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Débuté par Jordan , mars 01 2014 10:12

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#51
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Posté 03 mars 2014 - 07:23

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Well, if you want to look real fights there's only a little chance because not everyone bring cameras on the road and take videos of someone get robbed or raped or whatever and the victim manage to use martial art against the bad men

 

As far, you can only hear stories, like my stories, and you can only judge yourself.

 

Silat have EVERYTHING, unlike some martial that focus on certain way of fighting, Silat cover everything. From soft to hard, from punching to throwing and locking and grabbing, lowest stance to no stance at all, from disarm to using weapons and also magic

 

Even Bruce Lee studying Silat at the end of his days...and there's a rumor about his death, the real reason about his death that relate to his duel with Silat master....

 

I'm talking about a fight in competition.

 

Silat has everything and yet it's nowhere to be found in modern mixed-martial arts competition.  How strange.  Oh, magic too?

 

Perhaps you should keep those ridiculous rumours to yourself.


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Posté 03 mars 2014 - 07:38

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[...] and also magic

 

 

 

... u wot m8?


#53
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Posté 03 mars 2014 - 08:04

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I don't understand

 

Just a gamer-slang expression of disbelief regarding the "magic" part of your post.


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Posté 03 mars 2014 - 08:33

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I know that western peoples are skeptical about magic :)

 

It's less just being skeptical as much as it is that there's not a single evidence of supernatural occurances like what is commonly referred to as "magic". Thus far every single reported "magic" has been an illusion.

 

I am willing to make a stretch considering most asian cultures have a different concept of what magic is, but on a whole, I regard it as little more than superstition.


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Posté 03 mars 2014 - 08:50

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A show choreography obviously.


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Posté 03 mars 2014 - 08:57

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I don't know if it's choreograph or hoax, but the thing is, there are groups of silat like that here, and it is still practice. I don't ask you to belive it or not, but what word you want to describe such thing in English other than using the word "magic"?

 

Like I had just said, the thing depicted in your linked video would be described as a choreography.

 

Magic to most western cultures is synonimous with the supernatural and there was nothing supernatural about the video.


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Posté 03 mars 2014 - 10:37

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Actually, the one who wear stripe shirt controlling everybody...and push them around

 

Mkay, if that is what you believe to be true.


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Posté 03 mars 2014 - 10:45

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This discussion reminds me of this.

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Posté 03 mars 2014 - 11:38

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I took some Taekwondo when I was little. Had to quit out of it though. Would love to get back to it!


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Posté 04 mars 2014 - 09:30

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Mkay, if that is what you believe to be true.

 

That's so narrowminded. I can shoot lasers out my fingers, it could be the laser pointer I'm carrying, it could be magic. How do you know?


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Posté 04 mars 2014 - 09:47

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That's so narrowminded. I can shoot lasers out my fingers, it could be the laser pointer I'm carrying, it could be magic. How do you know?

 

I already argued my case here. I would appreciate it if you'd actually take your time to read my responses regarding the magic topic instead of branding me narrowminded. And if you can't be arsed doing just that, I hope you enjoy your hypocrisy.


#62
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Posté 04 mars 2014 - 12:47

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If he's fake, why he want to humiliate himself?

 

The thing that is his "magic" don't work doesn't mean he's fake, if he indeed a liar a fake, why he want to humiliate himself in front of audiences and recorded?

 

He probably fooled his students and himself, more importantly, into believing he had supernatural powers.  I expect there are similar sort of things going on in your Silat classes.  Your magical Silat masters would likely meet a similar fate if they fought a Western Martial Artist, such as myself.


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Posté 04 mars 2014 - 01:13

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I don't think anyone was fooled there, just aswell as no one was fooled in the other linked post. What the trounced-by-MMA-fighter Kiai master did beforehand was simply no-contact sparring, meaning he would imitate the actions he would do based on what the students were doing and them would react vice versa. It's a great way to showcase a form without any risk of injury and fairly regularily used as telegraphing and stance practice, where the instructor would react to what an attacking student is telgraphing or how he would attack them with their current stance. Usually it does not come with such exxagerated falling-over yadda-yadda as students would be more encouraged to learn from their openings.

 

It is also a great way to promote the school or show off, because it looks cool when people are emulating a fight with Hollywood-esque flailing about. It makes viewers go "oooooh, that looks awesome!", which would be the entire point if a school wanted to promote itself to attract new students.

 

 

That said and back to my initial point, I am convinced no one can fool others into thinking he could push them around without touching them. The human mind for starters doesn't work like that, either you are being pushed, or someone is ineffectively waving his hands at you and you wonder why the hell he's doing that. Fooling oneself into believing one has some powers like telekinesis or whatever is possible, but usually a phenomenon that's exclusive to isolated cases, as the hard reality of someone not just being blown away with a handwave again makes your brain automatically go "what?".

