Hi,
Carried out a quick search and didn't find anything like this. Apologies if something similar exists.
This is thread is for the discussion of Martial Arts and Combat Sports events,
My Martial Arts Background:
I trained 'fake Karate' in the late 90s/early 00s, Tai Chi during high school and currently train Muay Thai. I also have a little bit of self-taught Judo, Wrestling and Brazilian jiu-jitsu.
Anyone watching Kim vs Hathaway this morning/afternoon?
I got a book for Tae Kwon Do on my birthday, but suffice it to say, you really need hands-on help to learn it properly. The author even mentioned that it was meant as a supplemental guide, and not a do-it-yourself book. I know a little bit, but I'm very far from a pro.
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Do you make the distinction between martial arts, self defense and hand-to-hand combat systems?
I only had a couple years of Judo from back when I was young, a couple moves I learned when I attended several different schools for a school project (it's amazing how forthcoming the instructors are with sharing "higher tier" moves, tips and tricks when you're just being a nice fellow, some of the things I was told is potentionally lethal after all), add a bit of simple anatomy knowledge and sporadic knowledge about body reflexes and instincts and seasoned with a healthy dose of common sense.
On short, in a street brawl I'll be the first to run away and if cornered, probably down on the curb and getten beaten to death, but not without making at least one guy crying for momma!
Actually quite surprised there hasn't been a thread for this earlier (at least if my memory serves me correctly).
I'm mostly a boxer, which I have been practicing for about 8 years now. Thinking of going league when I get the chance, but currently that is an impossibility with everything going on in my life right now. Also have some small experience with kick-boxing and Muay Thai, but I found it easier to just sticking to hands and not hands and legs simultaneously (har har).
On short, in a street brawl I'll be the first to run away and if cornered, probably down on the curb and getten beaten to death, but not without making at least one guy crying for momma!
Dat kick in the nuts technique! lol
I got a book for Tae Kwon Do on my birthday, but suffice it to say, you really need hands-on help to learn it properly. The author even mentioned that it was meant as a supplemental guide, and not a do-it-yourself book. I know a little bit, but I'm very far from a pro.
Yeah, for sure. I know of a few Tae Kwon Do kicks which are potentially extremely dangerous. We're talking almost near decapitation upon contact. 
Do you make the distinction between martial arts, self defense and hand-to-hand combat systems?
I only had a couple years of Judo from back when I was young, a couple moves I learned when I attended several different schools for a school project (it's amazing how forthcoming the instructors are with sharing "higher tier" moves, tips and tricks when you're just being a nice fellow, some of the things I was told is potentionally lethal after all), add a bit of simple anatomy knowledge and sporadic knowledge about body reflexes and instincts and seasoned with a healthy dose of common sense.
On short, in a street brawl I'll be the first to run away and if cornered, probably down on the curb and getten beaten to death, but not without making at least one guy crying for momma!
No, sorry?
I'd love to learn Judo. Most fights involve some degree of grabbing and sloppy grappling.
In a street brawl that's probably the best strategy as they are far too unpredictable and terribly dangerous. I was in my first 'actual' fight in January. You know, one where you feel like you're fighting for your life, and it was brutal and horrible.
Actually quite surprised there hasn't been a thread for this earlier (at least if my memory serves me correctly).
I'm mostly a boxer, which I have been practicing for about 8 years now. Thinking of going league when I get the chance, but currently that is an impossibility with everything going on in my life right now. Also have some small experience with kick-boxing and Muay Thai, but I found it easier to just sticking to hands and not hands and legs simultaneously (har har).
I'm a big boxing fan as well. I like to think my hands are fairly good; although a boxer did train at my gym one day and burst my nose.
I didn't have "enough' motivation to learn martial arts and when I wanted to start I had lots of weak points I couldn't start going to MA schools . Despite of this, I'm well exercised and better than average person in the street in fighting. Thanks to the Kung-fu movies and one or two Kung Fu and Karate books I read and trained myself with them.
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What I meant with the distinction is:
Martial Arts: for example Tai Chi, is spiritualized (great focus on the philosophical aspect)
Self defense (and sports): for example Karate or Judo, is regulated (rules, etc.)
