially when it's not squeaky clean. Cerberus falls short however. A new organization will be needed. The first step is to not paste their damn logo on everything. The second is to stop imitating HYDRA and similar comic book terrorist/mad science enclaves.
 

 

After the war, maybe. Hence "the Shepard". Before the war, he's a symbol of the resistance and the spearhead in the fight and all that, fine. But he's also just a dude. And not necessarily one that's cool with people worshipping him. You want to be inspired by Shepard? Fine. But don't idealize him. Take everything into account, the good and the bad, the extraordiary and the mundane.

 

Yes Shepard saved the Citadel and stopped the Collectors. But (in my case anyway) he's also the Butcher of Torfan, he sacrificed the council, shoots people in cold-blood and will downright **** you up if you get in his way. He's faced down incomprehensible machines and lived and maintained his sanity to tell about it, but he also loves his space hamster, is forgetful when it comes to feeding his fish and is shockingly bad at chess.

 

He's Commander Shepard, the living legend, the first human Spectre and all that. But (in my case) he's also Jim-Bob, a guy who just does what needs to be done simply because no one else is stepping up.

 

I don't really have much of an issue with the logo being everywhere. That doesn't bother me as does you. I take it that prior to ME3, it was a rare logo that nearly everyone in the galaxy was fairly ignorant to what it symbolized. I agree that in many cases, the Normandy being registered as a Cerberus ship was pretty stupid - but this falls onto Shepard as to why he didn't have the transponders changed to a private vessel or what not. Yeah, maybe it isn't the greatest idea to have the Normandy made to register and conform to a certain identification signature. But it was ultimately on the command of the ship itself for it not being changed. As for the mad science/terrorism schpeel, I don't mind it there, especially since it didn't seem to truly come up until later in ME3. Everything else seemed to make it clear that Cerberus was practically untraceable and unknown to the galaxy at large. The methodology itself wasn't entirely economical in its overall results, but I don't have any moral or ethical qualms about them. They just needed to be conducted with more security and more of a cautious approach.

 

I never made a statement like what you're ascribing to me. So that's kind of a moot point. My Shepard was a sole survivor who's focus was on survival. He has no guilt over being the only survivor. He was a bit rattled by the Thresher Maws constantly whittling away at him, but he kept himself rock solid and prevailed. He doesn't really want to be worshipped either, mainly because he (similar to Revan in some aspects as I characterize him) became largely apathetic and disgusted by what he saw as grovelling and weak idiots begging him to fix their problems. And I don't just mean the Council or the alliance, I mean the everyday civilian in the street. He detests them and thinks them unworthy of his efforts.

 

I characterize him as the unfettered, unbound, amoral (he has his own concept of morality, but its a lot different than normative values of good and evil), relatively sociopathic, hyper-lethal, practical killer. He'll spare a terrorist who's killed millions of innocents if it means gaining an advantage and ally, while simultaneously letting the innocents burn with nothing more than a slight feeling of superficial remorse. He'll even kill them himself it achieves his own goals. He's willing to sacrifice anyone and anything to achieve his goals (Save for Miranda and Oriana, who are part of his goals in and of themselves to him). Yeah, he has his flaws. I never stipulated that he didn't. But simply put, he's a being as Aria describes him in my game. One minute he's justifying her actions himself, the next minute judging her. She doesn't understand him, and it unnerves her, as much as anything can unnerve Aria. And when she asks him to explain himself, he tells her that he's going to leave her guessing, to which she says that he is the most dangerous being she's ever met. 

[Nightwriter]

If only it were possible to take both doctors on the ship...

 

I remember when Mordin and Chakwas were both on the ship in ME2 I wondered about jurisdiction. I initially thought Chakwas would cover the duties of general ship physician while Mordin confined himself to Collector research and examination, but Mordin seemed to give the crew exams and checkups and the like.

[CrutchCricket]

I wouldn't trust TIM to make me a cup of coffee. He'd spike it with red sand to test the reactions of caffeine with latent biotics or some such insanity.

 

One time I said keep the base, purely For Science (I was actually testing some dialogue mechanics) and when I saw TIM looking at it and giving the most evil ****** grin this side of Palpatine, everything they did in ME3 suddenly made perfect sense. Like seriously, how could not see that coming?

 

The value of the base is not lost on me. Hell the value of the space is even more. Between it and all the other resources you've aquired by the end of ME3 you can start your own damn Reaper resistance and to hell with the Alliance and their scapegoating. But if it's a choice between destroying it and giving it to TIM McShiftyEyes I blow it sky-high every time.

 

As for Cerberus in general, 90% of its non-douchebag members are already working for me, the rest can burn. When all this is over I can build a better secret organization for human advancement. With blackjack, and hookers.