 

 

 

I simply think those where choreopraphed shows. After all, a good deal of martial art forms do have a penchant for theatrics and some schools downright do theatre to simply make learning certain stances or techniques more fun to practice, so it's not unusual for schools to make little plays which are subsequently showcased on tournaments as a form of entertainment for example.

There are however of course the odd couple of frauds who work together with some people who do such choreographies and claim them to be real just to milk a couple unsuspecting people into paying bucks for recieving training in supernatural martial arts, but in general such black sheep keep to the backyards to avoid being exposed as frauds.


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Posté 04 mars 2014 - 01:20

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I think we're having a lost-in-translation here ...


#65
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Posté 04 mars 2014 - 01:26

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Junior dos Santos and Stipe Miocic will be headlining UFC 173, solid heavyweight fight.

 

Junior will be a strong favourite in this one. It's interesting, because Junior is so good he can very likely beat all the heavyweight fighters without too much trouble, other than the champion Cain Velasquez. Heavyweight seems lacking, maybe Minakov from Bellator might prove a solid addition if he can beat Kongo and signs with the UFC.


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Posté 04 mars 2014 - 01:53

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I've been training Israeli Krav-Maga for 4 years now. I love it :D


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Posté 04 mars 2014 - 02:08

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I've been training Israeli Krav-Maga for 4 years now. I love it :D

 

Four years ... how many sandbags did you wear out in that time?


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Posté 04 mars 2014 - 06:07

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Okay, that's the point where I report people for racism.

 

 

Enjoy your vacation.


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Posté 04 mars 2014 - 07:02

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Is that directed at me or Qistina, as she referenced arrogant westerners stealing her gems?

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Posté 04 mars 2014 - 07:07

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My "racism" was a tongue-in-cheek response to her ridiculous generalisation. I assumed that would have been plainly obvious.

"I'm not racist but..." By the way, have you seen my avatar?

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Posté 05 mars 2014 - 05:37

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Nevada has outlawed TRT and the UFC in general has banned it. TRT is testosterone replacement therapy.

 

Fighters in the UFC currently on TRT: Dan Henderson, Chael Sonnen, Vitor Belfort, Antonio Silva, Todd Duffee, Frank Mir, Nate Marquardt. Probably more that I've forgotten.


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Posté 05 mars 2014 - 06:12

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I've been training Israeli Krav-Maga for 4 years now. I love it :D

 

I did a light spare with an instructor in the defense force back in 2010, it was informal, no point match up.

 

Got to say i enjoyed it immensely, Its rare to find a style that can actually make a tier three MAC user sweat that much, Only other thing that comes to mind as far as personal experience  was going through the Akido Kata's during an interim tournament hosted by a Fugakukai dojo.

 

That said <_< I don't want to actually have to fight an experienced user of Krav Maga outside of a spar, too many unorthodox strike possibilities to negate the grappling advantage of MAC. Its basically what occurred in my light spar, i go for a grapple and ended up with an knee in my gut.

 

Still i liked the experience, its a good thing when you actually have to push yourself to compete with another person, it prevents rust.


#73
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Posté 05 mars 2014 - 08:01

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Traditional arts' give a surprisingly good basis for more strength-based ventures and sparring. Getting to know the movement and getting basic defence reflexes together is the very basis of any martial art in my mind.

 

I used to do traditional Karate. Wasn't too sure how it would benefit me exactly, for a couple of years. After that was really thankful for the new insight it gave on controlling actions and movement, also of sustaining self. That kinda felt like magic at one time.

 

Was really inspired to do streches and splits, so I at one point was more foot-work oriented. Was a neat combination with the smart movement and parrying of karate.

 

So I tried Tae Kwon Do. And boxing. Heck, I tried Kendo and loved the less-sweat more-technique mindset.

 

But in all I have more and more come to appreciate what traditional karate does to a person.

 

I look up to popularizers like Machida. Also, wonderful fights, if you can follow the logic going in to it.


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Posté 05 mars 2014 - 08:03

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Would love to do some jiujitsu some day. Was introduced to the classical variants in Karate' days, but there's so much to do there really, it seems really to be an essential part of actual self-defense.


#75
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Posté 07 mars 2014 - 12:30

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Who the hell does no contact sparring?  That's the craziest thing I've ever heard.  If you want to practice techniques you can hit a bag, pads or shadow box.  The point of sparring is to use your techniques in a simulated fight situation.  Either light sparring with no protection or heavy sparring with optional protection (Shin guards and head gear).

 

That sort of nonsense makes me wonder which Martial Arts Aotearas trains in.


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