Combat systems: for example Krav Maga, Systema or a couple old forms like Dojo Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu, no regulations and focused on pure effectivity (straight up combat systems, no fancy rules or anything showy, just what works, as fast and as solid as possible)
I know a lot of people like to use the term martial arts because it reminds people of action movies "yo, I do martial arts, bro" and believe everything is said with that, when in fact there are huge differences between most forms, mostly on how they are nowadays intended to be practiced.
That said, I find that most people who claim to do martial arts actually have little actual expertise/skill in actual fighting because they do not deal with aggressive or people and even most self defense practitioners have little actual knowledge on just how ugly a real fight can be. When some drunk or god forbid a drugged up guy goes berserk, nothing else but going for jugular is going to save your ass, which is a mentality that is routinely and systematically avoided in most martial arts and self defense courses.
I have visited exactly one proclaimed self defense course that I found worthwhile and the instructor started the course stating "run the hell away and failing that: kick it in the crotch and when he's down kick once or twice more just to be sure" and then proceeded onto grappling basics on how to effectively dislocate or break arms using basic grabs as leverage. This guy knew what he's teaching!
What I meant with the distinction is:
Martial Arts: for example Tai Chi, is spiritualized (great focus on the philosophical aspect)
Self defense (and sports): for example Karate or Judo, is regulated (rules, etc.)
Combat systems: for example Krav Maga, Systema or a couple old forms like Dojo Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu, no regulations and focused on pure effectivity (straight up combat systems, no fancy rules or anything showy, just what works, as fast and as solid as possible)
I know a lot of people like to use the term martial arts because it reminds people of action movies "yo, I do martial arts, bro" and believe everything is said with that, when in fact there are huge differences between most forms, mostly on how they are nowadays intended to be practiced.
That said, I find that most people who claim to do martial arts actually have little actual expertise/skill in actual fighting because they do not deal with aggressive or people and even most self defense practitioners have little actual knowledge on just how ugly a real fight can be. When some drunk or god forbid a drugged up guy goes berserk, nothing else but going for jugular is going to save your ass, which is a mentality that is routinely and systematically avoided in most martial arts and self defense courses.
I have visited exactly one proclaimed self defense course that I found worthwhile and the instructor started the course stating "run the hell away and failing that: kick it in the crotch and when he's down kick once or twice more just to be sure" and then proceeded onto grappling basics on how to effectively dislocate or break arms using basic grabs as leverage. This guy knew what he's teaching!
I see what you're saying now. No, I'd say all three of those fall under Martial Arts. Combat Systems and Self Defense are just marketing ploys. Wrestling, Judo, Muay Thai/Kickboxing, Jiu Jitsu are all traditional Martial Arts and extremely effective in a real-life fighting situation.
Avoiding a fight is normally the best option, but what if you have to fight to protect someone? I had to fight who was taller and heavier than I was, because he was threatening a woman with a knife. Thankfully, my training enabled me to protect myself and other people. I got away with a broken rib, three bites and both my eyes (despite the best efforts of my opponent to gouge them out).
There are techniques which are effective in competition but not so effective in a street fight.
I my self have encountered some situations...in the class it is not the same when at out side...outside i feel scared, my heart pumping, panic, i forgot things i learned because of fear...fortunately i am saved, i don't want to go into detail for it will sound like i am bragging or you guys wont believe me...
It's funny that you should say that because I found the opposite. As I'm going to my gym, in the changing room, I'm always anxious and afraid of getting hurt or embarrassed. The worst is the fear of my gas tank running on empty and having to defend myself against someone who wants to impose his will on me.
In an actual fight it was almost totally instinctual. No time to think, no room for emotion, you just do.
What I meant with the distinction is:
Martial Arts: for example Tai Chi, is spiritualized (great focus on the philosophical aspect)
Self defense (and sports): for example Karate or Judo, is regulated (rules, etc.)
Combat systems: for example Krav Maga, Systema or a couple old forms like Dojo Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu, no regulations and focused on pure effectivity (straight up combat systems, no fancy rules or anything showy, just what works, as fast and as solid as possible)
Eh, the problem with Krav Maga or a lot of "combat systems" is that the techniques they teach are too dangerous to practice in regular sparing, so they don't become ingrained in your muscle memory. I'd like to point out that the US military does not teach Krav Maga, but a modified form of Jiu Jitsu, since it relatively safe to teach soldiers and Marines effective technique that they can practice without risk of severe injury.
I don't know what the correct word to describe...but when that man is in front of me there is like a...terror...striking...my hands start to shake, my heart pumping fast, i am ready but i don't really sure what to do...that feeling is not the same with when i kick my partner in the class...not the same...