[CrutchCricket]

I don't really have much of an issue with the logo being everywhere. That doesn't bother me as does you. I take it that prior to ME3, it was a rare logo that nearly everyone in the galaxy was fairly ignorant to what it symbolized. I agree that in many cases, the Normandy being registered as a Cerberus ship was pretty stupid - but this falls onto Shepard as to why he didn't have the transponders changed to a private vessel or what not. Yeah, maybe it isn't the greatest idea to have the Normandy made to register and conform to a certain identification signature. But it was ultimately on the command of the ship itself for it not being changed. As for the mad science/terrorism schpeel, I don't mind it there, especially since it didn't seem to truly come up until later in ME3. Everything else seemed to make it clear that Cerberus was practically untraceable and unknown to the galaxy at large. The methodology itself wasn't entirely economical in its overall results, but I don't have any moral or ethical qualms about them. They just needed to be conducted with more security and more of a cautious approach.

 
They were considered terrorists and blacklisted way before ME3. So they're far from being as covert as they should be. I can't recall if the logo shows up in ME1 but from ME2 onwards it's more shamelessly branded than Nascar.

I stand by my guiding principles for the new organization though. My critisms are also mostly practical but in a nutshell I want more MIB, less Hydra.
 

I never made a statement like what you're ascribing to me. So that's kind of a moot point. My Shepard was a sole survivor who's focus was on survival. He has no guilt over being the only survivor. He was a bit rattled by the Thresher Maws constantly whittling away at him, but he kept himself rock solid and prevailed. He doesn't really want to be worshipped either, mainly because he (similar to Revan in some aspects as I characterize him) became largely apathetic and disgusted by what he saw as grovelling and weak idiots begging him to fix their problems. And I don't just mean the Council or the alliance, I mean the everyday civilian in the street. He detests them and thinks them unworthy of his efforts.
 
I characterize him as the unfettered, unbound, amoral (he has his own concept of morality, but its a lot different than normative values of good and evil), relatively sociopathic, hyper-lethal, practical killer. He'll spare a terrorist who's killed millions of innocents if it means gaining an advantage and ally, while simultaneously letting the innocents burn with nothing more than a slight feeling of superficial remorse. He'll even kill them himself it achieves his own goals. He's willing to sacrifice anyone and anything to achieve his goals (Save for Miranda and Oriana, who are part of his goals in and of themselves to him). Yeah, he has his flaws. I never stipulated that he didn't. But simply put, he's a being as Aria describes him in my game. One minute he's justifying her actions himself, the next minute judging her. She doesn't understand him, and it unnerves her, as much as anything can unnerve Aria. And when she asks him to explain himself, he tells her that he's going to leave her guessing, to which she says that he is the most dangerous being she's ever met.

 

I'm OK with all of this, my point is those ****** civilians are only going to get worse about you solving their problems if you allow (or encourage them) to idealize you as being flawless and larger than life. Thus if I were allowed to respond to Chakwas I would insist she dispense with her version of hero worship and just use my name. Because otherwise, that's the first step to actual worship.

 

And yeah I enjoyed Aria admitting I was the most dangerous being she's ever met. Twice. I just wish we could've been more forceful when pulling her off Petrovski. "Maybe we should think about this" is not what my Shepard would say once he's reached a decision.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

I think we disagree on the nature of TIM more than anything. I legit think he's a knight templar who really does want to do good for humanity. You don't. I'd sooner trust him with the base than anyone else, simply because they'd either not have the resources to utilize it effectively, or they'd have some bullshit moral problem with it. I only destroy it because I view it as an artifact similar to the One Ring of Sauron: It was never meant to work for us, and it doesn't matter how much to the contrary I'd like to use it, it's going to be spiked with some kind of Reaper controlling mechanism that indoctrinates. 

 

I knew what TIM's goals for the station were pretty much right off the bat, and to be honest, he had my 120% support, but with one catch: As I said, it can't be controlled. The technology is too unpredictable, and it's trying to get something for nothing. I'd take anyone in Cerberus, especially the 'douchebags', because I can trust them to do the job. I'm not wanting them to sing kumbaya and have us be friends and allow them over for dinner on Wednesdays. I'm saying, the people capable of doing what they do in Cerberus are the same people who are willing to do what they do to fight the Reapers. As long as it doesn't subvert my own efforts (which I'd make quite clear), I'd basically be telling them to go nuts. As long as it has a practical benefit that has a stronger utility and doesn't take away more resources than it produces, then I'm fine with it.

 

I don't give a damn about trust for people like that. Because the one thing I can trust from them is that they'll do anything to keep themselves ahead. And as long as they realize that the Reapers getting ahead means a negative for themselves, then I'll give them what they need and wish them the best. 

 

I don't think we're going to agree on this very much.

 

As for the coffee, I'd let someone else try it. If it works, congrats to TIM. If it failed, I'd tell him to try a different recipe.