And....you are a guy i assume....
Yeah, I'm a guy. Are you a girl? And you've had to fight men?
Eh, the problem with Krav Maga or a lot of "combat systems" is that the techniques they teach are too dangerous to practice in regular sparing, so they don't become ingrained in your muscle memory. I'd like to point out that the US military does not teach Krav Maga, but a modified form of Jiu Jitsu, since it relatively safe to teach soldiers and Marines effective technique that they can practice without risk of severe injury.
And then if you can't practice a technique, simulate it in a fight situation (sparring), it's unlikely that you'll be able to use it effectively in an actual fight. For example, in the fight I was in, a street fight if you will, I was punching the guy's head and face from a dominant position called side control. I made the mistake of attacking his body as he was covering his head, which gave him the valuable seconds he needed to return to his feet. However, before he was fully upright I instinctively clasped my hands behind his neck, jerked his head down and met it with a hard knee. A technique I had practiced hundreds, if not thousands, of times in the gym.
And Silat is a Malaysian Martial Art? Is it anything like Pencak Silat?
But i told you...Muay Thai can't do anything against an opponent who stand straight.....
What do you mean by that? Muay Thai is widely recognised as the most effective and versatile striking Martial Art.
Can't see how standing straight protects you from betting elbowed in the face.
If you study martial arts for beating up people, you are doing it wrong folks.
Used to practice kendo from primary to highschool. Still got shinais/bokkens lying around and half an armour set. Once I was too old for the kid group and not yet old enough for the adult one, I just pretty much phased out. Shame, I really liked it and I miss it sometimes.
Can't see how standing straight protects you from betting elbowed in the face.
Standing straight in front of a good Muay Thai fighter is defnitely not a good idea. I'd be more worried about getting starched with a head kick.
If you study martial arts for beating up people, you are doing it wrong folks.
Well, everyone trains for their own reasons. One person's reasons for training is no better or worse than the next person's.
Muay Thai only effective against opponents who are in stance, because all Muay Thai techniques are against the one who are in stance, it's triangle shaped...
If the training center you joined is REALLY a Muay Thai training center, then you should know this...other wise, you just learned Kick Boxing and your trainer not really a master in Muay Thai...
You can modify a Muay Thai stance, of which there are many, and still execute techniques effectively. See Anderson Silva, Benson Henderson or Donald Cerrone (all mixed martial artists) for examples of this.
Thailand is just north of Malaysia....and there are a lot of Muay Thai training center here...not the westernized version that is Kick Boxing
Yes, but it has spread all over the world because of it's effectiveness. Are you honestly trying to say that Muay Thai would be nullified by you simply standing up straight? How would that protect you from a head kick, body kick, leg kick or plum clinch and knees to oblivion?
Please, explain how standing straight would give you the advantage. The only stance that matters in mine.
Western fighters have been living, training and competing in Thailand for years.
The real Muay Thai fighter or master will NOT risk fighting a stand straight opponent....that is if he/she a real Muay Thai fighter.
But a Kick Boxer like you...well, what can i say
I have duel with Muay Thai practicioners...some of them are just trainee and they do that mistake....i meet with the champion himself, he respect me...i said do not feel shy..i just stand straight. He doing his standard procedure the hanuman dance circling around...then say "no...i can't see any way i can beat you...", then we have chat and he confirmed that Muay Thai is not to against standing straight opponent, but if the opponent is in stance in which fall into the triangle shape then Muay Thai can beat. It is because standing straight close any advantage for Muay Thai to strike in safe way
A real Muay Thai fighter will not take that risk
I'm not a kickboxer. I'm training Muay Thai right now, but I dabble in other styles. I find it hard to believe that a Muay Thai champion circled around you and gave up without even attempting to hit you. How would you have reacted to a front leg calf kick? What would you have done if he grabbed a hold of you?
Muay Thai is so effective because there are excellent techniques you can utilise at kicking range, punching range and clinch range. If you stand up straight you are essentially a human punching bag, are you not?
There must be video evidence of this masterful defensive technique, no?
In the past tradition...there is always something kept from the trainee so they will not overcome the masters...this is true to all Asian martial arts. They only pass this knowledge to the next master they choose
Ah, so you were chosen as the next master of Muay Thai? Okay. 
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